I always thought this wasn't 'Prince' material but was framed as such by to help with the contractual obligation.

The insert gives Prince credit for everything, with the exception of "SOLO" that says composed by Prince with David Henry Hwang.

Nah, he just used that as an excuse to release 2 albums. Didn't work..lol

2freaky4church1 said:

Whether as Prince or ,
Come was material released by the same guy.

TheMightyCelestial said:

Ewwwww....
I just read my own post.....

Whether credited to or Prince, they're all Prince albums and the name change is looked back with hindsight as nothing but a publicity stunt that worked to varying effect.

Come and The Gold Experience are from the same stable and even if he didn't see it himself at the time, Prince made both albums and they're looked back on as Prince albums - just like Chaos & Disorder, Emancipation, Crystal Ball, The Truth and Rave are. Hell, even New Power Soul is a Prince album, despite the credited name.

There was no difference in the music was making during the mid-late 90s compared to the music credited to Prince during that time. The name was nothing but (backfiring) folly.

That said, despite the fact that he pretty much stole the symbol, it's a superb logo.

No.

Come should have come out in 1993 instead of the hits album.
Maybe not had Orgasm on it and dropped the poem bits.

Maybe Peach, Pope, and Interactive could have been included, or a few others.

Gold would have been then in 1994.

I always thought part of the problem with Come and Gold's receptions was the time delay of the releases. Come in 94 and Gold in 95, the music was a bit dated by their releases. Bootlegs of most of the material was availabe in 1993.
A 1993 album of the newer material following the album would have done better, I think.

Also, I noticed when I uploaded the second disk of Emancipation to Itunes it loaded as a album. Discs 1 & 3 load as Prince albums.

Prince recorded everything on the "Come" album from January-May of 1993, except 4 "Letitgo" (in March '94). So "Come" was recorded be4 he changed his name 2 on June 7th & that's why it's a Prince album.

TheMightyCelestial said:

Considering how much of the 1993-1994 material was shifted back and forth between Come and Gold albums, yeah, it probably should have been credited to .


But it's all Prince, anyway. I usually make comps that cover the entire output of that period, rather than listening to the albums as released. I enjoy them as they are, but so much of it is interchangeable and some songs make more sense with other songs from other albums (and outtakes).
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Haystack said:

so r u saying that exodus and gold nigga r prince albums as well despite the name..wait how about sheila e's albums? the family's..hell even vanity 6 was a prince album as well right?
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L4OATheOriginal said:

Get a grip Have you checked your fam blood pressure recently?

Sheila E, The Family, Vanity6. Out of those, Sheila E has some credibility, but ultimately, all three's most known albums are Prince albums with vocals by other people. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

As for Exodus and Goldnigga, Exodus falls into the same category as the previous one's I've just mentioned (and the album is fucking great) and Goldnigga was exhibit A in just how awful a Prince project sounds when he lets others take too much control.


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Haystack said:

ur saying that because he's on the cover of album no matter who the album is credited 2, it's a prince album bottom line. so my xamples of listing sheila e etc even tho he wrote most of the music makes it a prince album regardless

I think of 'Come' as being a watershed album. Framed by maybe but I think of it being a Prince album in that it marked the end of Prince as we knew or more the point, he wanted us to know it as an artistic name. The whole album sleeve right down the the gloomy back and grey shots suggest it all.

As far as the music is concerned it felt like his heart just wasn't in it at all in the recording of it. There are some great moments for sure (the finale to 'Come', 'Space' but overall it lacks any catchy tunes and gripping hooks. Even the single, 'Let It Go' is bland and pretty much Prince-by-numbers fair.

The inside message, 'This is the Dawning of a New Spiritual Revolution' felt like the whole new thing was going herald something fresh and exciting. Most noteably the material from 'The Gold Experience'. I remember talking up the 'Gold Experience' material on many occasion and hearing it in concert did make it seem pretty exciting at the time. Personally, of course I felt it flattered to deceive and looking back it was all a bit of a dissapointing marketing ploy really.

Haystack said:

where did he get the logo from then, i was just discussing 1999 artwork on another thread, did someone else make up that symble?

The Come album should definitely be viewed as a "" album.

"" (as a mindset) was born towards the end of December 1992, though of
course he didn't officially announce the name change until June 1993. While
it's true that some of the songs from 'Come' were recorded before the name
change, not all of them were. Besides, several songs that would up on 'The
Gold Experience' and 'Chaos And Disorder' were also recorded before the
name change too, but they're still credited to "" rather than "Prince".

BorisFishpaw said:

That was exactly my sense on this, Boris.

Yes, there was a deliberate change from January 1993 onwards with regard to
Prince's recordings. Even though he hadn't announced it to the world yet,
he'd already changed his name to "" and 'disbanded' the NPG. He'd
decided that the new songs would all have one word titles, and he would
record them all live in the studio using just Michael B on drums and Sonny T
on bass, and do the rest himself (later he would bring Tommy Barbarella and
Mr Hayes back into the recording process as well).

In January 1993 he started recording the new songs which would later become
the backbone of the 'Come' album. The first sessions produced 'Dolphin',
'Come', 'Endorphinmachine', 'Dark', 'Pheromone' and 'Papa', with 'Loose!'
following on in February. By May he had also recorded 'Space', 'Pope', 'Solo',
'Interactive', 'Zannalee' and a couple of tracks which broke the initial one-word
rule; 'Strays Of The World' and 'What's My Name?'. It wasn't until after all
these tracks had been recorded that he officially announced the name change.

It's also worth noting that most of what became the 'Come' album was initially
officially debuted as the first recordings by "". Firstly in the "Glam
Slam Ulysses" production which featured the songs: 'Strays Of The World',
'Dolphin', 'Interactive', 'Pheromone', 'Dark', 'Loose', 'Space', 'What's My Name',
'Endorphinmachine', 'Race', 'Come' and 'Pope'. Then later in "The Beautiful
Experience" TV special which included: 'Interactive', 'Days Of Wild', 'Come',
'Race', 'Acknowledge Me', 'Pheromone', 'Shhh', 'Loose', 'Papa', 'Now' and
'The Most Beautiful Girl In The World'. Again, all tracks were credited to
"" not "Prince".

It wasn't until shortly before the final configuration of the 'Come' album was
submitted to Warners that decided to issue the album under the name
of "Prince". Initially as a way of getting two albums released almost at the
same time ('Come' and 'The Gold Experience') and getting two albums closer
to fulfilling his contract. Of course in the end both albums got delayed, and
the appearance of a "Prince" album as the first release since the worldwide
success of 'The Most Beautiful Girl In The World' single and the much
publicized name change just confused the public about the whole issue.

Here's a quick rundown of when each track on the released 'Come' album
was recorded...

01. Come (April 1994)
02. Space (May 1993)
03. Pheromone (January 1993)
04. Loose! (February 1993)
05. Papa (January 1993)
06. Race (November 1991)
07. Dark (January 1993)
08. Solo (May 1993)
09. Letitgo (March 1994)
10. Orgasm (August 1993)

The original version of the title track was recorded in January 1993, but the
version used on the finished album was re-recorded from scratch in April '94.
'Race' was recorded just before the "" album sessions had properly
started in November 1991, it was pulled out from the vault and revamped in
May 1993, it was then remixed in early 1994 (which is the version used on
the album). 'Letitgo' was a brand new track recorded in March 1994 (it was
originally titled 'Let It Go', but was condensed into one word shortly before
the album was released). 'Orgasm' and the album segues were originally one
track entitled 'Poem', which featured a newly recorded vocal (August 1993)
over the top of a sound collage of guitar feedback originally recorded in
1981 and Vanity's moaning from the Vanity 6 outtake 'Vibrator' which was
recorded in 1983.

What about The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale then, Boris?
Should that be credited to ? I'm guessing no.

That Letitgo followed the smash hit of MBGITW is one of the biggest faux pas of his single release discography (and there's been a lot of them).

The break between the sound of and the sound of Come always seemed completely striking to me (although the version of the title track on Come does sound like a logical evolution from in retrospect, the horns and 'jazzy' air). The Come/Gold material still amazes me.

Regarding the name change - Going into it, it seemed to bring a great creative push, and the longer it went on, the more it seemed to eat away at that creativity. I think the general audience couldn't grasp it from the start, even if a lot of fans (a dwindling hardcore, no doubt) got off on it.

Honestly, the further away we get from that period, the more insignificant it seems. I guess one day we'll be talking about the JW period in a similar way.

Legally, I'm thinking that any of those songs on Come that were written and recorded with the initial intent of being a Warners release (whether through contract, advances, studio time, or otherwise) then they had to've been released as a Prince product. A lot of The Vault material was recorded on Warner's time and paychecks, so I can't see how he could've released those songs under any other name but Prince; though, on the other hand, Crystal Ball was released as though, right?

Not sure. More input required...

Kinda of a tricky question seeing as Come and The Gold Experience swapped songs a handful of times before the final configurations were decided by Prince/

Going from what Prince's mindset was at the time, I'm gonna have to say that Come is the last "Prince" album he released of the decade.

He wanted badly to release the two albums simultaneously, showing the superority of The Gold Experience's or 's material. Almost as if he despised his own name so much that he wanted to show that his "reincarnation"'s music was what really should be listened to.

Well, no wonder Come didn't do all that well in the charts. Prince didn't support it at all.

I don't believe I could call Come a album given what I know. Though I must admit that the maturity of the material is a big step from the album. Probably because this was a more serious side of Prince.

I guess you just had to be there.

Anji said:

'The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale' was designed as a "Prince" album, and almost
all the songs were recorded well before had even thought about changing
his name. Originally, he had planned on releasing 3 "Vault" albums under
the name of "Prince" while he also released his own new "" albums.
Whether 'The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale' is one of these original 3 albums or
a different compilation is unknown, but it's very likely that it is.

Were these original three "Vault" albums conceived as part of the contractual release strategy or were these ideas that turned P on anyway?

Snap said:

I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong, but I've always been under the impression, and never seen anything to the contrary, only affirmative, that Prince records on his own time - thus Warners never had any claim to music he recorded from his time with them and remained unreleased.

This isn't a name issue, which is why there are Warner era tracks on Crystal Ball for example.

L4OATheOriginal said:

Dude, come on!! NPS is considered a "Prince" album by everyone but you!!! LEAD VOCALS:PRINCE, COVER PHOTO:PRINCE. It's not a PROTEGE album!!

dannyd5050 said:

Prince classed it as an NPG album.

NouveauDance said:

I know that. My debate is that it's not a protege album regardless of who it's credited to. Exodus and Goldnigga are different. He doesn't sing lead vocals or appear in the music videos (The One) or put his picture on the cover on those.