Giovanni777 said: L4OATheOriginal said: hell yeah it rocked..same with how lovesexy and act 1 was presented in2 2 seperate acts of new material and old Ah yeah... still remember it well... "That was what U wanted me 2 play... This is what I wanna play". i miss those days man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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2 things:
First, the lyrics are B-A-D! Second, the mix is awful. Muddy drums do not do it for me and there is over emphasise on the bass.... even on his vocal on the otherwise sublime "Somewhere Here On Earth". Actually, 3 things! A waste of Wendy & Lisa's talents! Oh no!, number 4: Chealsea Rogers?!?!? What was the point of that track even existing passed a B-Side? Oh well, guess I didn't like it. But if you do that's cool. There is far worse music to admit to liking! -----------------------------------------------
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BlurredEye said: 2 things:
First, the lyrics are B-A-D! Second, the mix is awful. Muddy drums do not do it for me and there is over emphasise on the bass.... even on his vocal on the otherwise sublime "Somewhere Here On Earth". Actually, 3 things! A waste of Wendy & Lisa's talents! Oh no!, number 4: Chealsea Rogers?!?!? What was the point of that track even existing passed a B-Side? Oh well, guess I didn't like it. But if you do that's cool. There is far worse music to admit to liking! Yeah, I agree about the mix. For me it ruins an otherwise great song like Somewhere Here On Earth. I've tried to play it on several different systems to see if it sounds better, but it just doesn't. When the trumpet comes in at the beginning it hurts my ears even with the volume down, and the overall "muddy" sound of the song just stinks. The chorus of Planet Earth (the song) also seems too low in the mix, robbing it of the power that it should have. The sound quality of this album, like most of Prince's recent output, leaves quite a bit to be desired. I really have no problem with his songwriting these days, but the production and mastering of his material seems to be subpar. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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jacobpb said: IMO the worst thing I've heard from Prince ..along with OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE..just not my cup of tea , lyrically mundane, musically sounding like other contemporary artists (Resolution, Lion of Judah, The One U Wanna See) and lacking eclectivity in some songs, in others a blatant repeat of things he done in the past breaking no new ground (Future Baby Mama, Mr. Goodnight) seemed to be an effort to please multiple fanbases for the genre's and ended up sounding thin for the overall production. F.U.N.K. or PFunk was a welcome return in for some originality and creativity. Obviously, you've never heard Rave. Surely you don't think that Planet Earth is worse than Rave. What contemporary artists are doing songs like Lion Of Judah, Resolution, and The One U Wanna C? He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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Accujack said: BlurredEye said: 2 things:
First, the lyrics are B-A-D! Second, the mix is awful. Muddy drums do not do it for me and there is over emphasise on the bass.... even on his vocal on the otherwise sublime "Somewhere Here On Earth". Actually, 3 things! A waste of Wendy & Lisa's talents! Oh no!, number 4: Chealsea Rogers?!?!? What was the point of that track even existing passed a B-Side? Oh well, guess I didn't like it. But if you do that's cool. There is far worse music to admit to liking! Yeah, I agree about the mix. For me it ruins an otherwise great song like Somewhere Here On Earth. I've tried to play it on several different systems to see if it sounds better, but it just doesn't. When the trumpet comes in at the beginning it hurts my ears even with the volume down, and the overall "muddy" sound of the song just stinks. The chorus of Planet Earth (the song) also seems too low in the mix, robbing it of the power that it should have. The sound quality of this album, like most of Prince's recent output, leaves quite a bit to be desired. I really have no problem with his songwriting these days, but the production and mastering of his material seems to be subpar. Yeah, I admit the mix on "Somewhere Here on Earth" should've possibly had his voice up just a bit, and the piano (although I love Prince's playing) could be a bit lower. On "Planet Earth", his voice is buried in the mix at certain key points. But sonically, in general, this album has a far more "lively" mix than the last 2 albums. I like both styles... I'm just sayin'. A lot of the 'Planet Earth' album is mixed perfectly. Take the way he makes his Bass Guitar much more prominent in the mix... "Chelsea Rodgers" and "The 1 U Wanna C" R good examples. Also, his recording AND mixing of the live drums on every cut that features them, is prominent, lively, and he even puts a little room reverb on his drums on "Chelsea Rodges". There R a few subtlties on this album, that should be appreciated. PLUS... there's not ONE guitar track that I would've recorded or mixed any differently. That's all I'm sayin' "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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Accujack said: jacobpb said: ..along with OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE..just not my cup of tea , lyrically mundane, musically sounding like other contemporary artists (Resolution, Lion of Judah, The One U Wanna See) and lacking eclectivity in some songs, in others a blatant repeat of things he done in the past breaking no new ground (Future Baby Mama, Mr. Goodnight) seemed to be an effort to please multiple fanbases for the genre's and ended up sounding thin for the overall production. F.U.N.K. or PFunk was a welcome return in for some originality and creativity.
Obviously, you've never heard Rave. Surely you don't think that Planet Earth is worse than Rave. What contemporary artists are doing songs like Lion Of Judah, Resolution, and The One U Wanna C? WOW. Word. 'Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic' had that super dry, Hans Buff-type of mix. Although that album had it's points, the mix really got on my nerves on some cuts. ...and I haven't even mentioned how I dig "Lion of Judah" and "Resolution". [Edited 2/8/08 16:10pm] "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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Giovanni777 said: 2 each their own, and all that... and everything is subject 2 taste, yes, BUT...
Planet Earth is an incredible album, straight up. I have already gone into detail about what I dig about it. I would have thought that this would have satisfied a lot of long-time fans, and have been stunned at how many couldn't dig this. There is a lot of "care" in the instrumentation on this album. There are a diverse set of elements, which occur naturally. I think Prince was likely disappointed with the reaction 2 this album. [Edited 2/4/08 18:46pm] Thanks for the thread! I was taken aback by the deluge of negative comments/reactions to PE as well. I know it's cool to dog out Prince albums on Prince fan sites, but I was still perplexed by the response to this one. I was also shocked by the lack of promo for it after the MOS giveaway. I guess based on the reaction, it was a done deal after that. I REALLY enjoyed this album. I still play it often. I've heard complaints about the lyrics, the mix, lack of funk, lack of rock, too much rock, too much funk. It almost seems as though Prince can't win with some people. Of course, as you said it is all about personal taste so I will not fault people for what they do and don't like. However, I still think there are some wonderful, fun songs here. Everything doesn't have to be a masterpiece. This album just sounds like a musician having fun making music. It's diverse, upbeat, soulful and funky. The vocal performances are excellent and the instrumentation is fantastic. My favorite songs: PE - I love the dark, rock opera with a message. Guitar - Fun guitar romp from one of the best to ever pick up the instrument. Somewhere Here on Earth - This is a BEAUTIFUL ballad!! The lyrics, Prince's singing, the instrumentation - all superb. The One U Wanna C - Another fun rock song. I love the rhythm section on this, it really drives the song. It's just a fun song to sing along with. Future Baby Mama - LOVE IT! This is a trademark, sexy Prince R&B ballad. I cannot hear this one enough! Mr. Goodnite - Just a fun song all the way around, another nice one to dance and sing along with. I also dig Marva's vocals on this one. All The Midnights - I LOVE the lyrics and the whimsical feel. Chelsea Rodgers - This is so funky! The rhythm section and horns beckon me to dance everytime I hear it. I also like Shelby's Prince's voices together. The last two songs are my least favorite, but they are not bad songs. I am just not as into them as I am the others. Still, all in all, I think PE was a strong album. -Grammar edit- [Edited 2/8/08 17:08pm] perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Hey Giovanni. Man your posts always get my attention. You give insight into Prince's music that makes me take notice of the little things I may not have noticed otherwise.
Keep on droppin' that knowledge 'cause we need more of you around here, and less of the haters. Respect. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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bellanoche said: Thanks for the thread! I was taken aback by the deluge of negative comments/reactions to PE as well. I know it's cool to dog out Prince albums on Prince fan sites, but I was still perplexed by the response to this one. I was also shocked by the lack of promo for it after the MOS giveaway. I guess based on the reaction, it was a done deal after that. I REALLY enjoyed this album. I still play it often. I've heard complaints about the lyrics, the mix, lack of funk, lack of rock, too much rock, too much funk. It almost seems as though Prince can't win with some people. Of course, as you said it is all about personal taste so I will not fault people for what they do and don't like. However, I still think there are some wonderful, fun songs here. Everything doesn't have to be a masterpiece. This album just sounds like a musician having fun making music. It's diverse, upbeat, soulful and funky. The vocal performances are excellent and the instrumentation is fantastic. My favorite songs: PE - I love the dark, rock opera with a message. Guitar - Fun guitar romp from one of the best to ever pick up the instrument. Somewhere Here on Earth - This is a BEAUTIFUL ballad!! They lyrics, Prince's singing, the instrumentation - all superb. The One U Wanna C - Another light, fun rock song. I love the rhythm section on this. It's just a fun song to sing along with. Future Baby Mama - LOVE IT! This is a trademark, sexy Prince R&B ballad. Mr. Goodnite - just a fun song all the way around, another nice one to dance and sing along with. I also dig Marva's vocals on this one. All The Midnights - I LOVE the lyrics and the whimsical feel. Chelsea Rodgers - This is so funky! The rhythm section and horns beckon me to dance everytime I hear it. I also like Shelby's Prince's voices together. The last two songs are my least favorite, but they are not bad songs. I am just not as into them as I am the others. Still, all in all, I think PE was a strong album. thanks for your post. We need more like this. Definitely like a lot what you said about the tracks and I agree. Reading what you said about "Guitar" reminded me of my first listen. Heh, I was thinking "no, this can't be Guitar, its too soon"... soon enough, I got the idea, but it really had me tapping my foot and had me feel like dancing. And agree on the "Future Baby Mama" comment Mr. Goodnight, I'd call "fun" but in a different way... I wouldnt dance to it... for me, I just listen and let my imagination run wild. Giovanni777 said: But sonically, in general, this album has a far more "lively" mix than the last 2 albums. YES!! That's something I was looking for. That's what I picked up right away when I heard it the first time and it automatically became my favorite of the 3 latest releases. I couldn't agree more had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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bellanoche said: Giovanni777 said: 2 each their own, and all that... and everything is subject 2 taste, yes, BUT...
Planet Earth is an incredible album, straight up. I have already gone into detail about what I dig about it. I would have thought that this would have satisfied a lot of long-time fans, and have been stunned at how many couldn't dig this. There is a lot of "care" in the instrumentation on this album. There are a diverse set of elements, which occur naturally. I think Prince was likely disappointed with the reaction 2 this album. [Edited 2/4/08 18:46pm] Thanks for the thread! I was taken aback by the deluge of negative comments/reactions to PE as well. I know it's cool to dog out Prince albums on Prince fan sites, but I was still perplexed by the response to this one. I was also shocked by the lack of promo for it after the MOS giveaway. I guess based on the reaction, it was a done deal after that. I REALLY enjoyed this album. I still play it often. I've heard complaints about the lyrics, the mix, lack of funk, lack of rock, too much rock, too much funk. It almost seems as though Prince can't win with some people. Of course, as you said it is all about personal taste so I will not fault people for what they do and don't like. However, I still think there are some wonderful, fun songs here. Everything doesn't have to be a masterpiece. This album just sounds like a musician having fun making music. It's diverse, upbeat, soulful and funky. The vocal performances are excellent and the instrumentation is fantastic. My favorite songs: PE - I love the dark, rock opera with a message. Guitar - Fun guitar romp from one of the best to ever pick up the instrument. Somewhere Here on Earth - This is a BEAUTIFUL ballad!! The lyrics, Prince's singing, the instrumentation - all superb. The One U Wanna C - Another fun rock song. I love the rhythm section on this, it really drives the song. It's just a fun song to sing along with. Future Baby Mama - LOVE IT! This is a trademark, sexy Prince R&B ballad. I cannot hear this one enough! Mr. Goodnite - Just a fun song all the way around, another nice one to dance and sing along with. I also dig Marva's vocals on this one. All The Midnights - I LOVE the lyrics and the whimsical feel. Chelsea Rodgers - This is so funky! The rhythm section and horns beckon me to dance everytime I hear it. I also like Shelby's Prince's voices together. The last two songs are my least favorite, but they are not bad songs. I am just not as into them as I am the others. Still, all in all, I think PE was a strong album. -Grammar edit- [Edited 2/8/08 17:08pm] Well put, and thank U. "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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Accujack said: jacobpb said: ..along with OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE..just not my cup of tea , lyrically mundane, musically sounding like other contemporary artists (Resolution, Lion of Judah, The One U Wanna See) and lacking eclectivity in some songs, in others a blatant repeat of things he done in the past breaking no new ground (Future Baby Mama, Mr. Goodnight) seemed to be an effort to please multiple fanbases for the genre's and ended up sounding thin for the overall production. F.U.N.K. or PFunk was a welcome return in for some originality and creativity.
Obviously, you've never heard Rave. Surely you don't think that Planet Earth is worse than Rave. What contemporary artists are doing songs like Lion Of Judah, Resolution, and The One U Wanna C? i will take rave over this hot mess man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Accujack said: Hey Giovanni. Man your posts always get my attention. You give insight into Prince's music that makes me take notice of the little things I may not have noticed otherwise.
Keep on droppin' that knowledge 'cause we need more of you around here, and less of the haters. Respect. Yo thanks, man. It means a lot 2 me. ...and I will keep on droppin' it, no doubt. "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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I have always thought that R2JF was written while Prince was obviously high. Read the lyrics. I hope he was high, cuz if he wasn't he was rhyming words out of a hat. This album really had nothing to say. The title song was weeeeek energetically. Song 2, was it get real? may have been the only song that was even funky or decent.
It was still no housequake..... dig? I could listen to the music alone on Rainbow Children. This has to be the jazziest album that Prince has ever done, and he is really great at Jazz. So, from RC, to musicology, to 3121, to PE, Prince has been turning out different yet good stuff. Not great, but good. Even if you took the best songs from these and rolled them on one album, it would not be a great album. I think out of this set, 3121 is the strongest album. PE is still better than any crystal ball by far, and way better than any black album, but only as strong as maybe lovesexy. I rate it there. I'd like to see something comparable in strength to Sign o the times. It was not the record breaker 1999 was, but let's face it, SOTT was great. It wasn't just the music, it was lyrics, the order of the songs, the design of the jacket, the wardrobe of Prince.... it all tied in, and it was all great. It was like the mad musician unleashed, as eccentric artist that had no choice but to be desirable. This was Prince, the total package, at his best. We are all so full of here | |
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jacobpb said: IMO the worst thing [b]I've heard from Prince..along with OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE..just not my cup of tea , lyrically mundane, musically sounding like other contemporary artists (Resolution, Lion of Judah, The One U Wanna See) and lacking eclectivity in some songs, in others a blatant repeat of things he done in the past breaking no new ground (Future Baby Mama, Mr. Goodnight) seemed to be an effort to please multiple fanbases for the genre's and ended up sounding thin for the overall production. F.U.N.K. or PFunk was a welcome return in for some originality and creativity. [/b]
I assume you mean The Vault:Old Friends 4 sale, which was very much a finger up to WB, there are some cuts I like on this album, but overall it left a bad impression, especially the version of Old Friends 4 Sale (charade version), which is one of my all time fav P tracks. I remember well the day I got the Vault, I had very high expectations, in the end, it was probably the most dissappointing P album I have ever got. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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Giovanni777 said: Accujack said: Hey Giovanni. Man your posts always get my attention. You give insight into Prince's music that makes me take notice of the little things I may not have noticed otherwise.
Keep on droppin' that knowledge 'cause we need more of you around here, and less of the haters. Respect. Yo thanks, man. It means a lot 2 me. ...and I will keep on droppin' it, no doubt. It is REALLY nice to read anything positive on this site. I rarely post now because it seems that a negative mob mentality has taken over this site. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Hi bellanoche. Don't feel intimidated by the negativity to the point of not posting. This is a site devoted to Prince, and it is absolutely ridiculous that someone, such as yourself, feel as though they can't post anything positive without being ridiculed.
For someone like myself, who digs Prince's recent output, it is great to hear from others who also enjoy it. Keep on postin'. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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hollywooddove said: Giovanni777 said: Ummmmm... I don't know. I wasn't seeking 2 satisfy people with my enjoyment. Oh, and I am also a long-time fan. Peace. ~G I believe we should have expectations of Prince. I have to agree that PE was not as strong as 3121. As a matter of fact, it has been a long time since Prince has done something as strong as 3121, and it still wasn't as strong as it could have been. It was no Sign o the times. It was more in the category of Gold Experience, strong but not overwhelming. I think that Prince would do good to come back to planet earth, and put his feet on the ground, and write some lyrics that come from real life, and express real feelings, like he did way back in the day. Sometimes his lyrics seem like a man searching for words instead of a man writing from his heart. That is what the entire art side of it is, expression. We have some problem with the quality of some of his work, because he isn't expressing like he used to when he was young, mad, and horny. Now he's somewhat conservative, and that is showing in his tunes. His music has always been an expression of his heart. I think maybe he is too comfortable in his art. He needs to be shook up. HELL YEAH !!! what's missing is lYRICS which mean something , something you can tell might have been a personal experience, or someones experience ! im just not hearing where he's being inspired.Off topic even LENNY KRAVITZ decided to come back to reality, took a trip out to Brazil to write ..think etc and look his new work may not be ground breaking but what did happen is he's found Lenny again.I hope Prince does the same | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: Accujack said: Obviously, you've never heard Rave. Surely you don't think that Planet Earth is worse than Rave. What contemporary artists are doing songs like Lion Of Judah, Resolution, and The One U Wanna C? i will take rave over this hot mess Me too! Hell, I'll take Carmen Electra's album over Planet Barf. Yeah, no contemporary artists are doing songs like Lion of Judah, Resolution & The One U Wanna C because those songs SUCK! Planet Earth = | |
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Planet Earth sucks.
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purplesweat said: Planet Earth sucks.
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FuNkeNsteiN said: purplesweat said: Planet Earth sucks.
It may not be Prince's best work, but at least it's not as shitty as "Bootsy? Player of the Year". Now that album sucks donkey balls! He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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I truly like the title-track, SHOE, The 1 U wanna C, Future baby mama, Chelsea Rodgers and Resolution; the other tracks are ok, but still much better than the bulk of Musicology; nevertheless, 3121 is a much better album than both PE and Musicology | |
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Accujack said: FuNkeNsteiN said: It may not be Prince's best work, but at least it's not as shitty as "Bootsy? Player of the Year". Now that album sucks donkey balls! One of the worst attempts at trying to piss somebody off, ever It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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JoeTyler said: I truly like the title-track, SHOE, The 1 U wanna C, Future baby mama, Chelsea Rodgers and Resolution; the other tracks are ok, but still much better than the bulk of Musicology; nevertheless, 3121 is a much better album than both PE and Musicology
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I'm hoping on a new album for the year, and it is typical. I would like something as thought out as 3121. That would make a great summer for me. Prince, if you buzz through these threads..... Look BACK at 3121, you did that right. You put a lot of love and energy into that disc. I think the twins were a great inspiration to you. Go find a muse. [Edited 2/9/08 8:07am] We are all so full of here | |
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hollywooddove said: I'm hoping on a new album for the year, and it is typical. I would like something as thought out as 3121. That would make a great summer for me. Prince, if you buzz through these threads..... Look BACK at 3121, you did that right. You put a lot of love and energy into that disc. I think the twins were a great inspiration to you. Go find a muse.
[Edited 2/9/08 8:07am] I couldn't agree with you more hollywooddove. There was an energy in 3121 that I hadn't heard from Prince in many years and it wasn't in Planet Earth either, even though I liked it. I hope the next CD will make 3121 look pale when it comes to funk and energy. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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FuNkeNsteiN said: Accujack said: It may not be Prince's best work, but at least it's not as shitty as "Bootsy? Player of the Year". Now that album sucks donkey balls! One of the worst attempts at trying to piss somebody off, ever Not really trying to piss anyone off. I was just voicing my honest opinion. Whether or not it pisses you or anyone else off is irrelevant to me. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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Accujack said: FuNkeNsteiN said: One of the worst attempts at trying to piss somebody off, ever Not really trying to piss anyone off. I was just voicing my honest opinion. Whether or not it pisses you or anyone else off is irrelevant to me. Ah indeed, you are entitled to your opinion, good sir. It's completely irrelevant to me It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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FuNkeNsteiN said: Accujack said: Not really trying to piss anyone off. I was just voicing my honest opinion. Whether or not it pisses you or anyone else off is irrelevant to me. Ah indeed, you are entitled to your opinion, good sir. It's completely irrelevant to me Getting opinions on black music from a white dude from Finland is like going to Harlem to get the lowdown on the latest Willie Nelson album. It just don't jive. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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Accujack said: FuNkeNsteiN said: Ah indeed, you are entitled to your opinion, good sir. It's completely irrelevant to me Getting opinions on black music from a white dude from Finland is like going to Harlem to get the lowdown on the latest Willie Nelson album. It just don't jive. Well well, aren't you a narrow-minded dumbass It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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