Thecherryloon said:

chaos96 said:

That really tells the tale about how much of a humungous gap there is.

Prince. He has Influenced many young Singer-songwriters. So many Artists say he Inspired them. Prince is one of a kind.

Wolf said:

Absolutely, Prince has earned respect from some serious musicians I mean come on Miles Davis!!! Miles had all the respect in the world for Prince, Wynton Marsalis, Bowie, artists from different genres respected Prince you hear so many different musicans who praise Prince and list him as a influence as a INSTRUMENTALIST the list goes on and on now that is influence.

Now you talk about influence as far as Pop culture goes and what she has meant to women as far as breaking and ignoring all the doubles standards then we can talk about Madonna!!!

gman1966 said:

Yea, I agree 500%. To compare them on the basis of musical influence alone is faulty.

mistermaxxx said:

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toejam said:
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Madonna has does nothing to influence the history of music (and I mean music, not teen culture!). Prince on the other hand... where do I begin!
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depends on who you ask? Madonna is a Musical Force.People are still Buying Her Product 20 Years Later, HELLO!!!

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Do you think I care about how many teenagers or "once were teenagers in the 80s" buy Madonna's products? Everyone buys junk food, but we all know it's not good for us. Madonna has done nothing innovative in her life except for making crap music. HELLO!!!

toejam said:

There is nothing innovative about Madonna. She is a Pop and Cultural Icon. Prince was able to sell and still be Avant-Garde not that is a good accomplishment.

Madonna outwardly, Prince inwardly, more OR less--artistically speaking that is.

"some people" who have covered Prince:

Afghan Whigs-(the gotdamn Afghan Whigs!!!)

Patti Smith

Living Color

Miles Davis

Ween

Tori Amos

Mitch Ryder



"ma lawd"-Housequake
[This message was edited Sun Oct 27 8:38:11 PST 2002 by rdhull]

gman1966 said:

this is what happens when Folks lose track of the Picture: it's Music.please answer this Question did Prince Work on A Album with Madonna? did they not do Music?did they not Sing together?did She not Share in the Credits? Prince has a Cover Version of Her Song "Like a Prayer".Madonna Has a Helluva Track Record as a Artist.you can talk that Trendy Jive on a Act that lasts 3-5 Years but not a Act that is still Around 20 Years&Almost in a Non-Stop Way.remember She is pretty Prolific Her Damn Self.is Madonna as Musically Gifted as Prince All Around?Hell NAW! but Is She as Important as a Pop Artist that Has Made Albums&Songs that People Care about as much as they Dig His Stuff? HELL YES!

gman1966 said:

you know what? I hear People say that about so many Artists&what does it Prove at the end of the day?Not Much because there are So Many Talented People that are Ignored&one can make that Argument about almost anyone that has Made Music that People Care about.

gman1966 said:

I don't find either one Of them Innovative truth be told.Both are Pop Artists Period.they both had Appeal with the same Audience back in the day&whatnot.Prince has a Better Overall Catelog&I Prefer His Musical Talent Moreso too her's overall but at the end of the day they are both Pop Artists trying too do there thing&they each dig One Another&Prince watches Her More than alot of folks would dare too Believe.Madonna got Her Hustle Off Michael Jackson,Prince,Bowie,Jagger&a few others.but mainly MJ&Prince.

mistermaxxx said:

Look here Prince 80s innovation king! Even Madonna better than King Of jokers! Kylie Minogue better than both! This site for real Prince fans so me joined. Not for people saying bad things of his genius who say they "casual" fan!

Prince ofcourse.

Dude can sing, Madonna not. Don't get me wrong, Madonna has some real good songs, especially those 80's songs, but Prince's talent goes far beyond Madonna's.

If u listen to Michael Jackson's "Bad" album, u can hear lots of Prince sounds. check it out. Maybe Quincy Jones was listening to Prince a lot back then.

Eraserhead said:

and what about Michael jackson's Influence on Prince?"Right Back in My Arms" from the "Emancipation" Album drew alot of folks saying how that Song Sounded alot like a MJ track from the early 80's.Everybody in the Industry Influnces One Another.as B.B. King once said everybody takes from one another.It's POP Music.

mistermaxxx said:

I don't hear that myself.But Prince did attend a J5 concert when he was a little kid.Hell Mike was the same age, they were both kids!.I'd say somewhere along the line, MJ and his brothers may well have influenced Prince.

Mike inspired alot of people even saggy old bag Madonna!

true true, MJ must have been a source of inspiration to prince. (and so many other artists). But i believe that Prince himself had influence on MJ's work.

Eraserhead said:

Absolutely.

Eraserhead said:

No Doubt.One Music Back Scratches Another Music Back with Ideas&Whatnot.like B.B.King said everybody is a Sponge of One another in the Music Industry.but how you go about it can paint a different picture of how it's Precieved.

mistermaxxx said:

It proves he has the respect of other esteemed musicians. If it were madonna's name in the place of Prince's you wouldn't dare dismiss it.

Supernova said:

If there are so many, you should at least be able to name 3.

rdhull said:

oh, SO special.



ho hum. she's a person who's known best for covering yet another artist's song.



you're kidding, right?



he didn't cover him. Prince gave him the song. do you want me to name the other people Prince gave songs to? and see what they add up to? it isn't impressive.



you really want to put a joke band out there as a contender?



this one comes closest so far



who?
[This message was edited Sun Oct 27 10:47:29 PST 2002 by AaronForever]

AaronForever said:

You never asked me to name 3 before, now didja? And since other people have already named more than 3 what's the purpose of me naming 3? Such a loon, Aaron.


Cassandra Wilson - When Doves Cry
Herbie Hancock - Thieves In The Temple
Joshua Redman - How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore
Foo Fighters - Drive Me Wild (live)
Chaka Khan - I Feel For You
Bob Belden - The Music Of Prince
New Edition - I Would Die For You (live)
Tom Jones - Kiss
Ani DiFranco - When Doves Cry, When You Were Mine (both live)
Bush - The Cross (live)
Blind Boys of Alabama - The Cross
U2 - The Cross
Daft Punk - Kiss
Kenwood Dennard - Purple Rain
Full Force - Girl
Goo Goo Dolls - I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man
Heaven 17 - Sign O' The Times
Millie Jackson - I Wanna Be Your Lover
Kinsey Report - 5 Women
Cindy Lauper - When You Were Mine
Duff McKagan - Bambi
M'lissa Morgan - Do Me Baby
Gary Numan - U Got The Look, 1999
PM Dawn - 1999
Pointer Sisters - I Feel For You
Rod Stewart - Peach
TLC - If I Was Your Girlfriend
Michael Hedges - A Love Bizzare
Billy Cobham - Sign O' The Times
Tina Turner - Let's Pretend We're Married, Baby I'm A Star
Classic Metroplitan Orchestra - Plays Prince Diamonds & Pearls (songs from different albums, not just D&P)
Yo La Tengo - Raspberry Beret
Stephanie Mills - How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore
Basement Jaxx - Erotic City
The Stereophonics - Nothing Compares 2 U
Incubus - Doves
Beverly Knight - I Feel For You

This is just a short list. And of course knowing you, Aaron, you'll dismiss it in some way shape or form, but the fact of the matter is that Prince has become one of the most covered artists of the last few decades with many recording artists of different stature who are all over the map. Not because I say so, but because it just IS, and the evidence is there for those who care to find out. Maybe those who don't know it won't come to this realization until he's dead.

Supernova said:

nope, that's all i wanted. but i'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of these artists "special"

btw, you came up with that list pretty quickly this time. where was it before

AaronForever said:

I wonder if any "special" people have covered Madonna...not saying thats prerequisite for influence, but jus' wondering.

AaronForever said:

Well of course, you're the same guy who thinks Chaka Khan was/is an Aretha Franklin rip-off. I can't exactly say that it surprises me that some of these people, including Miles Davis, aren't special to you.



The wonderful world of my memory+cyberspace=information.


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[This message was edited Sun Oct 27 13:28:17 PST 2002 by Supernova]

AaronForever said:

I think you are saying tha these artists arent or werent special. I never said they were. I posted a wide array of styles of artsist who have covered Prince. But if you think they arent "special" thats cool...but kind of unsettling. (and Ill answer why since youre gonna amake a comment on it--unsettling because it "seems" your bias to discredit something ..and that seems tawdry..somewhat making Madonnas influence more of a superficial have to be a big named known artist thang)).

rdhull said:

i never made no proclamation about who was more influential. i was only reacting to the comment that no musicians are riffing on open your heart.

Supernova said:

Miles didn't cover Prince. Prince gave him the songs. And as I said above, if we went through the list of people Prince gave songs to, it would be rather unimpressive.

AaronForever said:

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We are not discussing who Prince gave songs to we are discussing who covers his songs.

There are to many to list. Everytime you turn around someone is covering this man's tunes. No one is covering Maddonna songs. Unless you count Kelly Osbourne(LOL)

Miles was a hugh Prince fan and they did work together. No one at Miles's level will every work with Maddonna.

It is obvious from some of your post that you know nothing about RnB music and need to stop embarrassing yourself by discussing this style of music.