nuthinbuttamuffin said:

You can most certainly build muscle on a vegan diet. I do not believe in excessive protein intake for the average weight trainer. People NOT on steroids require much less protein intake than others. Too much protein is hard on the kidneys

sensitivemthrfker said:

http://www.labrada.com/pr...eport.html

joeycoco said:

Ha ha...I knew this was coming...Let's not forget that these nutrition companies are making ALOT of money from selling protein powders...They have been telling people for years that you need a higher protein intake to gain muscle and lose fat, and although we do require protein, we also require carbohydrates, complex carbohydrates from starches, whole grains, fruits and vegetables, which also contain some protein, vitamins, and minerals. You need a balance of both protein and carbohydrates in your diet, but certainly not the amount of protein that some say...How do I know this? It took me years of trial and error with my own diet. I have tried the high protein diet, with low carb intake...I lost water weight, got headaches, and became very grouchy. Balance is key. I have many friends who are lean and muscular on a higher carbohydrate diet that also includes protein. Carbohydrates also have a protein sparing effect, which is beneficial to your progress when weight training. Do your research, and keep in mind the amount of money being made in the fitness and nutrition industry...It's in the millions...

i just cannot imagine ol' boy bench-pressin and all that...

Prince also does ballet and yoga.

PlastikLuvAffair said:

His old Rudulph's hangout could do that man some good, eh?

It's gettin tiny...doesn't stick out like it used to... perhaps he needs more protein to build the buttock muscle.

sensitivemthrfker said:

Fact is, you need protein to build muscle, though I agree that it is possible to get a more muscular appearance by working out and cutting down your fat and carb intake. But again I say, you need to increase your protein intake to gain muscle mass and it's NOT putting that much more strain on healthy kidneys to the point that it will cause problems. As a personal trainer you should know this.

Ofcourse you need to increase your calorie intake (as well as water, fiber, calcium, zinc, omega oils and vitamins etc). You can absolutely be lean and be on a higher carb diet, slow twitch muscles will demand more carbs. And you're right, you don't want to cut down on your carb intake too much, because that will mean your body will start using too much protein as fuel.

I have done my research and FYI I am a bodybuilder myself. The high protein in combination with creatine (periodically) and a generally healthy diet I'm on works perfectly for me as well as thousands and thousands of other lifters. Then again, we're not the average weight lifters, but what you said about protein being too hard on (healthy) kidneys is not true unless you use an absurd amount of protein with no one would recommend in the first place.

So let it be clear that I do agree with you on certain points when it comes to the average lifter, but to keep it simple you need to lift heavy, varied, rest and eat big to get big(ger) which inevitably means use excessive amounts of protein. http://flexonline.com/fle...2_0885.jpg
[This message was edited Fri Oct 25 23:41:12 PDT 2002 by joeycoco]

This always seems like the oddest question to me, perhaps I'm just weird... I dunno, he's always had a great body. He's gotta be doing something, right?

Anyway, there's a weight bench in his office @ Paisley (at least as of that BBC footage, I believe it was shot around GB time)...

CalhounSq said:

If you look at older footage you could see he was heavier with bigger arms that looked like he touched a weight.Now he's a toothpick.His chest is like Alfalfa's from the little rascals

His chest is like Alfalfa's from the little rascals

LaVisHh said:

What's Rudolphs, a soul food joint in Minneapolis?

Okay Joey, you are informed, and I will agree with you for what you are doing as a bodybuilder. The problem I have is ingesting excessive protein 2 - 3 times your bodyweight for the average lifter. I believe that this is unnecessary and extreme. My philosophy for a regular weight trainer is to ingest 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, 2 grams of carbs per pound, supplemented with flaxseed oil, a good multivitamin, and 1000MG of vitamin C 3 times daily to assist in recovery. All the best!

sensitivemthrfker said:

Ah, ok, looks like we share the same views then. 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound should be more than enough. I just thought you were saying the RDA was more than enough for people who want to build some muscle. But is also needs to be said that folks who hit the gym maybe twice a week can tone those muscles without making major changes in their diet as far as protein in concerned.