LaLaLAHeHEHE said:

JW's teach what it in the Bible. Jesus is God's son, but is not God in human form. Therefore, not part of a trinity.

Free child u prob know more than me on the JW religion so excuse me if i offended u at all! I just know from experince that JW do no believe in the deity of Jesus ie that Jesus was not God in human form and in my opinion (and im not trying 2 offend any1s beliefs!) that is biblically wrong, Jesus is God and was God in fleshand he is very much part of the Trinity but im not trying 2 dogmatise any1 ok so 4give me if it seems that way!

Most JW will not answer any questions about their religion because they are not allowed to question it themselves. It is a cult that turned into a religion. They do not believe in Jesus. If they do they believe he is The Angel Gabriel.The founder of JW was an occultist that incorporated his beliefs into the religion. JW have tried to play down that fact. They do not vote, Will not serve in the military and if I remember right they at one time did not allow members to recieve blood or transplants.This is not putting them down but the sign of a cult or sect is you can't get the truth from anyone in the group.

childofthedawn said,

Free child u prob know more than me on the JW religion so excuse me if i offended u at all! I just know from experince that JW do no believe in the deity of Jesus ie that Jesus was not God in human form and in my opinion (and im not trying 2 offend any1s beliefs!) that is biblically wrong, Jesus is God and was God in fleshand he is very much part of the Trinity but im not trying 2 dogmatise any1 ok so 4give me if it seems that way!
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If Jesus is God, Then who is Jehova. The name that came up it many Bibles still to this day.

childofthedawn said:[quote]Fascinating topic and something which is up 4 a lot of healthy debate. My thoughts on the matter are that Prince is definetly influenced by the JW belief system but also that Prince was brought up Christian.

Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians.

queen627 said:[quote]Most JW will not answer any questions about their religion because they are not allowed to question it themselves. It is a cult that turned into a religion. They do not believe in Jesus.

Jehovah's Witnesses most certainly believe in Jesus Christ. To state otherwise is blatantly untrue.

They believe that Jesus is the son of God and Jehovah's Witnesses follow all of his teachings as written in the Holy Bible. Jesus plays a hugely prominent role in the Witness faith. The Watchtower society have even published a book about Jesus entitled 'The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived'.

Jehovah's Witnesses however, do not accept that Jesus was God or that Jesus and God are intwined in a trinitarian arrangement.

The Bible does not advocate or even mention the word 'Trinity'. In the holy scriptures Jesus is always mentioned in distinct and separate terms from God. Even Jesus himself refers to the Father as separate.


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Mr7 said:[quote]

queen627 said:

Your argument is flawed: you tend to spell 'separate' as "seperate".

And that's sinning against the English language.


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My argument is so 'flawed' that you attack me not on the related subject, but on a simple spelling mistake.

If I had a profile picture which closely resembled a Thunderbirds puppet, I'd be inclined to keep my petty observations to myself.

Your argument is flawed, you are a grinning, perma-tanned muppet.

Mr 7 i respect ur opinion sir but i gotta correct u on one issue. God himself calls Jesus God, its in Hebrews (ill get u the verse if u want). Its a part talking of Jesus on the cross and God himself saying O God, My God...that was God calling Jesus his God. There can b no doubt that JW r not Christians in a scriptual sense, the basic of all christianity is 2 accept Jesus as both man and God. 2 deny his deity is biblically wrong. Jesus was a man but he was God in flesh. He was God but he had 2 come and live and die as a man in order 2 redeem us all. He died on that cross as a man but he is and always will b God. I know the bible doesnt mention trinity in so many words but it always refers 2 God the Father, Son and Holy spirit. When we where created we where made in the image of God, in the epistle of John (either 1,2,3) He writes that man is a triune being ie he is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body. So u can see we r 3 part being just like God because we r made in his image. Sorry this isnt very deep because i dont have time 2 go in2 the nuts and bolts of it and nor do i wish 2 offend ne1 who is JW or any other religion. By the way the question of who is Jehova? Jehova is the oldest name of God mentioned in the bible, God actually has 7 redemptive names and further more Jehova is the only word in the Jewish language which can b usued in both Male and Female terms...its a long debate folks but hopefull i make some sorta sense, if i dont 4 give me 4 rambling
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http://interoz.com/egypt/atenwor.htm

Want to know what Aton/Aten is? Read.

If somebody can make sense of the text feel free to fill me in.

I will say this much. You have to remember Prince likes to play with words. Yet, in this case, reread the Ways of the Pharoh. Prince has had a strong interest in Egyptian history for quite sometime. Thus, having read this definition of Aten, I am really beginning to consider we do not worshio the same God.

Refreshen my memory, JW's don't beleive in Christ nor Revelations. They beleive you get a second chance...no, no. That wouldn't be far for discuss their theology when I don't know enough of it to speak truthfully.

Ciao

I do not have a response to all this...just thoughts.

Prince is searching out the truth just like every one of us SHOULD be doing.

In 2001 Prince stated his admiration of the relationship Larry and Tina have, stating that he himself, wanted to find that...Prince had stated that he has studied just about every religion, and nothing really felt "right" to him, so he began to just plain and simple...
study the "truth".

Prince is pushing himself forward.
Much respect to the man.

In Paisley Park, Prince has the pic of the ad for TGRES where he is holding out the CD cover,it has been changed to read "The New world testement"...Larry also has his own lil room with a painting of himself and many religious books on the shelf.
Prince also has made comments at his ONA shows of "just comming from the kingdom hall"...the man is dropping all kind of hints. Either he is just checking out JW on the surface as his search within all religions to seek out the truth...or he is for some reason, hesitant to show membership of the JW...but then again, since when has Prince been cautious or hesitant to come out and display his beliefs, wants, and desires?

What I dont understand is, why are some people so concerned if Prince is a JW or not?...
and why are some people so quick to critisze others of the path they are chooseing? (as long as its a forward path)

Prince has chosen a forward path...reaching for the truth is always forward.

Instead of one being all into what Prince is searching out, people need to be concerned of which path they THEMSELVES are seeking out.
I would love to have some discussions with Prince and Larry, not to just believe in what they believe, but to spark thoughts, to feel things out.
As one learns new ideas, provoke thoughts, one starts to feel the feeling of "right" or "wrong"...and the feeling of discovering the "right" path is so exhilarating

childofthedawn said:

I also respect your opinion. But in my own personal reading of the Bible I have become convinced that Jesus is God's son and not God himself. There are a multitude of scriptures that confirm this. If a person was to read the Bible alone without interpretation from others he would never arrive at the trinity. Such a term is not even mentioned in the Holy Scriptures. The Trinity is a Doctrine of men not God. The Catholic Church and many other mainstream Churches have created many false and misleading doctrines that do not correspond with the scriptures. They have also behaved in a manner which has not only dishonoured God, but has driven millions of people away from even a belief in him.

I am interested NOT in those who claim to be christian, but those who follow the life of a Christian as written in the Bible.

I too, could provide numerous scriptures that explode the Trinity myth, but I do not wish to enter a theological debate.

In short, I have chosen not to follow men, but to follow God and his word.

These is too high for me to talk about it.

Mr7 said:

How true...put your faith in God not in Man.

Man always has a way of messing things up.
But we were not menat to be perfect,
we do our best as people (most of us).We are not expected to be perfect..we are expected to keep reaching for the best within ourselves...one has to search out the truth for themselves. It also helps to talk about it with others, to share ideas and the word with each other, but one must search for thier own beliefs and relationship with God.

From what a JW told me, JW beliefs says dat :

- If u r divorced, ur soul is lost whatever u do.
- If u have sex outside of marriage, ur soul is lost no matter what u do.
- There r no such things as heaven or hell or reincarnation. When u die, u disappear, & the pure people ONLY will b reborn after the apocalypse.

4 all these reason, eye don't think Prince can officially b a, or b accepted by JW. Eye also remember a report from the 2nd Celebration where a fan said he asked Prince & Prince said he was NOT a JW.

So the question is, has he stated he WAS since then, or not ? Prince has never been afraid of expressing his beliefs, If he IS a JW, he probably said it @ least once.

When Prince was in my City, he attended a Jehovah church. I know this because a friend whom I work with is an elder in this church. He said that to become a Witness you must study, than pass some kind of test on the faith.

I guess when you are ready to fully commit to the faith and "pass the test" you then do "the work" by spreading the word of Jehovah, going door to door etc.

Imagining this man (Prince)coming to my door spreading the "Truth" made me ask if Prince was indeed a Jehovah Witness, he replied "I do know he is studying, but has not given himself completly as of yet". I found that interesting.

I'm waiting for the day to invite this man into my living room to talk about the "truth". What a day that would be!!

oceanslovely Said,

Imagining this man (Prince)coming to my door spreading the "Truth" made me ask if Prince was indeed a Jehovah Witness, he replied "I do know he is studying, but has not given himself completly as of yet". I found that interesting.

I'm waiting for the day to invite this man into my living room to talk about the "truth". What a day that would be!!___

Folks lets face it, Prince is studing the to become a jw. This asnt been going on for a short time, its been years since he first got started. Only time will tell when he takes it to the next level.
Also dont be silly people, hes to famous of a person to be going door to door, he will be sharing the truth like hes already started doing. through is music, at concerts, Celebrations, ect. why go door to door when he can talk to thousands all at once!!

LaLaLAHeHEHE said:

Michael Jackson used to go door to door in the 80's.he did it in London in '85.You can't get any more famous than he was then.

Prince will have to do this too.

Mr 7 thanx 4 ur reply. I understand we could debate 4 hours over this, but i respect ur views. I like ur last point about following God not men u r spot on there! I still think though that JW is probably one of the most "man-made" religions u can subscribe 2. I know Prince is looking 4 the ladder but i think the ladder hes staring 2 climb isnt going lead him 2 the paradise he wants. That statement is made with no intention of offending any1. We all r free 2 believe what we want, my view of salvation is totally diferrent 2 a JWs view. If u read this please dont b offened by me. I am happy that Prince is looking more into the meaning of his life and God word, but i think hes gonna b dragged into the bondage of a religion.

Pluv said:

Thank you!

Mr7 said:[quote]

childofthedawn said:

No they're not.

madcapxtc said:

hmm, this could explain why Prince and Mayte's marriage was annulled, and they didn't get "divorced".


Well Prince, you might as well hang it up kid, you're going to hell, oh wait, JWs dont believe in hell


Well I know that JWs believe that Satan exists, so, where does he live? Even the devil has to have a home..and if it aint hell, then where is it?

lADYCABDRIVERSAID.

Well I know that JWs believe that Satan exists, so, where does he live? Even the devil has to have a home..and if it aint hell, then where is it?
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Earth!!!

Mr7 said:

Mr7, I came to similar conclusions myself.

The trinity is not mentioned as such, but the main root of disagreement between the JW's who don't believe in the trinity and those that do can be found at John 1:1. Which basically says the following:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

The new world translation which the JW's read, have it as follows:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God"

So for the addition of the word 'a', the JW's knock the idea of the trinity on it's head.

LaLaLAHeHEHE said:

um, I dont think so...

2 ur question of Satan! He actually does function on earth, he was cast down from heaven 2 earth at the re-creation and he functions on earth through men. Jesus was tempted by him, Jesus was on earth at the time so was Satan. He is called the god of this world, he is the head of the worlds system and has 2 work through men in order 2 acheive his aims. But as we all know he wont succeed !

I dont understand how people think jesus is God. Its layed out in the bible pretty simple to understand that jesus was gods son, or(Jehova's Son Are whatever u call your God).
And also JWs do believe in jesus They just dont worship him has strongly as Jevoha. what i mean by that is they know he is Gods son, not the all mighty God, and they also realize what he did for us.So they worship him for what he is, Gods son. If you ever hear them prey they always end it by saying (In jesus name amen). The problem here is people hear alot of misconceptions and dont know the facts about the jw religion.

Folks, and to call JWs a cult you can say that about every religion. Thats the whole problem nobody nows which one is the true religion. If you ask me personally some times I think Satan used religions to confuse and seperate people. People kill over this shit! doesnt the bible say thall shall not kill. Perfit example this thread could go on for months and every1 hear that posted will fill the same dam way!! so fuck it beleive what u beleive and rock on!! Piece

My children

U all been listening 2 the Rainbow Children too much

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Discussion is good for the soul. And all things can be up for debate. All this talk about religion when all the religious books say "Not to kill" yet? To have beliefs but not actually abide by them? The person that the world refers to as Jesus was a real person. And had older siblings. Mary was not Joseph's first wife. and Mary had other children.There are still decendents of the House of David today. That can be traced back through the lineage of the bible. Jesus never states who he is in the King James version of the bible. Who do you think I am?
One question for the experts two men were cruified with him one was a thief what was the other?