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Printableviewaskew said: Whitnail said: The Rainbow Children Many focus on the lyrical content, which I personally think is a mistake, first and foremost comes music, and musically this album is fascinating, like a gourmet stew or goulash. What are your views?, lets take time and discuss  I think it's a mistake to tell people that focusing on the lyrics is a mistake. Most people remember a lyric & will quote a lyric than they will a guitar solo. On the whole, the record is a piece of shit propaganda. How would some feel if someone set some of Hitler's speeches to music? "Well, golly...that's some pretty hateful talk but the drums are funky." Oh wait, nevermind because black people had it harder than the millions of people who were gassed to death or sent to an oven. Freaking sheep.  this is a ridiculous hyperbole. | |
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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: wildgoldenhoney said: So far, so good! But let me re-read it!  reread as many times as you like, dear!   Boy, I've learned so much! I had to read it carefully this time! Search for true love? Hey that's a running theme in my life too...
Seriously, I love this report! And... Hey, where are the other reports you did? 
I'm still waiting! | |
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drcoldchoke said: PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: I liked it so much I wrote an academic paper about it.
 I would really like to read that Peace&Love. Lyrically week ????? Where exactly someone tell me??? I can understand if peoples beleifs dont coincide with the lyrical content, but how can you call it week? I find the imagery and concepts conjured up to be fascinating. I feel its fresh and daring and CONTROVERSIAL to boldy sing his views, the bro got conviction, and the world would be a much better place if more people had conviction. Lyrically week? Maybe he preaching to the deaf, go nod ya heads to some Kylie. 
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wildgoldenhoney said: PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: reread as many times as you like, dear! Boy, I've learned so much! I had to read it carefully this time! Search for true love? Hey that's a running theme in my life too...
Seriously, I love this report! And... Hey, where are the other reports you did?
I'm still waiting! I'll send you the whole shebang by email, if you like! | |
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Disgusting, hateful album.
It makes me sick! | |
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Still remains his one of his most interesting records, and certainly his best since TGE, if not before that.
I don't find the lyrics a turn off, in fact, it was, and remains, such a breath of fresh air to hear Prince sing about something with a bit of passion, gusto and yes, even venom. It sure beats the same recycled unsexy come on's like 'Hot Wit' U' or 'Black Sweat' or icky, flacid cookie-cutter ballads like 'Extraordinary' or 'Satisfied', ad nauseum. I like Planet Earth for a lot of the same things - PE is much more a fitting successor to TRC than Musuckology or 3121 were - Chelsea Rodgers, Lion Of Judah, All The Midnights, SHOE, the title track, etc have much more in common with the 2001/2 period than these previous two releases which related much more to the pre-TRC, post-WB period (  ) | |
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NouveauDance said: Still remains his one of his most interesting records, and certainly his best since TGE, if not before that.
I don't find the lyrics a turn off, in fact, it was, and remains, such a breath of fresh air to hear Prince sing about something with a bit of passion, gusto and yes, even venom. It sure beats the same recycled unsexy come on's like 'Hot Wit' U' or 'Black Sweat' or icky, flacid cookie-cutter ballads like 'Extraordinary' or 'Satisfied', ad nauseum. I like Planet Earth for a lot of the same things - PE is much more a fitting successor to TRC than Musuckology or 3121 were - Chelsea Rodgers, Lion Of Judah, All The Midnights, SHOE, the title track, etc have much more in common with the 2001/2 period than these previous two releases which related much more to the pre-TRC, post-WB period ( )don't you think, though, that "reflection" belongs to the same ilk as "planet earth" or "resolution?" | |
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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: don't you think, though, that "reflection" belongs to the same ilk as "planet earth" or "resolution?"
Maybe - I'm not saying every track on TRC/PE is brilliant and Musicology/3121 are completely worthless - just a broad stroke
Like 'Get On The Boat' is one of his happy-clapper JW tracks, but IMO, it's And 'Mellow' does little for me, I almost always skip it on TRC. | |
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NouveauDance said: Like 'Get On The Boat' is one of his happy-clapper JW tracks, but IMO, it's And 'Mellow' does little for me, I almost always skip it on TRC.Ah, while we're hairsplitting, let's say "Get on the boat" is a James Brown-turned-JW production, like "The Work." | |
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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: viewaskew said: I think it's a mistake to tell people that focusing on the lyrics is a mistake. Most people remember a lyric & will quote a lyric than they will a guitar solo. On the whole, the record is a piece of shit propaganda. How would some feel if someone set some of Hitler's speeches to music? "Well, golly...that's some pretty hateful talk but the drums are funky." Oh wait, nevermind because black people had it harder than the millions of people who were gassed to death or sent to an oven. Freaking sheep. this is a ridiculous hyperbole. Not for anyone who understands the meaning of the word hyperbole. The album is full of anti-Semitic lyrics & juvenile assertions that the struggle of blacks in America, as tragic a blight on this country's history as it was, was THE struggle of all time. Now, that's ridiculous. And yet that's exactly what Prince does with TRC & what a lot of you people excuse in the name of "funk." Yeah, there's plenty of interesting music on the album, more interesting music than he'd produced in years, but songs are half about the music, half about the lyrics. Otherwise, they'd be called instrumentals. With such venomous, racist, misogonystic lyrics, you are either completely daft or completely brainwashed to ignore the dogmatic hatred & sense of superiority coming out of that album. Except on tracks like "Wedding Feast," which is just pure, unrepetant crap served out of Prince's musical rectum. [Edited 1/11/08 4:51am] | |
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viewaskew said: PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: this is a ridiculous hyperbole. Not for anyone who understands the meaning of the word hyperbole. The album is full of anti-Semitic lyrics & juvenile assertions that the struggle of blacks in America, as tragic a blight on this country's history as it was, was THE struggle of all time. Now, that's ridiculous. And yet that's exactly what Prince does with TRC & what a lot of you people excuse in the name of "funk." Yeah, there's plenty of interesting music on the album, more interesting music than he'd produced in years, but songs are half about the music, half about the lyrics. Otherwise, they'd be called instrumentals. With such venomous, racist, misogonystic lyrics, you are either completely daft or completely brainwashed to ignore the dogmatic hatred & sense of superiority coming out of that album. Except on tracks like "Wedding Feast," which is just pure, unrepetant crap served out of Prince's musical rectum. [Edited 1/11/08 4:51am] Well, I don't believe anything Prince says on TRC is half as hateful as your two posts in this thread. | |
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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: viewaskew said: Not for anyone who understands the meaning of the word hyperbole. The album is full of anti-Semitic lyrics & juvenile assertions that the struggle of blacks in America, as tragic a blight on this country's history as it was, was THE struggle of all time. Now, that's ridiculous. And yet that's exactly what Prince does with TRC & what a lot of you people excuse in the name of "funk." Yeah, there's plenty of interesting music on the album, more interesting music than he'd produced in years, but songs are half about the music, half about the lyrics. Otherwise, they'd be called instrumentals. With such venomous, racist, misogonystic lyrics, you are either completely daft or completely brainwashed to ignore the dogmatic hatred & sense of superiority coming out of that album. Except on tracks like "Wedding Feast," which is just pure, unrepetant crap served out of Prince's musical rectum. [Edited 1/11/08 4:51am] Well, I don't believe anything Prince says on TRC is half as hateful as your two posts in this thread. Well, then I'm afraid you're not too intelligent. The original post asked our opinions. And I don't like the album. I believe Prince is capable of doing more musically & was once less narrow-minded & bigoted in what he presented with his work & I said no more & no less than that on this thread. It's clear that Prince believes that the struggle of black people is the be all & end all struggle of human history, which is narrow-minded & ignorant of what other cultures have endured. He also presents his arguments in a very juvenile way, which I'm guessing is acceptable for you? I said & would say nothing that would shortchange the struggle of blacks in America, as it is and was a travesty, but I don't care for the kindergarten mentality he presents his opinions in. I don't care for the fact that he sees women as servants to men. I consider it hypocritical that he can believe that women are inferior to men, but fish aren't inferior to people. If you consider that to be hateful, you're too far gone with the abuse of the purple kool aid to bother with anyway. | |
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viewaskew said: PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: Well, I don't believe anything Prince says on TRC is half as hateful as your two posts in this thread. Well, then I'm afraid you're not too intelligent. The original post asked our opinions. And I don't like the album. I believe Prince is capable of doing more musically & was once less narrow-minded & bigoted in what he presented with his work & I said no more & no less than that on this thread. It's clear that Prince believes that the struggle of black people is the be all & end all struggle of human history, which is narrow-minded & ignorant of what other cultures have endured. He also presents his arguments in a very juvenile way, which I'm guessing is acceptable for you? I said & would say nothing that would shortchange the struggle of blacks in America, as it is and was a travesty, but I don't care for the kindergarten mentality he presents his opinions in. I don't care for the fact that he sees women as servants to men. I consider it hypocritical that he can believe that women are inferior to men, but fish aren't inferior to people. If you consider that to be hateful, you're too far gone with the abuse of the purple kool aid to bother with anyway. I just find your manner of thinking very reductive; especially given the fact that you feel the need to insult people with whom you disagree. I don't see the world in black & white; TRC's "woman" is symbolic anyway, if you take a look at the Biblical precedent for it (Gen. 3:15, to Revelation). Good luck in your future analyses! | |
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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: viewaskew said: Well, then I'm afraid you're not too intelligent. The original post asked our opinions. And I don't like the album. I believe Prince is capable of doing more musically & was once less narrow-minded & bigoted in what he presented with his work & I said no more & no less than that on this thread. It's clear that Prince believes that the struggle of black people is the be all & end all struggle of human history, which is narrow-minded & ignorant of what other cultures have endured. He also presents his arguments in a very juvenile way, which I'm guessing is acceptable for you? I said & would say nothing that would shortchange the struggle of blacks in America, as it is and was a travesty, but I don't care for the kindergarten mentality he presents his opinions in. I don't care for the fact that he sees women as servants to men. I consider it hypocritical that he can believe that women are inferior to men, but fish aren't inferior to people. If you consider that to be hateful, you're too far gone with the abuse of the purple kool aid to bother with anyway. I just find your manner of thinking very reductive; especially given the fact that you feel the need to insult people with whom you disagree. I don't see the world in black & white; TRC's "woman" is symbolic anyway, if you take a look at the Biblical precedent for it (Gen. 3:15, to Revelation). Good luck in your future analyses! Excuse me, but as far as the insults go, I only ever give when I get. Religion is an intensely personal affair. The more open-minded, Dirty Mind era Prince used to understand that. TRC era Prince does not. And you have no proof whatsoever that "TRC's woman" is symbolic. And symbolic of what? Prince's worldview of how men are inferior to God & women are inferior to man? Put away your Bible. It's not the book that everyone goes by. And as far as my manner of thinking being reductive, yeah I dismiss fanatics such as yourself outright, as there is clearly no point in arguing with you. It's like trying to use a pickup line on a department store mannequin. Pointless. | |
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His last true masterpeice but one which will not be recognised as being such for at least another 30 years. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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viewaskew said: Most people remember a lyric & will quote a lyric than they will a guitar solo.
Hmm, I'm one of those that can articulate most guitar solos that I like. Even the little fills. Lyrics aren't something I tend to remember. Ask my wife and she'll tell you how I quite happily sing words that make no sense whatsoever. Which some people seem to think sums up the Rainbow Children 
I like the album. It's preachy but lots of things are. It's his album so let him sing what he likes. Some of the songs are quite funky'ish. Some seem out of place with the lyrical content. But hey, it beats happy clapping or Christian Rock (apart from Cartman's of course). And how many songs can you think of that include the word 'smorgasbord'? I like the way Prince has created an almost balearic collection throughout his career. It gives me good choice. Good head would be preferable but hey... Hee! Describe the worst head you've ever been given. "Fucking wonderful!" | |
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viewaskew said: PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: this is a ridiculous hyperbole. Not for anyone who understands the meaning of the word hyperbole. The album is full of anti-Semitic lyrics & juvenile assertions that the struggle of blacks in America, as tragic a blight on this country's history as it was, was THE struggle of all time. Now, that's ridiculous. newsflash ...prince is black ..prince is black ..and he writes from a black man's point of view of life in this world so perhaps u can't understand that point and feel that the lyrics on TRC reflect that of an anti semetic point of view. btw not trying 2 turn this in2 a politics religion forum thread man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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viewaskew said: PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: I just find your manner of thinking very reductive; especially given the fact that you feel the need to insult people with whom you disagree. I don't see the world in black & white; TRC's "woman" is symbolic anyway, if you take a look at the Biblical precedent for it (Gen. 3:15, to Revelation). Good luck in your future analyses! Excuse me, but as far as the insults go, I only ever give when I get. Religion is an intensely personal affair. The more open-minded, Dirty Mind era Prince used to understand that. TRC era Prince does not. And you have no proof whatsoever that "TRC's woman" is symbolic. And symbolic of what? Prince's worldview of how men are inferior to God & women are inferior to man? Put away your Bible. It's not the book that everyone goes by. And as far as my manner of thinking being reductive, yeah I dismiss fanatics such as yourself outright, as there is clearly no point in arguing with you. It's like trying to use a pickup line on a department store mannequin. Pointless. No, I've written a scholarly paper (am revising it hopefully for publication) on the subject and yes, I can back up my opinion. As for the symbolism of God's woman, it means a kingdom = new world with a new government... carries on with Prince's long-time utopian fixations. (incidentally, the advisor on my masters is one of the top pop cultural experts in this country) | |
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Personally, I love TRC. I do think some of the lyrics are terrible, but the music is pure genius. I love the vibe and his guitar playing is awesome. Some of the lyrics are bullshit and can be too preachy, but I was blown away with the music and still am. I wish he would make more albums like this (without the whack lyrics) rather than the pop stuff he's been doing lately. | |
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No, I've written a scholarly paper (am revising it hopefully for publication) on the subject and yes, I can back up my opinion.
Hey PeaceandLoveCowgirl won't Prince sue yo' ass if you publish something about him without his consent?!!!!! You might not like the taste but I'm still gonna stick your face in this FUNK | |
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LondonSusan said: No, I've written a scholarly paper (am revising it hopefully for publication) on the subject and yes, I can back up my opinion.
Hey PeaceandLoveCowgirl won't Prince sue yo' ass if you publish something about him without his consent?!!!!! he can talk to my lawyer. uh, when i get one.  | |
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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said:[quote] viewaskew said: (incidentally, the advisor on my masters is one of the top pop cultural experts in this country) Woopedy doo. Really. You're writing about Prince for your homework. People have done the same for many pop culture figures & events. Doesn't make them experts. Just gets them a grade. Here's a question for you. What's the most negative thing you can say about Prince? [Edited 1/11/08 10:24am] | |
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I love this album in several ways. Although I don't believe or even agree with the majority of the lyrics on this album, they can hardly be called 'weak'. If you want weak lyrics there is always Planet Earth.
The musicianship is wonderful. I love Blackwell's drums and Prince's guitar playing is beautiful. Not too keen on Najee's sax, but hey. The production is really warm and organic (I'm just praying for more of this), especially after Rave.... Yet, the main reason why I think it works for me is that Prince believed in what he was saying and doing with that album - whether I do or not is immaterial. I too have played this album to non Prince fans who are not into his more famous material and several have gone out and bought it. I regularly play it and all the way through too - then I put on the Vegas DVD and watch that too
His best work for a long long time in my opinion. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: viewaskew said: Not for anyone who understands the meaning of the word hyperbole. The album is full of anti-Semitic lyrics & juvenile assertions that the struggle of blacks in America, as tragic a blight on this country's history as it was, was THE struggle of all time. Now, that's ridiculous. newsflash ...prince is black ..prince is black ..and he writes from a black man's point of view of life in this world so perhaps u can't understand that point and feel that the lyrics on TRC reflect that of an anti semetic point of view. btw not trying 2 turn this in2 a politics religion forum thread Prince is black? No kidding!? Prior to his "conversion" that was rarely an issue. The lyrics are obviously anti-Semitic & if that's part of being a JW, & you still celebrate that as a black man, you're just as misguided as he is. | |
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viewaskew said: L4OATheOriginal said: newsflash ...prince is black ..prince is black ..and he writes from a black man's point of view of life in this world so perhaps u can't understand that point and feel that the lyrics on TRC reflect that of an anti semetic point of view. btw not trying 2 turn this in2 a politics religion forum thread Prince is black? No kidding!? Prior to his "conversion" that was rarely an issue. The lyrics are obviously anti-Semitic & if that's part of being a JW, & you still celebrate that as a black man, you're just as misguided as he is. now that is THE TRUTH! | |
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Whitnail said: Many focus on the lyrical content, which I personally think is a mistake, first and foremost comes music
You think? I could never bop my head as easily to "There's a new theocratic order" then I could to "If we cannot make babies, maybe we can make some time" somehow. Dunno what it is. Maybe cuz the entire focus of the album is one that curses non-jehova witnesses to hell and it seems that along the way they seem to re-write their god's holy word to suit their own purpose, which seems to be not to administer logic to their lives. But hey, if you're into that, be my guest; bop your head to "Holocaust aside, many lived and died But when all truth is told, would U rather be dead or be sold? Sold 2 the one who can now mate The displaced bloodline with the white jailbait Thinkin' like the keys on Prince's piano will be just fine" 
"Totally tripping." Hearing those lyrics for the first time angered me. And they still do. What a load of bullshit. It totally taints the 'musical' experience of it all. Probably something to do with my interferons. If I wanna hear some ignorant git preach dumb-ass 'wisdom', I would just refert back to christianity, thank you. Weird American cults. |
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I also dig the Rainbow Children:
it showcased Prince addressing serious issues in the world, including racism, the notion of good versus evil, as well as exploring love which always fascinated him and human sexuality; musically, it is as explorative as sign of the times...raw musicianship. [Edited 1/12/08 10:16am] | |
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I have gone thru the lyrics of Muse, and I must say, I fail to see what is Anti semitic about it. The way it is worded, is abit obscure, but I think he is actually recognising it and not trying to deny it or belittle it. He is using it as an example of how strongly he feels about slavery and the loss of identity. I somehow cant imagine Prince being anti semitic, it would be abit counter productive, but it can be interpreted that way as well, however it would be plain stupid to convey such thoughts and put them into print and I cant imagine Prince being so narrow minded and un-educated on the subject. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
"True to his status as the last enigma in music, Prince crashed into London this week in a ball of confusion" The Times 2014 | |
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Whitnail said: I have gone thru the lyrics of Muse, and I must say, I fail to see what is Anti semitic about it. The way it is worded, is abit obscure, but I think he is actually recognising it and not trying to deny it or belittle it. He is using it as an example of how strongly he feels about slavery and the loss of identity. I somehow cant imagine Prince being anti semitic, it would be abit counter productive, but it can be interpreted that way as well, however it would be plain stupid to convey such thoughts and put them into print and I cant imagine Prince being so narrow minded and un-educated on the subject.
Yeah if you say so Prince hates jews, gays and views women as inferior to men | |
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fcukthepolice said: Whitnail said: I have gone thru the lyrics of Muse, and I must say, I fail to see what is Anti semitic about it. The way it is worded, is abit obscure, but I think he is actually recognising it and not trying to deny it or belittle it. He is using it as an example of how strongly he feels about slavery and the loss of identity. I somehow cant imagine Prince being anti semitic, it would be abit counter productive, but it can be interpreted that way as well, however it would be plain stupid to convey such thoughts and put them into print and I cant imagine Prince being so narrow minded and un-educated on the subject.
Yeah if you say so Prince hates jews, gays and views women as inferior to men I see another thread of mine is heading for P&R
I always remember my grandfather telling me never discuss Sex, Politics or Religion in a pub, oddly, it is the only thing we ever talk about these dayz If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
"True to his status as the last enigma in music, Prince crashed into London this week in a ball of confusion" The Times 2014 | |
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