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The guitar solo on 777-9311 does not sound like Prince We all know Prince's "coloring" and "phrasing" when it comes to guitar. I'm thinking of how Prince played guitar around that time and I'm thinking of "Bambi". However, that guitar solo on 777-9311 doesn't sound like Prince, at all. People speculated that Prince did everything on the first two albums, but I dispute that.
Specifically, Morris even calls out "Terry", as in Terry Lewis during the bass solo on 777-9311. Does anyone know what the real lineup of musicians was on this album? I may be asking a bit much. Does anyone know if a reporter has ever asked them who really played on their first two albums? | |
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I'm almost confident its him. 
I think there was a discussion about this a while ago. Lemme try'an find it. Because I might be wrong. This http://prince.org/msg/7/262011 [Edited 3/17/08 21:29pm] [Edited 3/17/08 21:29pm] | |
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ToraToraDreams said: I'm almost confident its him.
I think there was a discussion about this a while ago. Lemme try'an find it. Because I might be wrong. This http://prince.org/msg/7/262011 [Edited 3/17/08 21:29pm] [Edited 3/17/08 21:29pm] Thanks ToraToraDreams! "Banished one" and "Blackguitarist" sound like they have some inside info. I, still, wonder, though. That does not sound like Prince, at all. | |
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I went to Jesse Johnson's Myspace page. He had a linked Youtube performance of The Time performing "777...". Terry and Jimmy Jam were, still, with the band, at this point.
I can say, now, for sure that Terry Lewis definitely played all the bass on, at least, "777-9311". That didn't sound like Prince's bass playing anyway. That shit is unreal. Jesse was cutting up during this performance but it didn't sound like the album version guitar solo. I get the feeling with The Time that, like the "Pandemonium" album, the group will get Prince demos and, then, they'll work with that themselves adding to it and spicing it up. | |
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That was Prince playing guitar & bass on 777-9311. Morris called out Terry's name because at the Time they were trying put out the illusion that the band played on the record.
The reason why the guitar solo doesn't sound like something Prince would play, is because Prince is trying to mimic Jesse's playing style. You can ask pretty much anyone, and they'd tell you the same thing. Here's an interview Prince did with Bass Player magazine in 1999 that mentions his work on 777-9311: http://princetext.tripod....ass99.html JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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williamb610 said: Specifically, Morris even calls out "Terry", as in Terry Lewis during the bass solo on 777-9311.
And what does that prove? Only that Morris wanted you to believe it was Terry. It's Prince on bass and Prince on guitar. This is a fact. Ask blackguitaristz if you don't believe me. It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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williamb610 said: I went to Jesse Johnson's Myspace page. He had a linked Youtube performance of The Time performing "777...". Terry and Jimmy Jam were, still, with the band, at this point.
I can say, now, for sure that Terry Lewis definitely played all the bass on, at least, "777-9311". That didn't sound like Prince's bass playing anyway. That shit is unreal. Jesse was cutting up during this performance but it didn't sound like the album version guitar solo. I get the feeling with The Time that, like the "Pandemonium" album, the group will get Prince demos and, then, they'll work with that themselves adding to it and spicing it up. P can imitate another player. That's not impossible. 
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williamb610 said: I went to Jesse Johnson's Myspace page. He had a linked Youtube performance of The Time performing "777...". Terry and Jimmy Jam were, still, with the band, at this point.
I can say, now, for sure that Terry Lewis definitely played all the bass on, at least, "777-9311". That didn't sound like Prince's bass playing anyway. That shit is unreal. Jesse was cutting up during this performance but it didn't sound like the album version guitar solo. I get the feeling with The Time that, like the "Pandemonium" album, the group will get Prince demos and, then, they'll work with that themselves adding to it and spicing it up. U pretty much answered your own question. The solo was P. The bass was P. The whole song was P. If u play guitar and u know P's style, u can easily tell that is P on that solo. It's his runs, it's his vibrato. One of the things that throw off most folks is the fact that P used a whammy bar, which was super rare for him at that time. But that's what Jesse always used, then and now. So that's why P used it. The effects that P used on that solo, a wah and an octive pedal, were what Jesse used on his leads on the first Time tour when they opened for P during Controversy. So P just duplicated Jesse's sound. P was very compettive. He wanted to show that he could burn like Jesse could. That's why when The Time were rehearsing, P walked in after recording the song and tossed a tape of 777 to Jesse and said "Hey, U play a mean guitar." Fucking with him. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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It's all Prince.  | |
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Paris9748430 said: Here's an interview Prince did with Bass Player magazine in 1999 that mentions his work on 777-9311: http://princetext.tripod....ass99.html That was nice to read again, that bassplayer interview ("I ain't slapping in front of the 'let's work' guy"  )
It does worry me that since 1998 Prince has been playing much less bass live than he did before. 1995/1996 he played bass at least on one song every show. Nowadays I can't recall reading about Prince picking it up. My question, doesn't Prince play the bass live anymore? Or at all for that matter? | |
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williamb610 said: I went to Jesse Johnson's Myspace page. He had a linked Youtube performance of The Time performing "777...". Terry and Jimmy Jam were, still, with the band, at this point.
I can say, now, for sure that Terry Lewis definitely played all the bass on, at least, "777-9311". That didn't sound like Prince's bass playing anyway. That shit is unreal. Jesse was cutting up during this performance but it didn't sound like the album version guitar solo. I get the feeling with The Time that, like the "Pandemonium" album, the group will get Prince demos and, then, they'll work with that themselves adding to it and spicing it up. WHAT?? Prince came up with that line, and played it on the record. When Prince showed Terry the bassline, Terry made the Funk Face. It is well known that Prince did play the guitar solo, and that he intentionally played it in a similar style 2 what Jesse might have played. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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blackguitaristz said: williamb610 said: I went to Jesse Johnson's Myspace page. He had a linked Youtube performance of The Time performing "777...". Terry and Jimmy Jam were, still, with the band, at this point.
I can say, now, for sure that Terry Lewis definitely played all the bass on, at least, "777-9311". That didn't sound like Prince's bass playing anyway. That shit is unreal. Jesse was cutting up during this performance but it didn't sound like the album version guitar solo. I get the feeling with The Time that, like the "Pandemonium" album, the group will get Prince demos and, then, they'll work with that themselves adding to it and spicing it up. U pretty much answered your own question. The solo was P. The bass was P. The whole song was P. If u play guitar and u know P's style, u can easily tell that is P on that solo. It's his runs, it's his vibrato. One of the things that throw off most folks is the fact that P used a whammy bar, which was super rare for him at that time. But that's what Jesse always used, then and now. So that's why P used it. The effects that P used on that solo, a wah and an octive pedal, were what Jesse used on his leads on the first Time tour when they opened for P during Controversy. So P just duplicated Jesse's sound. P was very compettive. He wanted to show that he could burn like Jesse could. That's why when The Time were rehearsing, P walked in after recording the song and tossed a tape of 777 to Jesse and said "Hey, U play a mean guitar." Fucking with him. Now THAT's the truth. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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blackguitaristz said: williamb610 said: I went to Jesse Johnson's Myspace page. He had a linked Youtube performance of The Time performing "777...". Terry and Jimmy Jam were, still, with the band, at this point.
I can say, now, for sure that Terry Lewis definitely played all the bass on, at least, "777-9311". That didn't sound like Prince's bass playing anyway. That shit is unreal. Jesse was cutting up during this performance but it didn't sound like the album version guitar solo. I get the feeling with The Time that, like the "Pandemonium" album, the group will get Prince demos and, then, they'll work with that themselves adding to it and spicing it up. U pretty much answered your own question. The solo was P. The bass was P. The whole song was P. If u play guitar and u know P's style, u can easily tell that is P on that solo. It's his runs, it's his vibrato. One of the things that throw off most folks is the fact that P used a whammy bar, which was super rare for him at that time. But that's what Jesse always used, then and now. So that's why P used it. The effects that P used on that solo, a wah and an octive pedal, were what Jesse used on his leads on the first Time tour when they opened for P during Controversy. So P just duplicated Jesse's sound. P was very compettive. He wanted to show that he could burn like Jesse could. That's why when The Time were rehearsing, P walked in after recording the song and tossed a tape of 777 to Jesse and said "Hey, U play a mean guitar." Fucking with him. BG, thanks for setting this straight ... again. I get so tired of folks trying to re-write history.  Maybe I'm just old and cranky.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: blackguitaristz said: U pretty much answered your own question. The solo was P. The bass was P. The whole song was P. If u play guitar and u know P's style, u can easily tell that is P on that solo. It's his runs, it's his vibrato. One of the things that throw off most folks is the fact that P used a whammy bar, which was super rare for him at that time. But that's what Jesse always used, then and now. So that's why P used it. The effects that P used on that solo, a wah and an octive pedal, were what Jesse used on his leads on the first Time tour when they opened for P during Controversy. So P just duplicated Jesse's sound. P was very compettive. He wanted to show that he could burn like Jesse could. That's why when The Time were rehearsing, P walked in after recording the song and tossed a tape of 777 to Jesse and said "Hey, U play a mean guitar." Fucking with him. BG, thanks for setting this straight ... again. I get so tired of folks trying to re-write history. Maybe I'm just old and cranky.Nah...you're just wise and young! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Sander said: Paris9748430 said: Here's an interview Prince did with Bass Player magazine in 1999 that mentions his work on 777-9311: http://princetext.tripod....ass99.html That was nice to read again, that bassplayer interview ("I ain't slapping in front of the 'let's work' guy" )
It does worry me that since 1998 Prince has been playing much less bass live than he did before. 1995/1996 he played bass at least on one song every show. Nowadays I can't recall reading about Prince picking it up. My question, doesn't Prince play the bass live anymore? Or at all for that matter? He played the bass on "The Jam" during the Vanguard Jam in 2005. Don't know about since then. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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prince has picked up the bass during black sweat live man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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After reading that article from Bassplayer, I stand corrected, on the bass playing on "777...". Damn. I'm impressed. He didn't mention the guitar solo, though. I wish he had. | |
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Prince plays bass pretty good but he is no Nick Rhodes "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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Genesia said: He played the bass on "The Jam" during the Vanguard Jam in 2005. Don't know about since then. He did a nice bass workout at the Indig02 on 6th Sep 2007 "Sheeeeeeeeit" | |
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wickyb said: Genesia said: He played the bass on "The Jam" during the Vanguard Jam in 2005. Don't know about since then. He did a nice bass workout at the Indig02 on 6th Sep 2007 Really? Do you remember which song its was? I'll listen for it!  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Sander said: Paris9748430 said: Here's an interview Prince did with Bass Player magazine in 1999 that mentions his work on 777-9311: http://princetext.tripod....ass99.html That was nice to read again, that bassplayer interview ("I ain't slapping in front of the 'let's work' guy" )
It does worry me that since 1998 Prince has been playing much less bass live than he did before. 1995/1996 he played bass at least on one song every show. Nowadays I can't recall reading about Prince picking it up. My question, doesn't Prince play the bass live anymore? Or at all for that matter? Yes, he still does and it is a REAL treat!! In Vegas he whipped it out on Forever In My Life and I was in HEAVEN!!! It was the highlight of the main show for me. I was in ther front and watching his hands was worth every penny. He also played it during the London shows. He did a mean intro on Black Sweat. Also, he played on some Musicology shows. I LOVE seeing P on bass - if you can't tell. 
Updated - Wow, thanks for the BP interview. Great, fun read. I had stopped my subscription back then and missed this issue and the Rhonda issue. I renewed and since they have a new editor, I LOVE the mag again. They've really gotten more diverse in the bass players that they feature now. [Edited 3/18/08 14:03pm] perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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bellanoche said: Sander said: That was nice to read again, that bassplayer interview ("I ain't slapping in front of the 'let's work' guy" )
It does worry me that since 1998 Prince has been playing much less bass live than he did before. 1995/1996 he played bass at least on one song every show. Nowadays I can't recall reading about Prince picking it up. My question, doesn't Prince play the bass live anymore? Or at all for that matter? Yes, he still does and it is a REAL treat!! In Vegas he whipped it out on Forever In My Life and I was in HEAVEN!!! It was the highlight of the main show for me. I was in ther front and watching his hands was worth every penny. He also played it during the London shows. He did a mean intro on Black Sweat. Also, he played on some Musicology shows. I LOVE seeing P on bass - if you can't tell.  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: bellanoche said: Yes, he still does and it is a REAL treat!! In Vegas he whipped it out on Forever In My Life and I was in HEAVEN!!! It was the highlight of the main show for me. I was in ther front and watching his hands was worth every penny. He also played it during the London shows. He did a mean intro on Black Sweat. Also, he played on some Musicology shows. I LOVE seeing P on bass - if you can't tell. Genesia, I could have passed out. He KILLED that intro. It was really too much. I was sad when he handed the bass off. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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bellanoche said: Genesia said: Genesia, I could have passed out. He KILLED that intro. It was really too much. I was sad when he handed the bass off. Ummm...you haven't seen Blazing Saddles, have you? It was the phrase "whipped it out" that I was at. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: bellanoche said: Genesia, I could have passed out. He KILLED that intro. It was really too much. I was sad when he handed the bass off. Ummm...you haven't seen Blazing Saddles, have you? It was the phrase "whipped it out" that I was at. That's what I thought...but I didn't want to say anything.  | |
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wickyb said: Genesia said: He played the bass on "The Jam" during the Vanguard Jam in 2005. Don't know about since then. He did a nice bass workout at the Indig02 on 6th Sep 2007 I don't think i'm going mad when I think he played bass at the main shows too ?? Specifically remember him slapping the bass on the night that joey one shoe from the black eyed peas showed up ???? | |
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Genesia said: bellanoche said: Genesia, I could have passed out. He KILLED that intro. It was really too much. I was sad when he handed the bass off. Ummm...you haven't seen Blazing Saddles, have you? It was the phrase "whipped it out" that I was at. oh no, missed the Blazing Saddles reference. Yes, I have seen that movies, a few times I might add. But Prince's bass playing live always does it for me! I LOVE it!!perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said: Prince plays bass pretty good but he is no Nick Rhodes
Isn't that the keyboard guy from Duran Duran? | |
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DerekH said: OnlyNDaUsa said: Prince plays bass pretty good but he is no Nick Rhodes
Isn't that the keyboard guy from Duran Duran? Yeah, I think he meant John Taylor. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: DerekH said: Isn't that the keyboard guy from Duran Duran? Yeah, I think he meant John Taylor. Yeah - he aint no high bass slapper like the guy from level 42 either Now that guy could pluck the 4 string good and proppa | |
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