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Thread started 10/23/02 6:51am

Cloudbuster

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The Rainbow Children

I know a lot of folk were really disappointed with Rave but i've only spun TRC in its entirety about 5/6 times and i've hardly listened to our man since. I'm hoping his next album gets me back on board or else i may join the Once Upon A Time club. TRC is now a year-ish old, what are your thoughts now it's no longer "the new Prince album."

I do believe we try to like an album upon its release b'cos we WANT to like it but TRC just hasn't grown on me at all.

It's possible it might still just be the lyrical content...oh well!
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Reply #1 posted 10/23/02 7:01am

Thecherryloon

I'm sure you will be a major loss to Prince and the world in general.you may even make the evening news.You'll be missed sorely.Really.

just don't tell us.zzz
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Reply #2 posted 10/23/02 7:03am

Phil

ok...some songs i can take and leave...they are mellow, the work, the everlasting now, last december wedding feast and everywhere.
the title track i think is amazing, one of the best things prince has ever done in my opinion. Muse also outstanding. Also u gotta love family name. Brillian music in these tracks i think These few tracks ive left in and havent named i also really like.

Overall, i think that TRC and ONA represent a dramatic change in artistic values from recent works.

I like this change.
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Reply #3 posted 10/23/02 7:15am

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Phil said:

ok...some songs i can take and leave...they are mellow, the work, the everlasting now, last december wedding feast and everywhere.
the title track i think is amazing, one of the best things prince has ever done in my opinion. Muse also outstanding. Also u gotta love family name. Brillian music in these tracks i think These few tracks ive left in and havent named i also really like.

Overall, i think that TRC and ONA represent a dramatic change in artistic values from recent works.

I like this change.

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Reply #4 posted 10/23/02 7:17am

Novabreaker

For fuck's sake... these things aren't worth starting a thread. Well, I did once strat a thread on Prince's sibilants, so...

Do I really care? Obviously enough to respond. But that's about it.
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Reply #5 posted 10/23/02 7:19am

Thecherryloon

seeing him perform some of TRC live recently gave the album a whole new lease of life for me.I'll admit it took a few listens to really appreciate it fully.there is more going on musically than at first seems apparent.

his best since SOTT i think.

(and enough with the "i don't like it, so i don't like Prince anymore" whining!)
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Reply #6 posted 10/23/02 7:21am

Heavenly

I like the Rainbow Children very much.
You can actually feel that it's an album, and not a collection of songs.
The production on that album is brilliant, the arrangements shocked me. This album really knows prince's production talents, and of course perforamnce.
Anybody I play this album to (mostly musicians) who some don't even remember Prince exists, was really amazed and asked for a copy.

I thank Prince for that album, I was beginning to lose faith, but the ainbow Children reminded me why I like Prince's work so much.
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Reply #7 posted 10/23/02 7:24am

sojourner

I for the most listen to the man's older stuff. First i also was a bit dissapointed about TRC and it is still not my favourite. Probably that is most for the lyrical content but not for the music bit. But it grew on me and i maybe listened to it some 10 times.It was not that bad and indeed gave me some hope for another thrilling album ,to come in the future.

Now he is on tour and i am still a bit euforic after seeing him do Rotterdam on the 15th. I mean to say ,he is in a middle of a tour and i don't except any new stuff fast (& i am no NPGMC member).

What i hope for is to buy the new ONA 3CD box in my local record-cd store. Soon please ,let's say christmas.
That would keep me busy till later next year when he will release some exciting new stuff. That's what i hope for.
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Reply #8 posted 10/23/02 7:30am

Cloudbuster

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Thecherryloon said:

I'm sure you will be a major loss to Prince and the world in general.you may even make the evening news.You'll be missed sorely.Really.

just don't tell us.zzz



Rather harsh, huh?

I was only asking your opinion on the album now that it's had a year to mature, we can't all like the same things.

Some things grow on you and some things don't, that's all.
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Reply #9 posted 10/23/02 7:48am

Saxjedi

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The one song that makes me go and get this CD out of the rack is "Everywhere". That's just outstanding. And then I listen to the rest of it and... yep, it still kicks ass.
I know u people worthless scum give no heart but wrath of insults a brain-driven wave of destruction your bite is worse than your vocabulary. Shame on you all of you. Go feed your pigs coward.
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Reply #10 posted 10/23/02 7:59am

T0raT0ra

Cloudbuster said:

...I'm hoping his next album gets me back on board or else i may join the Once Upon A Time club...what are your thoughts now it's no longer "the new Prince album."...


I do believe Prince already had a new album, FYI it´s called ONE NITE ALONE. If you don´t have it...join the club.
Oh by the way... TRC is great!!!(accept for some lyrical content).
Desperatly searching for a Tora Tora pic......
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Reply #11 posted 10/23/02 8:07am

Saxjedi

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When you say 'if you don't have it, join the club'... do you mean that you don't have it either? I understand cos I'm a member and I don't have it yet.
I know u people worthless scum give no heart but wrath of insults a brain-driven wave of destruction your bite is worse than your vocabulary. Shame on you all of you. Go feed your pigs coward.
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Reply #12 posted 10/23/02 8:13am

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Thecherryloon said:

there is more going on musically than at first seems apparent.

his best since SOTT i think.

(and enough with the "i don't like it, so i don't like Prince anymore" whining!)

Meet my new thoughts, same as my old thoughts.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #13 posted 10/23/02 8:14am

Cloudbuster

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I'm hoping ONA pops up in a local store near me (I won't say where in case someone nicks my custom) that gets P bootlegs, imports and promos. I was lucky enough to get a boot of TGE long b4 release when our man was sitting on it.

Fingers crossed.
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Reply #14 posted 10/23/02 8:17am

Cloudbuster

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Thecherryloon said:



(and enough with the "i don't like it, so i don't like Prince anymore" whining!)


I ain't whining! It's just that since The Truth, the only album of P's that i spin is The Vault, all old stuff.

And that says what?
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Reply #15 posted 10/23/02 8:25am

Pagey

I wasn't sure WHAT to make of The Rainbow Children when it came out. I liked the music, but not the concept. I got the feeling that Prince was trying to convert people to be JW. New Translation? The banished ones? What the hell is he talking about? When I listen to Prince's music I ususally pull out Parade, Sign, Purple Rain, Lovesexy, Madhouse, or The Black Album. The last decade of his music has been a bit disappointing to me and TRC just didn't grab me...AT FIRST.

Now I seem to be liking it the more I hear it. I don't care about the concept anymore, and am not trying to hear "the message". It is the 1st album from Prince since Lovesexy that after a year, I am listening to it more than I did than when I bought it. Also when I heard ONA live it brought new life to some tunes...esp the title track and Muse.
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Reply #16 posted 10/23/02 8:32am

Haystack

I find the Rainbow Children one of Prince's most uplifting albums. Not necessarily lyrically (most of it is pretentious crap), but musically it's so joyous.

Everywhere, Last December, Everlasting Now, The Sensual Everafter and the title track are some of the greatest natural highs my ears have ever experienced from Prince.
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Reply #17 posted 10/23/02 9:09am

metalorange

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It seems to be a bit more of a muso's record, I gave a copy to a bass-playing jazz-obsessed friend and he says he's playing it constantly!

It's not my favourite album by a long way, but I do like its consistent feel, it feels very relaxed and unhurried unlike a lot of Prince's albums which grab you by the throat and take you on a rollercoaster ride.

But most people I know say it would be so much better without the narrator voice.

I've been playing it a lot more since seeing the concerts! Really looking forward to the ONA live cds.


"I want my... I want my... I want my ONA live cds"
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Reply #18 posted 10/23/02 9:45am

kisscamille

As I've stated numerous times on this site, IMO, TRC is a masterpiece. I do not like the religous lyrics and I do not like the deep voice that drones on and on, but on the whole this is an amazing album. There is nothing else out there like it and that's part of what makes is so amazing. His voice is excellent and his guitar sounds better than ever. On a scale of 10, I would give this a 9.
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Reply #19 posted 10/23/02 10:18am

Dan

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TRC is fantastic!!!
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Reply #20 posted 10/23/02 10:18am

Thecherryloon

Cloudbuster said:

Thecherryloon said:



(and enough with the "i don't like it, so i don't like Prince anymore" whining!)


I ain't whining! It's just that since The Truth, the only album of P's that i spin is The Vault, all old stuff.

And that says what?


i was speaking more of people in general moaning.not you specifically, no offence.
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Reply #21 posted 10/23/02 10:31am

lovesexy4u

eye love trc .its his most amazing album in years.even the lyrics don't bother my at all.its just 1 album he created full about his belief.don't worry .
eye love the opening track the most.muse & the work are great .everywere is the bomb also the everlasting now.mellow and she loves me are so beautifull. and last december well its intresting.

now about rave.whats wrong with this album .
eye have listen 2 it again this week.its full off great songs.
so far so pleased-baby knows-everyday is a wainding road-strange but...-don't trust u anymore even the undisputed and rave eye found great.the only weak song on it is silly game.
its not his best album .but this album needs more attention and respect then most off u gave it.
woekie woekie!!!
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Reply #22 posted 10/23/02 10:46am

Jestyr

Each time I revisit it, I find that I love it even more. I always discover something that I hadn't heard before - just like any good Prince record. As far as 'The Message', I think you just need to take it a lot less seriously than the way it was presented by the first listeners to review it. I listened to it again last night and it occurred to me that the whole story made a lot more sense and comes across even more entertainingly (is that a word?) if you listen to it like you would a Dr Seuss story. The narrator voice harks back to the old days when Prince would add something 'sick' to a recording to make it more challenging for the listener. It's just a character, like at the end of "Temptation". The weirdness makes it fun and balances the general seriousness of the musical arrangements. It's just a story - like any other story - the bible and Grimms' fairy tales are full of them as well. Listen to it again and picture the events in the album reproduced as an animated tale ala Dr Seuss! Imagine the Bayac drawings on the cover brought to life with that drawing of Prince as the narrator!
[This message was edited Wed Oct 23 10:50:34 PDT 2002 by Jestyr]
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Reply #23 posted 10/23/02 11:23am

chookalana

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I have to say the more I listen to the higher on the "All Time Prince Albums List" it goes.

I think TRC is by far his best album in years and hope he continues to go in this direction. 1+1+1=3, Family Name, Last December are some of his finest writing he has ever done.

Long Live The Rainbows Childeren... worship

MJ machinegun

mac 'nuff said.
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
uzi RIAA
mac 'nuff said.
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Reply #24 posted 10/23/02 4:10pm

tricky99

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the lyrics to TRC. It is his point of view. Take it as that. The point is not to agree or disagree it is to listen. For the most part Prince is telling his own personal life story. It is just dressed up in religious allegory to shade the real people it talks about.
Prince = the wise one
Mayte = the wife who is banished
Mani = the muse who becomes queen
It's about his break with mayte and the music biz and his conversion to jehovah witness and his marriage to mani. Don't be fooled by the stage show. The truth is there between seams.
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Reply #25 posted 10/23/02 6:06pm

Persian

To be honest Cloudbuster I agree with u. Infact I think the Rainbow children is a just another bad album in a list of growing bad albums by Prince.
Lets face it there is seldom a Great Prince album... ie 75% or more of the songs that one woudl actually put on one's own "greatest hits prince cd/md/tape"
Rainbow Children is a noticable departure in Prince music tho... it is his first MAINLY JAZZ album... this tho doesnt excuse the turkey currently known as Rave Un2 / In2 the Joy Fantastic or the overly sparse One Night Alone or the one-dimensional The Truth albums.
And all those nutter FANatics who flame people just cuz they don't like someone's criticism of a Prince album... I think they don't understand criticism per se.
I think we r learning now more than ever that Prince needs something / one as an editor / executive producer with him.
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Reply #26 posted 10/24/02 5:35am

CrozzaUK

when i come to make prince compilations, i find it hard to choose songs of this album as i think it is prince's most "album" album if that makes sense.

I enjoy all the songs, and i think this album comes across brilliantly live, but i dont feel you can seperate them from one another like you could with previous albums. In a way it is the polar opposite album to Rave Un2...as that just sounded like a collection of ok / good songs, but as an album it failed on every level.
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Reply #27 posted 10/24/02 5:36am

n3vermind

Yes indeed TRC is not a great album in my book, infact it's not even a good one. I agree with Persian on almost everything he says and with the tread starter. I know that the last 10 years, when I have heard of a new prince record coming out I'm there and I'll spend the next week non-stop getting to like his albums. However albums like RTC and NewPowerSoul never ever got played after the first week again.

Does this mean I'm dissing Prince and threatning to not be a fan? Or even worse does this mean that I am not a "TRUE" fan? Most of you reply to this thread with "damn a stupid thread" "shut up already" and comments like it because god orbid we the fans would have to acknowledge that Prince has made some really crappy music in his life time. Granted the big majority of his work is brilliant but damn he has crashed and burned as well lately more than ever before.

Yes I am a fan and yes I dare to say that Prince has made crap music through the years IMO!

ps: Going to his concert in Aalborg tonight woooeeeiii!
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Reply #28 posted 10/24/02 5:55am

Thecherryloon

n3vermind said:

Yes indeed TRC is not a great album in my book, infact it's not even a good one. I agree with Persian on almost everything he says and with the tread starter. I know that the last 10 years, when I have heard of a new prince record coming out I'm there and I'll spend the next week non-stop getting to like his albums. However albums like RTC and NewPowerSoul never ever got played after the first week again.

Does this mean I'm dissing Prince and threatning to not be a fan? Or even worse does this mean that I am not a "TRUE" fan? Most of you reply to this thread with "damn a stupid thread" "shut up already" and comments like it because god orbid we the fans would have to acknowledge that Prince has made some really crappy music in his life time. Granted the big majority of his work is brilliant but damn he has crashed and burned as well lately more than ever before.

Yes I am a fan and yes I dare to say that Prince has made crap music through the years IMO!

ps: Going to his concert in Aalborg tonight woooeeeiii!


Hope you enjoy the crap music he'll be playing tonight!
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Reply #29 posted 10/24/02 6:25am

jonisinging

I don't understand, why so many people r hating on TRC. I think it's his best record since "Gold", the production is lovely and there is a special, warm sound to this record, that "Rave" (oh my god, how bad this 1 was!) neva had.
And as far as the lyrical content is concerned: i rather have him talking in a very straight and confessional way about his beliefs than just to adress a very uncertain spirituality no 1 can relate to or no 1 can reject,

"help me, i think i'm falling!"
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