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Reply #30 posted 10/22/02 8:52am

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well, at least this discussion is pointless as far as his current literature influence is concerned. As he claims himself, now he reads only the Bible.


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Reply #31 posted 10/22/02 8:55am

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I recall reading a thread on Moby's web board mentioning Dorothy Parker, and someone else replying to mention The Ballad of Dorothy Parker. Perhaps this was very ignorant of me, but I always thought the name was made up by Prince until I read that post. Apparently she was a literary figure, and it was probably not a coincidence that Prince chose that name.

I'm afraid I don't have any details about her, but I'm sure a google search would bring up some info.

according to DMSR (the per nilson book) prince did make up the name dorothy parker. when susannah (who knew of the literary figure) asked him about it he had never heard of her. maybe he heard the name somewhere and just decided to use it in a song.
now as for peter gabriel, that's another story! you mean to tell me he has never heard of barry williams (aka greg brady)??!! lol
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Reply #32 posted 10/22/02 8:56am

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UptownDeb said:

When Purple Rain came out, reviewers were comparing it to Citizen Kane. Never saw CK so, I'm not sure about the similarities.


Sounds like a contrasting of great movies, CITIZEN KANE and crappy hack jobs: PURPLE RAIN.
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Reply #33 posted 10/22/02 9:46am

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Chacmool said:

I recall reading a thread on Moby's web board mentioning Dorothy Parker, and someone else replying to mention The Ballad of Dorothy Parker. Perhaps this was very ignorant of me, but I always thought the name was made up by Prince until I read that post. Apparently she was a literary figure, and it was probably not a coincidence that Prince chose that name.

I'm afraid I don't have any details about her, but I'm sure a google search would bring up some info.

according to DMSR (the per nilson book) prince did make up the name dorothy parker. when susannah (who knew of the literary figure) asked him about it he had never heard of her. maybe he heard the name somewhere and just decided to use it in a song.
now as for peter gabriel, that's another story! you mean to tell me he has never heard of barry williams (aka greg brady)??!! lol

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Reply #34 posted 10/22/02 9:50am

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"Citizen Kane" reference from movie critic:
"Where are all those people who called this "the Citizen Kane of rock movies" hiding?"

-- Ken Hanke, MOUNTAIN XPRESS (ASHEVILLE, NC)



"CK" reference--although unrelated to "Purple Rain--from the man himself:
"This record is very personal to me," he says about Emancipation, a 36-song, three-hour-long epic. "I got everything out of my system with it. When I wrote it, I was a free man and a happy man and a clear man. You'll hear much more clarity and joy in it." But was a triple album really necessary? "I let the music dictate what I want," says the Artist. "Citizen Kane is a long movie; maybe this is my Citizen Kane. I've got nobody to answer to now. This is one of the most satisfying things I've ever done."
--Time.com, NOVEMBER 25, 1996 VOL. 148 NO. 24
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Reply #35 posted 10/23/02 8:21am

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To the half a dozen or so who are already getting their knickers in a twist over the possibility that a rock-star can pick up a book just as easily as he can pick up a guitar, I have this to say:

If you are taking any of this seriously, then you're a bigger fool than I am.

Let's just try to have fun with this,ok?

The 'Glan Slam Ulysses' production conceived by Prince in 1993 was definitely inspired by Homer's classic The Odyssey. It was a very loose translation of the original Greek epic by Homer from the 700s BC. The Odyssey tells the story of Ulysses' voyage home to the island of Ithaca and his wife Penelope after a 10-year absence, during which he fought in the Trojan War and was kept prisoner by the sea nymph Calypso. "Ulysses" is his name in Latin. In the original Greek it was "Odysseus".

The show, which premiered at the Glam Slam in Los Angeles, was divided into 13 scenes, each with its own song:
The Ship: "Strays Of The world"; Lotus Land: "Dolphin"; The Cyclops: "Interactive"; Circe: "Pheromone"; Penelope: "Dark"; Hades: "Loose!"; The Sirens: "Space"; Scylla: "What's My Name"; Calypso: "Endorphinmachine"; The Suitors; "Race"; The Trojan Horse: "Come"; The Homecoming: "Strays Of The World"; The Celebration: "Pope".

Most 'Glam Slam Ulysses' versions of the songs are different from or longer than what appeared on the album "Come".

If I wanted to scrape the barrel, then I would also point to the fact that the overall design of "Graffiti Bridge" owed a great deal to "West Side Story". "Graffiti Bridge" would, in fact, have made a hugely entertaining musical, as opposed to the stillborn motion picture it turned out to be.


As for whoever claimed to have spotted similarities between "Citizen Kane" and "Purple Rain", I can only advise them to come off whatever hallucinogenic substance they are on as quickly as possible. It cannot be good for their health...


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Reply #36 posted 10/23/02 10:52am

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laurarichardson said:

Stop being a snob!!! I read a poem in English lit that used a Dafidil as a symbol of a man's love. I do not recall the name of the poem or the poet but, Lovesexy was out at the time and Prince is sitting on top of a dafidil and I always belived this came from the sybolism in the poem. If I recall the poem I will come back and add more.
The image of either love or sex being represented by a flower is not new e.g. William Blake. However, just as with The Ballad of Dorothy Parker, there is no evidence to suggest that the imagery Prince used (or bought into) here was in any way influenced by a piece of literature. Indeed, I'd be interested to see the evidence that it was Prince who suggested this imagery on the Lovesexy cover - as distinct from an idea from the artist who designed the album cover.

Oh - and by the way - it isn't a daffodil on the album cover.
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Reply #37 posted 10/25/02 4:35am

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If you have the traduction, mailing me.

Pues claro que Prince y la literatura están muy unidos.He leido mil versiones de sus canciones en español e incluso las malas tienen algo de bello.
Joder, un espíritu sensible siempre tiene que estar interesado e inspirado por la literatura,la filosofia,la historia...las "letras" en general, supongo que se habrá hablado mil veces de esto, pero no está de más recordarlo de vez en cuando.Os recuerdo que Prince daba sesiones poéticas en Paisley Park hace años...no sé si lo seguirá haciendo todavía...Ah! y que me decís de su inspiración y los comocs? y la cienciaficción? y el cine? Todo esto forma parte de su vida... (y como me alegro de ello)
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Reply #38 posted 10/25/02 6:47am

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Dorthy Parker wasn't some fictional charector made up in Prince crazy World of Women. She actually was a poet in the mid thirties who known to be one the wittiest poet of all time. I had read some of her poems, and I don't know if it was just me, but I can see the silmilarities in her writings compared to Prince, You should pick up a copy of any of her books. It's good Literture
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Reply #39 posted 10/26/02 6:20am

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langebleu said:

laurarichardson said:

Stop being a snob!!! I read a poem in English lit that used a Dafidil as a symbol of a man's love. I do not recall the name of the poem or the poet but, Lovesexy was out at the time and Prince is sitting on top of a dafidil and I always belived this came from the sybolism in the poem. If I recall the poem I will come back and add more.
The image of either love or sex being represented by a flower is not new e.g. William Blake. However, just as with The Ballad of Dorothy Parker, there is no evidence to suggest that the imagery Prince used (or bought into) here was in any way influenced by a piece of literature. Indeed, I'd be interested to see the evidence that it was Prince who suggested this imagery on the Lovesexy cover - as distinct from an idea from the artist who designed the album cover.

Oh - and by the way - it isn't a daffodil on the album cover.

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I did not say the image of love or sex was new or invented by Prince. I know this is a image that has been in literature for centuries. I think Prince or the photograper may have taken the idea from literature. I read that the photograper came up with the idea for the Lovesexy cover and that Prince had to be talked into during it.
What is the flower on the front of the cover of Lovesexy?
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Reply #40 posted 10/26/02 7:10am

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has prince read james joyce?
i don't know, but the only other place besides 'the exodus has begun' that i've come across the word 'spatchcock' (spatchcocks in blackface offer us pennies...) is in joyce's ulysses.
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