Giovanni777 said:

nah i don't think it had anything 2 do with that, more of he learned his lesson from npgmc 2 not have a forum

L4OATheOriginal said:

Well that's your opinion.
I see you've been one of those double-triple posters that keep trying to establish your opinion (strongly negative) towards this album.

I'm not looking to convince anyone that it is "the greatest thing since [album name here]"... the measures of greatness vary from person to person.

I can't agree with the negative attitudes towards the album. It's not even so much being against that album itself. (It's cool if you don't find it 2b your cup of tea). What I'm not cool with is the persistence of saying every possible thing you can think of to tear it down and trying to convince others to change their opinions about it because you think your opinion is superior to theirs.

For the record, I just point out all the good things about the album. I don't attack people for liking certain albums and try to change minds.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

u know what dreamy? from ur accounts of things u've only been around this prince world 4 only about a year so u don't know some of the people on this org like I do that have been around 4 years!!! so y don't u chill out take a volume and chill out. u don't know my relationship with those that i speak 2 about this album. i still stand by it that this album sucks big time..it's like how u don't like anything with hip hop, do i bash u upside the head because u don't? no ..so now that I stick up and say on yes multiple occasions that this album sucks that is my perogrative. if people like this album, then that's fine by me. but i don't take it as my personal crusade 2 change their minds. in fact u would find that most of my attacks on this album 2 others is made with fun not seriously. unlike u that keep this album and all of prince's music like it's some personal attack on ur human body that we dislike something prince has done.

btw people that do things like that and take it 2 heart r called the fanatics. and u seem 2 have a problem with the word "fan" as well. spoken like a true fanatic

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

I see you've been one of those double-triple posters that keep trying to establish your opinion (strongly positive) towards this album.



I can't agree with the positive attitudes towards the album. It's not even so much being for that album itself. (It's cool if you find it to be your cup of tea). What I'm not cool with is the persistence of saying every possible thing you can think of to build it up and trying to convince others to change their opinions about it because you think your opinion is superior to theirs.



Really, then why do you keep posting the same wordy prose over & over again? Are you practicing for some creative writing class? Couldn't you start a blog instead?

And btw, what happened to this? Thought you "didn't sign up" for dissenting opinions.

Whoa.

"DreamyPopRoyalty" did not instigate nor ask 4 this conflict, and nor did L4OATheOriginal 4 saying "it sucks". That's his opinion... it's fine, although totally subjective, because it cannot "suck", as there is quality material, and it was recorded and mixed well.

There is no reason 2 attack her.

Frankly, her posts have been refreshing 2 read on the Org, and U should not try 2 insult her writings, as they were well written, and she has put alot of thought into each recording.

There R others here that do appreciate a fresh new perspective, ESPECIALLY since this perspective includes being both subjective and objective, and she writes quite well.

The Org needs her and welcomes her.

Essentially... she's a good egg. Now lay off.

Peace.

~G
[Edited 2/13/08 10:10am]

Giovanni777 said:

yES, we can disagree without disrespect. If everyone liked the same things, then they would all be perfect like me!!!!

Anywaze, I think it's cool if u think the album sux or if it is the greatest in the world, IF you explore your thoughts respectfully mindful of the guest to your post, THEN you may actually begin to persuade them of your POV, but never when you disrespect... that only leads to resistance.

Giovanni777 said:

No disrespect to your opinion, but personally, I was VERY disappointed in PE. I felt that a lot of the lyrics were just thrown together without much thought, and musically, I felt that the album is lacking. At least 3121 was diverse and offered SOME substance. Every song on PE, with the exception of the title track, is instantly forgettable. I hate it, and I don't care how Prince feels about the reactions. Put out some quality stuff, Prince and maybe your fans will be more forgiving for your guilty pleasures.

Giovanni777 said:

in the end ..do u really think prince's gives a rat ass on how we feel about this album?

i appreciate that u r respecting our rights 2 say how we feel about this album G

kenlacam said:

Well that's OK, and U shouldn't care about his reaction 2 your reaction. It's just that the guy can do such a diverse variety of music, that it is, in fact, nearly impossible 2 please his diverse fanbase.

Plus, we all have different reactions 2 every Prince album.

I am one of the few who doesn't like 'Diamonds & Pearls' OR 'The GOLD Experience', and most everyone here loves those albums.

L4OATheOriginal said:

He may not care deeply, but I think he does care somewhat... who knows? I will say that the best thing 4 him would be not 2 care, and not 2 read these forums at all, because anyone would go nearly mad at trying 2 decide what 2 release, after seeing the extreme and diverse reactions 2 their material.

Who knows? He may get a kick out of these extremes.

Peace.

Giovanni777 said:

I'm not attacking her. I used the same exact posts she did, just changed the 'negatives' to 'positives', literally.

One can make thoughtful posts without writing paragraph upon paragraph of flowery prose, it's called being succinct. She can't be offended when people disagree with her. People disagree with me all the time, who cares? Welcome to the real world, it's not all and


If she can't take the heat, then leave the kitchen.

Giovanni777 said:

Well if he cares, he sure has an odd way of showing it. He seems to think if he ignores the internet it will go away... So by that illogical train of thought, it would mean he doesn't even go online, thus he doesn't read what we think. If he cared, he'd stop paying Websheriff to harass his fans.

But since when has Prince ever pretended to care what anyone thinks of him? If he did, I doubt he'd wear or do half of the isht he has.

DevotedPuppy said:

Very logical, Captain. I guess I'm just saying that I like her "freshness", and the Org needs it. It is also very interesting 2 me that someone young, who wasn't a fan before, goes out and methodically gets every Prince album, one by one, and gives them time, then appreciates things about them that not many of her peers would.

It is very rare 4 someone 2 go back like that, especially at that age. She's rare, and also, it ain't easy being succinct when writing about a Prince album.

Peace,

~G

kenlacam said:

kenlacam said:

Some of us believe that he is still putting out quality music. I'm just glad he's not selling out like some of his peers working with who's ever the hottest producers of today. I love PE and I think it's a breath of fresh air from today's music.

kenlacam said:

And no disrespect to your opinion, but what exactly is the album lacking musically? It has drums, guitar, bass, piano, synths, horns, etc.
It may not sound the way you would like it to sound, but "musically" it's all there.
PE may not be your thang, but it is certainly diverse. As much if not moreso than 3121. From almost epic rock songs, to old school soul. From classic Prince style R&B, to simple guitar driven pop songs. 70's style disco/funk to modern day hip hop.
Diversity in a Prince album is always a given. For me it is one thing that Prince does that no one else in music can come close to. It is something that I feel even we, as fans, take for granted.
It's cool if you don't like PE, but to suggest that it's not "quality stuff" is a little much don't ya think.

Giovanni777 said:

u don't like d&p or TGE but u like PE

it's ur right

I am a "Planet Earth" Lover.
[Edited 2/13/08 18:02pm]

Accujack said:

Well put!

PE is definately quality stuff.... how else could Prince gather a grammy from an album that had no major marketing through conventional channels ? He is making it work people. Everyone who is an artist needs to take heed. Some people say that he is doing things that breach a line of ethics. I say he is only crossing the line to freedom, moving into a land that sets example to so many talented artists.

Prince has a name, and a draw power... but do not kid yourself one bit if you do not think that he was not WB little bitch for many years. Along with having to be a whore to the radio system. He has awaken and arrived. He has figured many things out through his experience. I applaud him. It took much guts.
[Edited 2/14/08 8:12am]

Me no likey, it stayed in my player for ONE day

L4OATheOriginal said:

There R maybe 3 songs from each of those albums that I really like, but that's it.

Giovanni777 said:

That's totally cool. I mean we all got our different tastes, right? While D&P is one of the best 90's, I found that by taking out a few tracks (not all) where he starts incorporting rap (rap just lowers the quality of the songs, and doesnt necessarily scream "Prince-esque")...
And if I hadn't put a whole lot of time into it, I would have been in the same boat with u with TGE and I know what you mean. Only a handful of songs really scream as being outrageously good.
If u wanna discuss it further, send me a message, cuz we're already getting off topic as it is.

hollywooddove said:

applaud u, dove

I feel like every time I see a reply of yours here, I either start thinking answer ur thoughts with some of my own or in cases like these, I can't think of anything to add. I like those kinds of replies that make me really think
and it never hurts that I agree completely with where you're coming from here.

hollywooddove said:

cause he said "i will show up at the grammies and present an award if u give me the grammy 4 future crack mama"

Giovanni777 said:

which songs might they b?

L4OATheOriginal said:

Do you really think that this is what happened, and why? I'm not following the source of this.

hollywooddove said:

because future crack is garbage and it wins over more quality stuff like somewhere here on earth or even anything off of 3121 that was nominated 5 times and didn't win nothing. it was probably the grammy commitee doing a little payback 2wards him.

I think it was more popular here in the UK. At the after party in Indigo2 he done a mini set of the first 4 songs on the album. During the first one he asked ''Ya'll know this one''. Everyone cheered and sang along loudly. He looked very suprised and even more pleased and smiled through the whole lot.

L4OATheOriginal said:

Interesting conspiracy theory. I tend to believe that the judges in those fields nominate and vote based on thier experience in the field in their expert areas. There are songs that are nominated I don't understand even getting there. I could never choose between rap songs... my survey of them is shallow and my knowledge of the art is even less.

So, all that I am really saying is that just because I might like a song better, does in no way make it worthy of nomination or award. It certainly doesn't equate a conspiracy on thier part just because they do not agree with me.

I haven't listened to FBM in quite a while... it was not one of my favorites in the least. I don't think the academy wants to kiss P's butt that much.

L4OATheOriginal said:

Um, no.