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Thread started 01/13/08 9:18am

optimus

I Would Die 4 U - is it viewpoint of Christ? or Prince?

I Would Die 4 U is that song meant 2 be from the viewpoint of Jesus Christ? or is it Prince sayin hes the messiah? confused
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
4 those who want 2 go
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Reply #1 posted 01/13/08 9:22am

Doozer

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Just one of dozens of songs Prince has written that has a different meaning depending on how you listen to it. It's not Prince comparing himself to nor posing as Jesus.
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Reply #2 posted 01/13/08 9:31am

Efan

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It's from the viewpoint of Christ. He's not saying he himself is the messiah.
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Reply #3 posted 01/13/08 9:45am

optimus

Doozer said:

Just one of dozens of songs Prince has written that has a different meaning depending on how you listen to it. It's not Prince comparing himself to nor posing as Jesus.

thanks 4 the reply i just was intrested thats all
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
4 those who want 2 go
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Reply #4 posted 01/13/08 9:46am

optimus

Efan said:

It's from the viewpoint of Christ. He's not saying he himself is the messiah.

ok thanks i was just intrested thats all ofcourse with his recent behaviour i wouldnt be suprised if he did think he was the messiah smile
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
4 those who want 2 go
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Reply #5 posted 01/13/08 9:50am

fcukthepolice

christ unfortunately. More religious drival
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Reply #6 posted 01/13/08 10:24am

Flowerz

it's just a man who's deeply in love with a woman .. who'd die for her..
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Reply #7 posted 01/13/08 10:30am

ToraToraDreams

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He is probably singing from the point of view of Christ. But I always thought it would be neat if he was singing as pure, deep, love. Which could be the same thing, depending on your point of view. I mean, love is suppose to be this great, rich, purifying thing that can save you.
Does that make sense?
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Reply #8 posted 01/13/08 11:02am

BorisFishpaw

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It's sung from the viewpoint of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).

The chorus's are from Jesus' point of view, and each verse is sung from the
perspective of a different part of the trinity (a concept that Prince's viewpoint
has changed about since becoming a Jehovah's Witness).

The first verse is from God's point of view:
(not a woman or man, but ready to forgive)

The second verse is from Jesus' point of view:
(a person, but not a lover or a friend... instead, your messiah)

The third verse is from the Holy spirit's point of view:
(a dove... conscience and love)
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Reply #9 posted 01/13/08 11:09am

optimus

ToraToraDreams said:

He is probably singing from the point of view of Christ. But I always thought it would be neat if he was singing as pure, deep, love. Which could be the same thing, depending on your point of view. I mean, love is suppose to be this great, rich, purifying thing that can save you.
Does that make sense?

yes it does make sense thanks 4 ur point of view mate very intrestin - Peace
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
4 those who want 2 go
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Reply #10 posted 01/13/08 11:12am

ToraToraDreams

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BorisFishpaw said:

It's sung from the viewpoint of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).

The chorus's are from Jesus' point of view, and each verse is sung from the
perspective of a different part of the trinity (a concept that Prince's viewpoint
has changed about since becoming a Jehovah's Witness).

The first verse is from God's point of view:
(not a woman or man, but ready to forgive)

The second verse is from Jesus' point of view:
(a person, but not a lover or a friend... instead, your messiah)

The third verse is from the Holy spirit's point of view:
(a dove... conscience and love)
.

Oh, cool. I never noticed that verse transition before. You're sharp.
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Reply #11 posted 01/13/08 11:14am

optimus

BorisFishpaw said:

It's sung from the viewpoint of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).

The chorus's are from Jesus' point of view, and each verse is sung from the
perspective of a different part of the trinity (a concept that Prince's viewpoint
has changed about since becoming a Jehovah's Witness).

The first verse is from God's point of view:
(not a woman or man, but ready to forgive)

The second verse is from Jesus' point of view:
(a person, but not a lover or a friend... instead, your messiah)

Thanks very much i know who ill msg if i ever get puzzled by a prince song, thanks man

The third verse is from the Holy spirit's point of view:
(a dove... conscience and love)
.
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
4 those who want 2 go
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Reply #12 posted 01/13/08 11:45am

LaLaLaHeeHeeHe
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thread appreciated. reading through the responses makes me realise how deep some Prince fans are, and ... how much some of us share perspectives. i agree with what is shared above, and also add that Prince sees himself as a special person, almost fulfilling a Christ-like role ... what comes to my mind is that one still image of him singing Purple Rain in the Rave Un2 video, if y'all can remember.

as for I Would Die 4 U ... definitely the theme is used to highlight an intense kind of love for a loved one.
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Reply #13 posted 01/13/08 12:28pm

mozfonky

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nothing mysterious, it's a common ploy of rockstars to take on the messianic role, this is Prince's version.
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Reply #14 posted 01/13/08 2:09pm

wlcm2thdwn

I don't think it's either, just a song from a movie.
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Reply #15 posted 01/13/08 5:36pm

Tame

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In the original the passage that precedes , "I would die 4 U" is:

"I'm not a woman, I'm not a man, I am something that you'll never understand, no need to worry, no need to cry, I'm your Messiah..."

Later, Prince changes the words to "He's your Messiah." So the truth of weather or not Prince is the Messiah, is in His honest answer of why He did that."

And, the song "Sexuality," also breeds the idea that Prince could be...and the study continues.
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #16 posted 01/13/08 6:03pm

NouveauDance

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Tame said:

In the original the passage that precedes , "I would die 4 U" is:

"I'm not a woman, I'm not a man, I am something that you'll never understand, no need to worry, no need to cry, I'm your Messiah..."

Later, Prince changes the words to "He's your Messiah." So the truth of weather or not Prince is the Messiah, is in His honest answer of why He did that."

And, the song "Sexuality," also breeds the idea that Prince could be...and the study continues.

stickpoke skull
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Reply #17 posted 01/13/08 7:28pm

DigMeNow

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[Edited 3/4/08 1:42am]
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Reply #18 posted 01/13/08 7:39pm

ToraToraDreams

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wlcm2thdwn said:

I don't think it's either, just a song from a movie.

I would like to give Prince more credit than that as a song writer. confused
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Reply #19 posted 01/14/08 5:21am

Tame

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NouveauDance said:

Tame said:

In the original the passage that precedes , "I would die 4 U" is:

"I'm not a woman, I'm not a man, I am something that you'll never understand, no need to worry, no need to cry, I'm your Messiah..."

Later, Prince changes the words to "He's your Messiah." So the truth of weather or not Prince is the Messiah, is in His honest answer of why He did that."

And, the song "Sexuality," also breeds the idea that Prince could be...and the study continues.

stickpoke skull

What is that all about....By process of elimination....Prince doesn't make the "No" list.
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #20 posted 01/14/08 5:40am

Jeffiner

confuse I thought he heard his Dad say it when he was a child? He told this to Albert Magnoli, and that's why the line was used in PR. I thought the song was about that....
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Reply #21 posted 01/14/08 5:49am

viewaskew

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It's from the viewpoint of Christ. He's not saying he himself is the messiah.


Well, then...why is it one of the many songs he often changes the lyrics to to spiritually sanitize them? "I'm your messiah & you're the reason why" was changed to "He's your messiah..."

This is much like what he did with "The Cross," rewriting it as "The Christ" or even the absurd changes he made to "I Feel For You." It could have been left alone as a rocking sort of devotional song with no tedious religious overtones (people in relationships often view each other as their "saviors" or "messiahs"), but no, Prince can't even leave the Jeebus out of "Purple Rain."
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Reply #22 posted 01/14/08 6:17am

syble

where have you heard these edits+ is it one recently rereleased material? Ive never heard these
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Reply #23 posted 01/14/08 7:01am

ToraToraDreams

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syble said:

where have you heard these edits+ is it one recently rereleased material? Ive never heard these

In concert starting w/ the purple rain tour.
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