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Reply #30 posted 03/07/08 9:13am

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violetblues said:

laurarichardson said:


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Rick got a lot of stuff from JB and other R&B performers that came before him.
The book is a good read but, Rick was so jealous of Prince it is kind of sad.

He could have put that energy into his own music.


Oh I'm sure there was jealousy, especially with a younger kid moving in on his turf, but I'm sure there was a kernel of truth to the story of Prince aping James's moves before his own set, which is funny as hell anyway.
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yup. it really isn't hard to imagine.

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Reply #31 posted 03/07/08 11:33am

aiutatecy

So Prince can steal from people and take advantage from them but nobody is allowed to upload his stuff on the web...

"Varying weights, varying measures, are both an abomination to the LORD" might be a good advice to him if he still believes in what he used to believe yesterday
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Reply #32 posted 03/07/08 12:00pm

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There are a number of Prince mentions in the book. Rick also says that MTV played Prince's "Litte Red Corvette" video as a way of striking back at Rick for criticizing the netowrk in interviews. Interesting if true.
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Reply #33 posted 03/07/08 4:53pm

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PDogz account at a Rick James concert, check it out:
1979: Attended a Rick James concert in Charlotte, NC. Prince was the opening act - Blew EVERYONE away! Rick James could not compare when he followed Prince's act. In fact, about 20 minutes into Rick's set, people in the audience started walking out. It wasn't that Rick James performed poorly, it was just that after seeing Prince - there was no where else to go! Prince wore everybody out! I feel like I was a part of history that night. May Rick James be resting peacefully.


His entire set was about 45 minutes or so of complete mayhem and frenzy!

When you first entered the Coliseum, there was no curtain and everything was setup at the front edge of the stage: mic-stands, keyboards, and very few other props. The drum set was in the middle of the stage placed up on a little riser with an oval-shaped sign over it (which was first covered in canvas) that had "PRINCE" spelled out in lights, as in the logo on his 1979 "Prince" album. Everybody was just standing around, jamming to the pre-concert music that they play over the system, smoking joints, grooving, and basically waiting for Rick James.

No one really knew who Prince was yet. In fact, I thought we were about to see a band called "Prince For You" (the title of his first album). I didn't know yet that Prince was an individual and not just the name of a band. I thought certainly that no one would be actually named "Prince".

Then… BAMM! The lights went out, and you could make out 3 shadowy figures move onto the stage, and then stood with their backs to the audience. The rest of the band took their place, and all you could hear over the sound system was someone speaking in a low, sort of foreboding tone: “Char-lotte! Are you ready for me?”

The drum roll hit, the stage lights came up, and Andre, Prince, and Dez turned and all charged about 4 or 5 steps toward the audience – and everybody freaked the Hell out! These guys looked scary as shit! The one in the middle (who I soon learned was Prince) had this spiky hairdo, full make-up, a pink leather motorcycle jacket, panties, black stockings, and pumps! The audience reaction was pure fright! Then Prince reached around to his back, pulled his guitar around to the front, then the whole band started jamming “Sexy Dancer”, and the crowd quickly got over their fright and started rocking to the music and jamming along - all hands were in the air. By the end of that first song, everybody was like: “Oh shit! This guy AIN’T playing!” The party was ON full blast!

Their play list consisted of songs from his first two albums, but the song they did that most sticks out in my mind is when they played “Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?”, because Prince was ad-libbing a lot. Like:


Why you wanna treat me so bad? Is it the clothes I wear?
Why you wanna treat me so mean? Is it the style of my hair?

But what completely blew people away was when they played their encore: “I Wanna Be Your Lover”.

Prince went mad, threw off that cool ass pink leather jacket, peeled off his stockings, threw them at the audience, and was running around the stage jamming to the beat with nothing but his guitar, bikini underwear, and high-heeled boots (with little stars on the side). And then once he was done jacking-off the microphone (as if he were giving it head - Prince was a real whore on stage back then), tossed his guitar to the side, reached his hand down into his panties to cover his dick, and pulled his panties all the way down to his knees, gyrating toward the audience with only his hand covering his dick! WTF!!! The audience was going crazy! At the end of his set, Prince said “Damn Charlotte, we’re gonna have to come back here again soon!” And that was it! I was a stoned-cold Prince fan! I started telling people about Prince the next day!

At that point, everybody was standing around like they had completely forgot about Rick James. But the roadies came out and moved all of Prince’s stuff off stage, the sign over the drums came apart into two pieces and they removed that. But what really tripped me out was once all of Prince’s equipment was off stage, they removed the backdrop that was behind Prince’s set, and you could see that the stage was actually HUGE and that Prince had only been setup right up at the front. There was a giant curtain hanging behind all of that. After several more moments of getting everything set up, the lights dimmed again, the music started, the curtain opened up, and there you could see that this stage was about a mile wide and a mile deep! This was Rick James’s stage!

Rick came out, and The King of Punk Funk reminded you of what you came here for! His show was awesome, but I’ll save it for another thread. But it was interesting to note that many people in the audience started moving out, because at least initially, Rick was no comparison to what we had all just seen out there! Don’t get me wrong, Rick tore the roof off that sucker, but it was hard to stop thinking about what we had just seen Prince do out there.

Rick’s show was about 2 hours long, and the Stoned City Band succeeded in funking us to death! The show was actually exhausting! I remember thinking “How in the Hell can they do this every night, and from town to town?” Ahh, the memories!
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Reply #34 posted 03/07/08 4:55pm

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Giovanni777 said:

First of all, Rick didn't even play the Bass lines on his own records.

Secondly, I'd bet it went down something like this:

Prince probably kicked Rick's ass on the drums, if that ever even happened. Rick probably fronted like he was better.

Prince, probably sensing that Rick had a problem with him, set out 2 show him that he could do whatever Rick was doing, and that's why he was mimicking some of his moves, if he was at all.

If one looks at Prince's stage performing, he is very original, with some noticeable influences. I've seen Rick perform. Prince didn't get anything from him. U wanna talk about James Brown? Fine.

Funny, I don't remember Rick jumping off pianos, landing in a split, and getting back 2 the mic just in time.

Rick was never as dynamic nor athletic as Prince ever.

Nor (as PDogz mentioned) pulled his underwear down in front of the audience.
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Reply #35 posted 03/07/08 5:04pm

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I can see that, Prince was a youngin and it WAS indeed his first real tour. Snce no one else ever confirmed it and only Rick is tellin the sotry who is to say that it's not. I dont see P defending himself.

The only people that will know are the people who were there. I remember talking to my friend Thomas who used to do ad promos for Prince's first album on KMOJ told me that he was doing the whole speedo thing on rollerskates with his girlfreind in Lake Calhoun...he said his show at the Capri was ok, but did need some work. I wish I was there!!!
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Reply #36 posted 03/09/08 11:10am

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wildgoldenhoney said:

Giovanni777 said:

First of all, Rick didn't even play the Bass lines on his own records.

Secondly, I'd bet it went down something like this:

Prince probably kicked Rick's ass on the drums, if that ever even happened. Rick probably fronted like he was better.

Prince, probably sensing that Rick had a problem with him, set out 2 show him that he could do whatever Rick was doing, and that's why he was mimicking some of his moves, if he was at all.

If one looks at Prince's stage performing, he is very original, with some noticeable influences. I've seen Rick perform. Prince didn't get anything from him. U wanna talk about James Brown? Fine.

Funny, I don't remember Rick jumping off pianos, landing in a split, and getting back 2 the mic just in time.

Rick was never as dynamic nor athletic as Prince ever.

Nor (as PDogz mentioned) pulled his underwear down in front of the audience.
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I am glad PDogz post was put on this thread. I bet Rick never pulled his draws down on stage. He did not steal that move from Rick (LOL) The fact is he was blowing Rick off the stage and Rick could not handle it.
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Reply #37 posted 03/09/08 11:20am

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Very interesting clip. So RJ is the person that pulled P out from behind. In a way i am glad that he did, it brought some good, and I do meand good performances from P.
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