KidaDynamite said:

Nope: That's the absolute truth! And that's the least of what he used to do on stage. Prince was completely over the edge back then, which is why (I suspect) you can't get him to comment on his past these days. Every moment of his act back then was completely Triple-X Rated (and extremely Homo-Erotic). People were so shocked by what they saw in "Purple Rain"? Pul-eeeze! Prince had already tamed down by that time. You would have had to have caught him LIVE, pre-Controversy days, to know what I mean.

Did you think he was gay?

Jeffiner said:

It certainly appeared that way at the time. Moreover, he seemed to be making no excuses or apologies for it as well. In fact, he seemed to be sort of rubbing it in your face, while daring you to say something.

His clothes! His hair! He don't care! It's all about being there!!!!!

Jeffiner said:

It certainly appeared that way at the time. Moreover, he seemed to be making no excuses or apologies for it as well. In fact, he seemed to be sort of rubbing it in your face, while daring you to say something.

PDogz said:

You've stated an extremely relevant point, one that I have always respected and found to be such an important factor of what makes Prince quite special!!

He dosn't make excuses for what he does, and has never seemed that he should explain himself for how he is!

His clothes! His hair! He don't care! It's all about being there!!!!!

mentalist said:

Which is why I've taken up permanent residence in Uptown!

That's very interesting, I love your signature btw

What impression do you have of him now, he seems to have changed so much from those days - think that it's still there just underneath the surface, you think he still has a push and pull thing going on? Sorry for all the questions, you just sound so knowledgable!!

PDogz said:

What impression do you have of him now, he seems to have changed so much from those days - think that it's still there just underneath the surface, you think he still has a push and pull thing going on? Sorry for all the questions, you just sound so knowledgable!!

Jeffiner said:

I welcome your questions, and am always happy to share my opinion. I realize I'm one of the few "Old Headz" on here that actually experienced Prince from the beginning. But The Org is full of knowledgeable folks that I learn from all the time.

I think Prince probably has plenty more tricks up his sleeve that he intends to surprise the world with. With his ever changing spirit, I suspect before it's all said and done, Prince will branch out into some completely different direction than what we would expect from him, and that he'll excel at whatever that may turn out to be. Like become a world-class painter, novelist, or gourmet chef or something.

But of course Music is a part of his DNA, so I'm also certain that he'll be turning out more gems that will turn out to be our favorite songs of the future; songs that will touch hearts and get booties shaking. But I don't expect that he'll ever go back to being anything that he already was in the past. I think he's too "Been There, Done That - Got The T-Shirt".

Jeffiner said:

Thanks! Ok,

Prince has always portrayed and eminated an extremely rare sense of confidence strongly evident from even well before he was realising his fame and starting to play a part in an industry where you can express yourself a bit easier!

Society all over the world has never openly accepted or been kind to those who dare to be different, or even make the slightest effort to understand or encourage those that attempt to express their own individuallity! Instead the masses comfort themselves in false securities by conforming to traditions, opinions and allowing themselves to be molded by commercialism.

The shallow and fickle fashion industry dictates what you must wear if you want to look amazing and look better than everyone else, only to tell you a month or so later that you shouldn't be seen dead in it!!! Faux Pas!!!

Those that do dare are practically guaranteed to attract attention and be singled out, judged, labelled and pigeonholed into convenient groups who will then most likely be alienated. Opinions will be formed on pre-conceptions primarily based on image resulting in unfounded judgements enforced - with no regard or consideration that under the clothes, hair, make-up etc. is another human being - a real live person - that has feelings, emotions, a conscience and wants to be loved just the same as anyone!

Want they all seem to want though, is to be left alone!

Punks, Goths, Gays, Emo's, Transvestites, Glam Rockers, Cyber/industrial/alternatives, Those who are heavily pierced, tattoo'ed etc. Even something as simple as guys that wear makeup and nail varnish! They all attract negative attention by the masses that don't understand, which then insights ridicule and hatred!

It is because of this that I have no doubt (just an opinion) that there are more people on this planet that suppress their feelings of expression through fear of the ridicule and opinions imposed upon them!!!

PRINCE however has always has potrayed himself though, to the point that he seems oblivious that this type of behaviour could actually exsist (although I'm sure he's not).

Prince has this fantastic faith and belief in himself and seems to follow his instinct and be ruled and persuaded by his own opinion.

He has never followed or promoted fashion trends, or wear anything considered pret-a-porter.

It seems that the only thought that Prince has on what he will and wont wear is simply "If I like it and I want to wear it, thats the only opinion I need!"

His confidence in himself, especially his sexuality, also fuels his expressive nature and flamboyancy. Clothes do not make the man! He dosn't think twice about wearing high heels, lycra hipsters, self support stockings, knee high suede boots, crop tops, frills, lace, crochet etc etc, because to him - at the end of day it just gets taken off to leave the man underneath! No excuses!

A very interesting point that may be worth pondering over for a bit is that in nature it is the male of the species that is the colourful and flamboyant as a necessity to attract its mate.

We are one of the only species that seems to work the other way around! Perhaps Prince is actually one of the few that has got it right!!!

wildgoldenhoney said:

His entire set was about 45 minutes or so of complete mayhem and frenzy!

When you first entered the Coliseum, there was no curtain and everything was setup at the front edge of the stage: mic-stands, keyboards, and very few other props. The drum set was in the middle of the stage placed up on a little riser with an oval-shaped sign over it (which was first covered in canvas) that had "PRINCE" spelled out in lights, as in the logo on his 1979 "Prince" album. Everybody was just standing around, jamming to the pre-concert music that they play over the system, smoking joints, grooving, and basically waiting for Rick James.

No one really knew who Prince was yet. In fact, I thought we were about to see a band called "Prince For You" (the title of his first album). I didn't know yet that Prince was an individual and not just the name of a band. I thought certainly that no one would be actually named "Prince".

Then… BAMM! The lights went out, and you could make out 3 shadowy figures move onto the stage, and then stood with their backs to the audience. The rest of the band took their place, and all you could hear over the sound system was someone speaking in a low, sort of foreboding tone: “Char-lotte! Are you ready for me?”

The drum roll hit, the stage lights came up, and Andre, Prince, and Dez turned and all charged about 4 or 5 steps toward the audience – and everybody freaked the Hell out! These guys looked scary as shit! The one in the middle (who I soon learned was Prince) had this spiky hairdo, full make-up, a pink leather motorcycle jacket, panties, black stockings, and pumps! The audience reaction was pure fright! Then Prince reached around to his back, pulled his guitar around to the front, then the whole band started jamming “Sexy Dancer”, and the crowd quickly got over their fright and started rocking to the music and jamming along - all hands were in the air. By the end of that first song, everybody was like: “Oh shit! This guy AIN’T playing!” The party was ON full blast!

Their play list consisted of songs from his first two albums, but the song they did that most sticks out in my mind is when they played “Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?”, because Prince was ad-libbing a lot. Like:

Why you wanna treat me so bad? Is it the clothes I wear?
Why you wanna treat me so mean? Is it the style of my hair?

But what completely blew people away was when they played their encore: “I Wanna Be Your Lover”.

Prince went mad, threw off that cool ass pink leather jacket, peeled off his stockings, threw them at the audience, and was running around the stage jamming to the beat with nothing but his guitar, bikini underwear, and high-heeled boots (with little stars on the side). And then once he was done jacking-off the microphone (as if he were giving it head - Prince was a real whore on stage back then), tossed his guitar to the side, reached his hand down into his panties to cover his dick, and pulled his panties all the way down to his knees, gyrating toward the audience with only his hand covering his dick! WTF!!! The audience was going crazy! At the end of his set, Prince said “Damn Charlotte, we’re gonna have to come back here again soon!” And that was it! I was a stoned-cold Prince fan! I started telling people about Prince the next day!

At that point, everybody was standing around like they had completely forgot about Rick James. But the roadies came out and moved all of Prince’s stuff off stage, the sign over the drums came apart into two pieces and they removed that. But what really tripped me out was once all of Prince’s equipment was off stage, they removed the backdrop that was behind Prince’s set, and you could see that the stage was actually HUGE and that Prince had only been setup right up at the front. There was a giant curtain hanging behind all of that. After several more moments of getting everything set up, the lights dimmed again, the music started, the curtain opened up, and there you could see that this stage was about a mile wide and a mile deep! This was Rick James’s stage!

Rick came out, and The King of Punk Funk reminded you of what you came here for! His show was awesome, but I’ll save it for another thread. But it was interesting to note that many people in the audience started moving out, because at least initially, Rick was no comparison to what we had all just seen out there! Don’t get me wrong, Rick tore the roof off that sucker, but it was hard to stop thinking about what we had just seen Prince do out there.

Rick’s show was about 2 hours long, and the Stoned City Band succeeded in funking us to death! The show was actually exhausting! I remember thinking “How in the Hell can they do this every night, and from town to town?” Ahh, the memories!

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Jeffiner said:

Thanks! Ok,

Prince has always portrayed and eminated an extremely rare sense of confidence strongly evident from even well before he was realising his fame and starting to play a part in an industry where you can express yourself a bit easier!

Society all over the world has never openly accepted or been kind to those who dare to be different, or even make the slightest effort to understand or encourage those that attempt to express their own individuallity! Instead the masses comfort themselves in false securities by conforming to traditions, opinions and allowing themselves to be molded by commercialism.

The shallow and fickle fashion industry dictates what you must wear if you want to look amazing and look better than everyone else, only to tell you a month or so later that you shouldn't be seen dead in it!!! Faux Pas!!!

Those that do dare are practically guaranteed to attract attention and be singled out, judged, labelled and pigeonholed into convenient groups who will then most likely be alienated. Opinions will be formed on pre-conceptions primarily based on image resulting in unfounded judgements enforced - with no regard or consideration that under the clothes, hair, make-up etc. is another human being - a real live person - that has feelings, emotions, a conscience and wants to be loved just the same as anyone!

Want they all seem to want though, is to be left alone!

Punks, Goths, Gays, Emo's, Transvestites, Glam Rockers, Cyber/industrial/alternatives, Those who are heavily pierced, tattoo'ed etc. Even something as simple as guys that wear makeup and nail varnish! They all attract negative attention by the masses that don't understand, which then insights ridicule and hatred!

It is because of this that I have no doubt (just an opinion) that there are more people on this planet that suppress their feelings of expression through fear of the ridicule and opinions imposed upon them!!!

PRINCE however has always has potrayed himself though, to the point that he seems oblivious that this type of behaviour could actually exsist (although I'm sure he's not).

Prince has this fantastic faith and belief in himself and seems to follow his instinct and be ruled and persuaded by his own opinion.

He has never followed or promoted fashion trends, or wear anything considered pret-a-porter.

It seems that the only thought that Prince has on what he will and wont wear is simply "If I like it and I want to wear it, thats the only opinion I need!"

His confidence in himself, especially his sexuality, also fuels his expressive nature and flamboyancy. Clothes do not make the man! He dosn't think twice about wearing high heels, lycra hipsters, self support stockings, knee high suede boots, crop tops, frills, lace, crochet etc etc, because to him - at the end of day it just gets taken off to leave the man underneath! No excuses!

A very interesting point that may be worth pondering over for a bit is that in nature it is the male of the species that is the colourful and flamboyant as a necessity to attract its mate.

We are one of the only species that seems to work the other way around! Perhaps Prince is actually one of the few that has got it right!!!

Please tell us more!! You've got me wondering what I've missed pre-Controversy days.

wildgoldenhoney said:

His entire set was about 45 minutes or so of complete mayhem and frenzy!

When you first entered the Coliseum, there was no curtain and everything was setup at the front edge of the stage: mic-stands, keyboards, and very few other props. The drum set was in the middle of the stage placed up on a little riser with an oval-shaped sign over it (which was first covered in canvas) that had "PRINCE" spelled out in lights, as in the logo on his 1979 "Prince" album. Everybody was just standing around, jamming to the pre-concert music that they play over the system, smoking joints, grooving, and basically waiting for Rick James.

No one really knew who Prince was yet. In fact, I thought we were about to see a band called "Prince For You" (the title of his first album). I didn't know yet that Prince was an individual and not just the name of a band. I thought certainly that no one would be actually named "Prince".

Then… BAMM! The lights went out, and you could make out 3 shadowy figures move onto the stage, and then stood with their backs to the audience. The rest of the band took their place, and all you could hear over the sound system was someone speaking in a low, sort of foreboding tone: “Char-lotte! Are you ready for me?”

The drum roll hit, the stage lights came up, and Andre, Prince, and Dez turned and all charged about 4 or 5 steps toward the audience – and everybody freaked the Hell out! These guys looked scary as shit! The one in the middle (who I soon learned was Prince) had this spiky hairdo, full make-up, a pink leather motorcycle jacket, panties, black stockings, and pumps! The audience reaction was pure fright! Then Prince reached around to his back, pulled his guitar around to the front, then the whole band started jamming “Sexy Dancer”, and the crowd quickly got over their fright and started rocking to the music and jamming along - all hands were in the air. By the end of that first song, everybody was like: “Oh shit! This guy AIN’T playing!” The party was ON full blast!

Their play list consisted of songs from his first two albums, but the song they did that most sticks out in my mind is when they played “Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?”, because Prince was ad-libbing a lot. Like:

Why you wanna treat me so bad? Is it the clothes I wear?
Why you wanna treat me so mean? Is it the style of my hair?

But what completely blew people away was when they played their encore: “I Wanna Be Your Lover”.

Prince went mad, threw off that cool ass pink leather jacket, peeled off his stockings, threw them at the audience, and was running around the stage jamming to the beat with nothing but his guitar, bikini underwear, and high-heeled boots (with little stars on the side). And then once he was done jacking-off the microphone (as if he were giving it head - Prince was a real whore on stage back then), tossed his guitar to the side, reached his hand down into his panties to cover his dick, and pulled his panties all the way down to his knees, gyrating toward the audience with only his hand covering his dick! WTF!!! The audience was going crazy! At the end of his set, Prince said “Damn Charlotte, we’re gonna have to come back here again soon!” And that was it! I was a stoned-cold Prince fan! I started telling people about Prince the next day!

At that point, everybody was standing around like they had completely forgot about Rick James. But the roadies came out and moved all of Prince’s stuff off stage, the sign over the drums came apart into two pieces and they removed that. But what really tripped me out was once all of Prince’s equipment was off stage, they removed the backdrop that was behind Prince’s set, and you could see that the stage was actually HUGE and that Prince had only been setup right up at the front. There was a giant curtain hanging behind all of that. After several more moments of getting everything set up, the lights dimmed again, the music started, the curtain opened up, and there you could see that this stage was about a mile wide and a mile deep! This was Rick James’s stage!

Rick came out, and The King of Punk Funk reminded you of what you came here for! His show was awesome, but I’ll save it for another thread. But it was interesting to note that many people in the audience started moving out, because at least initially, Rick was no comparison to what we had all just seen out there! Don’t get me wrong, Rick tore the roof off that sucker, but it was hard to stop thinking about what we had just seen Prince do out there.

Rick’s show was about 2 hours long, and the Stoned City Band succeeded in funking us to death! The show was actually exhausting! I remember thinking “How in the Hell can they do this every night, and from town to town?” Ahh, the memories!

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Why cant there be more threads and posts like this, this brings back memories of stuff I have not read in over 20 yrs, thanks for sharing Pdog

wildgoldenhoney said:

His entire set was about 45 minutes or so of complete mayhem and frenzy!

When you first entered the Coliseum, there was no curtain and everything was setup at the front edge of the stage: mic-stands, keyboards, and very few other props. The drum set was in the middle of the stage placed up on a little riser with an oval-shaped sign over it (which was first covered in canvas) that had "PRINCE" spelled out in lights, as in the logo on his 1979 "Prince" album. Everybody was just standing around, jamming to the pre-concert music that they play over the system, smoking joints, grooving, and basically waiting for Rick James.

No one really knew who Prince was yet. In fact, I thought we were about to see a band called "Prince For You" (the title of his first album). I didn't know yet that Prince was an individual and not just the name of a band. I thought certainly that no one would be actually named "Prince".

Then… BAMM! The lights went out, and you could make out 3 shadowy figures move onto the stage, and then stood with their backs to the audience. The rest of the band took their place, and all you could hear over the sound system was someone speaking in a low, sort of foreboding tone: “Char-lotte! Are you ready for me?”

The drum roll hit, the stage lights came up, and Andre, Prince, and Dez turned and all charged about 4 or 5 steps toward the audience – and everybody freaked the Hell out! These guys looked scary as shit! The one in the middle (who I soon learned was Prince) had this spiky hairdo, full make-up, a pink leather motorcycle jacket, panties, black stockings, and pumps! The audience reaction was pure fright! Then Prince reached around to his back, pulled his guitar around to the front, then the whole band started jamming “Sexy Dancer”, and the crowd quickly got over their fright and started rocking to the music and jamming along - all hands were in the air. By the end of that first song, everybody was like: “Oh shit! This guy AIN’T playing!” The party was ON full blast!

Their play list consisted of songs from his first two albums, but the song they did that most sticks out in my mind is when they played “Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?”, because Prince was ad-libbing a lot. Like:

Why you wanna treat me so bad? Is it the clothes I wear?
Why you wanna treat me so mean? Is it the style of my hair?

But what completely blew people away was when they played their encore: “I Wanna Be Your Lover”.

Prince went mad, threw off that cool ass pink leather jacket, peeled off his stockings, threw them at the audience, and was running around the stage jamming to the beat with nothing but his guitar, bikini underwear, and high-heeled boots (with little stars on the side). And then once he was done jacking-off the microphone (as if he were giving it head - Prince was a real whore on stage back then), tossed his guitar to the side, reached his hand down into his panties to cover his dick, and pulled his panties all the way down to his knees, gyrating toward the audience with only his hand covering his dick! WTF!!! The audience was going crazy! At the end of his set, Prince said “Damn Charlotte, we’re gonna have to come back here again soon!” And that was it! I was a stoned-cold Prince fan! I started telling people about Prince the next day!

At that point, everybody was standing around like they had completely forgot about Rick James. But the roadies came out and moved all of Prince’s stuff off stage, the sign over the drums came apart into two pieces and they removed that. But what really tripped me out was once all of Prince’s equipment was off stage, they removed the backdrop that was behind Prince’s set, and you could see that the stage was actually HUGE and that Prince had only been setup right up at the front. There was a giant curtain hanging behind all of that. After several more moments of getting everything set up, the lights dimmed again, the music started, the curtain opened up, and there you could see that this stage was about a mile wide and a mile deep! This was Rick James’s stage!

Rick came out, and The King of Punk Funk reminded you of what you came here for! His show was awesome, but I’ll save it for another thread. But it was interesting to note that many people in the audience started moving out, because at least initially, Rick was no comparison to what we had all just seen out there! Don’t get me wrong, Rick tore the roof off that sucker, but it was hard to stop thinking about what we had just seen Prince do out there.

Rick’s show was about 2 hours long, and the Stoned City Band succeeded in funking us to death! The show was actually exhausting! I remember thinking “How in the Hell can they do this every night, and from town to town?” Ahh, the memories!

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if i had been there i wouldn't have know where 2 look

PDogz, you have blown my little mind. Thanks for the posts, I can see it. Awesome shit. Thanks for sharing!