As far as Krazie's comments on P and black women; His points are valid. Very. I've spoke on this several times on here in various threads. Me being a black cat who has dated black, white, latin and oriental women in my life do think P has an issue with black women. Always have. He has shown this MANY times, I feel. In his lyrics and visually. I know Vanity and Susan, although they have some other things in their blood, they are essentially, black women. Jill Jones, although bi-racial, is black. That's what she considers herself. My opinion is that P is and always has been color struck. I don't trip off of anyone who prefers a certain race to fuck with. That's their biz. BUT Prince as an artist and as a BLACK artist, he has to be sensitive to the shit that he does regarding black women. And he hasn't been. His lyrics to Ice Cream Castles says it all where he's coming from. Not cuz he's talking about inter racial love. So what? But it's the shit he says about black girls tripping cuz he's into a white girl. He refers to them as "mad sistas, why can't they realize?" That's kinda deep. While I was recording with Morris, he mentioned something about Ice Cream Catles and I said that I always liked the music and melody to the song. Which is true. Morris himself said he wasn't too keen on singing that line refering to black women. But P wouldn't change it. See Rick James dated all races of women too BUT Rick always represented when it came to black women. Because he was aware of not alienating black women. He didn't want them to feel slighted. Where I feel P went out of his way to do that. Especially in the 80's. Many black women turned on P after UTCM. That was the second leading lady to star as his love interest that was non black. Then again in this whack ass movie with Ingrid. His message is clear. Sure, I know Vanity was to star in PR but he could have easily got another hot looking black woman that resembled Vanity if he REALLY wanted to. Whatever.

Sure, I know Vanity was to star in PR but he could have easily got another hot looking black woman that resembled Vanity if he REALLY wanted to. Whatever.

blackguitaristz said:

Agreed. I know he has dated black women, but he seems to have an issue with us.
And that sucks because alot of his supporters are. black. women. A hell of alot of them.

ToraToraDreams said:

Didn't one of his latest most popular videos feature a black woman ToraToraDreams? Black Sweat? TGREBS featured a black woman, Robin Power was his girlfriend in real life after GB, Vanity was a black woman wasn't she? I could probably go on.... I think he's just multi cultural

ToraToraDreams said:

Didn't one of his latest most popular videos feature a black woman ToraToraDreams? Black Sweat? TGREBS featured a black woman, Robin Power was his girlfriend in real life after GB, Vanity was a black woman wasn't she? I could probably go on.... I think he's just multi cultural

ToraToraDreams said:

Didn't one of his latest most popular videos feature a black woman ToraToraDreams? Black Sweat? TGREBS featured a black woman, Robin Power was his girlfriend in real life after GB, Vanity was a black woman wasn't she? I could probably go on.... I think he's just multi cultural

I guess I am the only one that like the movie then.

For the comments about Prince and black women, remember interacial couples are very common from where Prince come from. Also have we overlooked all the black women who Prince has around him now?

Jeffiner said:

Jeffiner, in my long ass pst, I mentioned Vanity, Susan and Jill, who are all black. I KNOW he dated Robin and he dated Nona Gaye, Marvin's daughter. I never stated that he never dated a black woman. I commented on how he chooses to represent them.

blackguitaristz said:

Hi Blackguitaristz! Yeah, I understand what you were saying there too, but remember he whacked Appollonia (I can never remember how to spell that), threw a white? woman in a 'dumpster' thingy, had Ingrid going off for a 3some with The Time! Etc etc. So, I'm not sure that any of it was very politically correct

fantasticjoy said:

i speak for me.. him dating black women wasnt the issue... it's how they are treated in his movies .... you cant say it's positive or was some healthy respect going on there.. and alot you orgers kinda 'skipped' over that..

As far as Krazie's comments on P and black women; His points are valid. Very. I've spoke on this several times on here in various threads. Me being a black cat who has dated black, white, latin and oriental women in my life do think P has an issue with black women. Always have. He has shown this MANY times, I feel. In his lyrics and visually. I know Vanity and Susan, although they have some other things in their blood, they are essentially, black women. Jill Jones, although bi-racial, is black. That's what she considers herself. My opinion is that P is and always has been color struck. I don't trip off of anyone who prefers a certain race to fuck with. That's their biz. BUT Prince as an artist and as a BLACK artist, he has to be sensitive to the shit that he does regarding black women. And he hasn't been. His lyrics to Ice Cream Castles says it all where he's coming from. Not cuz he's talking about inter racial love. So what? But it's the shit he says about black girls tripping cuz he's into a white girl. He refers to them as "mad sistas, why can't they realize?" That's kinda deep. While I was recording with Morris, he mentioned something about Ice Cream Catles and I said that I always liked the music and melody to the song. Which is true. Morris himself said he wasn't too keen on singing that line refering to black women. But P wouldn't change it. See Rick James dated all races of women too BUT Rick always represented when it came to black women. Because he was aware of not alienating black women. He didn't want them to feel slighted. Where I feel P went out of his way to do that. Especially in the 80's. Many black women turned on P after UTCM. That was the second leading lady to star as his love interest that was non black. Then again in this whack ass movie with Ingrid. His message is clear. Sure, I know Vanity was to star in PR but he could have easily got another hot looking black woman that resembled Vanity if he REALLY wanted to. Whatever.

12) Graffiti Bridge could have been a relative success if it was released in 1986 when he was still big

blackguitaristz said:

Agree with everything you said.This isn't an easy topic to address,but I think you hit the nail on the head.

SoulAlive said:

No, it isnt an easy subject, but it's real .. and yes Prince loves all colors that was never the issue .. just questionable stereotypical stuff he allowed in his movies..

I think this film is the worst thing P has ever done. I simply think it's whack. (yes, I said the word "whack") I saw it the night it came out and I thought it was whack as hell then. I was shocked it was so bad. I've seen it since and I feel the same.

ToraToraDreams said:

Didn't one of his latest most popular videos feature a black woman ToraToraDreams? Black Sweat? TGREBS featured a black woman, Robin Power was his girlfriend in real life after GB, Vanity was a black woman wasn't she? I could probably go on.... I think he's just multi cultural

SoulAlive said:

No, it isnt an easy subject, but it's real .. and yes Prince loves all colors that was never the issue .. just questionable stereotypical stuff he allowed in his movies..

fantasticjoy said:

i speak for me.. him dating black women wasnt the issue... it's how they are treated in his movies .... you cant say it's positive or was some healthy respect going on there.. and alot you orgers kinda 'skipped' over that..

Flowerz said:

I posted a link that I hope people will check out to get a better understanding of what we're talking about. It's an uneasy topic because it's kind of a dirty little open secret that we normally only discuss amongst ourselves but I think it's a good topic for discussion where his art is concerned.

Maybe people just want more threads about his shoe size or his rear end?

Jeffiner said:

Black Sweat would be the video where the girl gets too wild and he ends it by giving her distainful looks, right?

TGRES would be the one where he romances the girl, impregnates her, turns his back to her and allows her to fall away from him, right?

Robin Power wrote a looong, painfully detailed thread here last year where she directly addressed the issue. I ain't about to dig up that hot mess!

In the end, It's not about questioning his personal preferences which is no one's business. It isn't even about other races of women. What Krazie and BG are talking about is how his being color-struck, (a dynamic within our community), expresses itself in his work. It's something that has affected every post slavery generation to various degrees. Here's a link with a quick read if you would like to familiarize yourself with this syndrome.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/..._only.html

I don't want to get this moved to P&R so I'll take a moment to comment on Grafitti Bridge, the movie,..

I've watched the movie several times because I really wanted to get where Prince was trying to go with it. As near as I can figure, its a highly stylized, or to use Vainandy's term "artsy-fartsy", rock opera type of film where the main theme is that the Kid becomes increasingly angry and discouraged in his fight against worldliness as represented by Morris and his gang. In the midst of his despair an angel appears and through her loving intervention and eventual demise manages to help the Kid find redemption and bring about reconcilliation of the warring parties. However, close ups of Prince's lovely eyes and a great soundtrack wasn't enough to salvage a film that suffered from a lack of professional acting and directing, a convoluted script and cartoonish sets.

I still don't think it's as bad as people say though and I like GB despite the flaws. I've seen supposedly professional film makers do worse . Besides, I think the overall message of the movie is a good one.

Strange, am I the only one that has watched Prince's movies laid back with a cookie and not even thinking about black, white, maltreatment whatever. I just enjoyed the good music, laughed at some bad scenes, tingled at the goodlooking scenes and then went on with life.

Weren't his movies meant for that?

Besides, what if he prefers the Latin look. We all prefer something.
Lot's of white girls here love only black guys or Indonesian guys.

babynoz said:

interesting post, I have just read the link as well, but i think from growing up in europe, it is very difficult to understand exactly the deepness that is felt in america on this topic, I personally have many friends from direct african accent and many other cultures as well and naturally the discussions often come up about colour and racism, not to mention religion, but i do think, that Prince expresses neutrality, coz if he didnt, i would definately not be a fan of him

babynoz said:

I am sorry I disagree with your link. Prince has stated repeatedly that he wanted his music to appeal to all races to be able to market himself worldwide and to that extent has included different races in his videos. I don't think he views himself as superior because of his color. His song "Beautiful, loved and blessed" says it all.