lspear76 said:

Since you are surely suggesting that you can...which culture class would I fall into? I enjoy the hell out of Bach and Chopin...Tupac and Snoop Dogg!

NastradumasKid said:

So what makes rap and hip hop so great? A rap or hip hop artist could be compared to Cole Porter? Stevie Wonder? Sly? To my educated and enlightened self, it seems like it is "ten steps backwards for humanity." Nothing good has ever come to society from rap or hip hop, only the lowering of standards which people accept as "good music." Book that.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

[Snip - luv4u]

lspear76 said:

There you go again generalizing again

Look you're acting really ridiculous right now....

NastradumasKid said:

Explain to me why hip hop is not a step back for humanity when compared to acts of the past?
[Edited 1/2/08 11:55am]

lspear76 said:

Oh yeah then I must be low class to Considering the fact that I never lived in the "ghetto" "hood" or wahtever .

lspear76 said:

Really? So what you are saying is that regardless of what else I may enjoy, the simple fact that I do enjoy hip hop makes me "low class".

Thanks for clearing that up and especially showing us YOUR level of class!

lspear76 said:

No. you. can't.
You are being ignorant and stereotyping.
Who are to say what is real music? Who are you to be an authority on class or intellegence? Especially if you are basing it on what type of music people listen to? I listen to rap. And classical music. And Japanese pop. And soul. And blues. And hip hop. And r & b. And jazz. What does that make me, honey? What a way to think!

Class doesn't mean shit, anyway. "high class" people cheat on thier spouses, lie steal and do God knows what else. Some of the classiest, nicest seeming people "opera listening" people in the world ain't noting but rich trash. my dad and oldest brother been around them. Don't get me wrong, some of them are angels. But others...shoot.

You are very prejudiced person, and that's just sad.

lspear76 said:

You act like All rap is like that and it really isn't...

ToraToraDreams said:

I never said rich people don't lie, cheat, or steal. You don't have a very good understand of class structure. There is no denying that opera listeners fall into the high culture, and listeners of popular music fall into popular culture. Open up any introductory sociology book and you'll see. And you are sad yourself for thinking someone who says hip hop is low class is a "prejudiced" person. Maybe you are right, i'm prejudiced against BAD MUSIC and UNTALENTED performers. [Snip - luv4u]
[Edited 1/2/08 12:05pm]

NastradumasKid said:

I have idea!!!

lspear76 said:

Yeah, I could compare some of them to Stevie, etc. Some rappers make wonderful, intelligent, clever lyrics that speak to people. I just recently got into music a year ago, and checking out the classic rappers is a trip. There are other members who know way more than me and could articulate it better than me, though.

ToraToraDreams said:

Comparing Stevie Wonder to NAS is like comparing Woody Allen to Michael Bay.

lspear76 said:

So is Common a "low class" rapper?

NastradumasKid said:

[Snip - luv4u]

actually rap is very clever - when it's done well.
i'm not a big fan tho, does tht make me 'upper class'?
when p does a bit of rappin, hey! it's cool! it's prince! it has a dizzy style all of it's own..
btw, uk royalty prince willy loves a bit of rapping. he's a big fan of all tht low class ghetto stuff

lspear76 said:

No. no. You said people are low class if they listen to rap music. You said they were the the lowest denomenator or the like. You said SBO was low class. You pre judged some one due to the music they enjoy.
Tell me what is this mystical "high culture" you speak of? Is all one must do to enter it listening to music. Wow! That is amazing.

lottielooloo1968 said:

Some lyrics might be clever, but that doesn't make it music. Anyone can write clever lyrics. I can sit here and write a book but that doesn't make me Dostoevsky.

lspear76 said:

So I'm low class huh? So you must consider I play a sterotypical black child also?

ToraToraDreams said:

I'll say it again. People who enjoy, listen, or support hip hop music are either:

1. Idiots
2. Low Class
3. Unintelligent

I also feel the same about people who watch network tv and follow shows like American Idol. Society as a whole has been devalued and people in general have become less intelligent and don't expect enough from their art. One look at the top movie box office can tell you that. The National Treasure sequel is the #1 movie in America! What does that tell ya? That the masses are quite stupid and too easily pleased.

NastradumasKid said:

[Snip - luv4u]. So as Prince said to Kevin Smith, "if the shoe fits..."

lspear76 said:

Anyone CAN'T write clever lyrics. Or just plain GOOD lyrics. Theres more to rap than cleverness. Though its an often seen trait.
And sure you can write a book, lots do, but is it any good?

NastradumasKid said:

I'll show you high class NastradumasKid.



There you go. You see, no chains, no gold teeth, no pants down below my a$$. [Snip - luv4u]
[Edited 1/2/08 12:19pm]

lspear76 said:

lspear76 said:

Oh yeah I must be an idiot, low class, or unintelligent right?

Let's be real music in general(not just rap) can be unintelligent and you and your pusedo intellect is vexxing me to the point of insanity.
[Edited 1/2/08 12:23pm]

lspear76 said:

Hmm, I've certainly made a judgment about you

lspear76 said:

my teengers must b retards then...& i guess u must b superior 2 'the masses'

lspear76 said:

Let's get something straight my friend I'm not a boy okay a tomboy two I dress for sucess. And yeah I don't spell very well however, I don't worry about correcting my grammar at this point...

NastradumasKid said:

Don't take it so personally. Just do some research, read some books, and see reality for what it is... At your age it's not really your fault. Just like the kids who love Hannah Montana and the people who flock to the hellavision to watch American Idol. Those people are ignorant. Once you grow and experience other things, you'll be able to put hip hop and rap in its rightful place... in the trash.

ToraToraDreams said:

Well I's a gone' get me summa dat dere magik oparah muzik so's I's can b's all high n' fulootin 2!