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Thread started 12/30/07 10:03pm

Efan

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So, it's illegal to have Prince's music on your computer?

Prince isn't mentioned in this article, but I thought it was interesting (and weird) enough to mention. Also, sorry if this should be in another forum, but it seemed to directly apply to Prince's music.

http://www.washingtonpost...00693.html

Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use
By Marc Fisher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 30, 2007; Page M05

Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

They're not kidding. In October, after a trial in Minnesota -- the first time the industry has made its case before a federal jury -- Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 to the big record companies. That's $9,250 for each of 24 songs she was accused of sharing online.
Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

As technologies evolve, old media companies tend not to be the source of the innovation that allows them to survive. Even so, new technologies don't usually kill off old media: That's the good news for the recording industry, as for the TV, movie, newspaper and magazine businesses. But for those old media to survive, they must adapt, finding new business models and new, compelling content to offer.

The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer.
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Reply #1 posted 12/30/07 11:31pm

udo

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Efan said:

Prince isn't mentioned in this article, but I thought it was interesting (and weird) enough to mention.


Of course it isn't illegal.
They make you believe that it is.
'Licensing'and other bla.
Don't believe the **AA.
The DMCA is very american yet unconstitutional in your jurisdiction.

You don't license content. You buy a copy.
Id you'd license the stuff they would provide you with a new disc/etc if the disc got scratched.
They don't.

Etc, etc.

In short: there's fair use.
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #2 posted 12/31/07 12:11am

Brendan

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What a bunch of knuckleheads, clinging to their portholes.

Can't stop those millions of illegally resold recordings that are happening all over the world, so try to put the fear of god into grandma's computer.

You know, I don't think I'll buy your product anymore, that'll erase any doubts regarding your desperate attempts at finding laws that'll support your profits.

And I'm sure that it's the rights of the artists that you have in mind, not your own survival.

[Note memo going out at the RIAA for all employees to remove their music purchases from their computer.]
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Reply #3 posted 12/31/07 1:04am

laurarichardso
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http://arstechnica.com/ne...ement.html

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It is about file sharing not having music on your computer.






Brendan said:

What a bunch of knuckleheads, clinging to their portholes.

Can't stop those millions of illegally resold recordings that are happening all over the world, so try to put the fear of god into grandma's computer.

You know, I don't think I'll buy your product anymore, that'll erase any doubts regarding your desperate attempts at finding laws that'll support your profits.

And I'm sure that it's the rights of the artists that you have in mind, not your own survival.

[Note memo going out at the RIAA for all employees to remove their music purchases from their computer.]
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Reply #4 posted 12/31/07 1:49am

prettymansson

it probably is to an extent..but who gives a F^%# ???!!! I sure dont !.. wink
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Reply #5 posted 12/31/07 3:18am

lspear76

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That's why I don't buy any music at all. Why should I support a corrupt organization? There isn't any music worth buying anymore, anyway. That goes for all bands, Prince or non-Prince. Music is dead.... ever listen to the radio or try to watch a music "video" channel? Since Viacom owns them all, they all have the same exact shows, just tailored to the demographic -- for example, a country music channel has "Trick My Truck" which is just like "Pimp My Ride" but it's for hillbillies. BET has a reality show that's like "The Hills" but it's with... all black people! Sad, sad, sad.
"Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?"
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Reply #6 posted 12/31/07 3:46am

RumAndRaisin

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its illegal to even think about prince
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Reply #7 posted 12/31/07 3:48am

RumAndRaisin

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RumAndRaisin said:

its illegal to even think about prince


ps:

doesent my lovely new larry gragham avater scare the hell outta you?

when you look at him imaging him shouting "Jerry Martiniiieee..." like on the rave dvd
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Reply #8 posted 12/31/07 5:12am

wlcm2thdwn

This has been going on for years, don't you listen to the news?
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Reply #9 posted 12/31/07 6:19am

lottielooloo19
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might as well trash our computers right now & go back 2 the stoneage neutral
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Reply #10 posted 12/31/07 4:45pm

Ifsixwuz9

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Efan said:[quote]Prince isn't mentioned in this article, but I thought it was interesting (and weird) enough to mention. Also, sorry if this should be in another forum, but it seemed to directly apply to Prince's music.

http://www.washingtonpost...00693.html

[quote]Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use
By Marc Fisher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 30, 2007; Page M05
{snipped}


I read this article in the early edition of the Sunday newspaper. And according to the RIAA technically it's illegal rip anybody's cd's to your computer or share files you have purchased. And a number of record companies have gone after people including -- Virgin Records of America, Capitol Records, Arista, Interscope, Warner Bros. Records, and UMG Recordings.
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Reply #11 posted 12/31/07 7:15pm

jacobpb

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Let 'em sing their Swan Song. nana headbang flipped off hug
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Reply #12 posted 01/01/08 2:24am

viewaskew

wlcm2thdwn said:

This has been going on for years, don't you listen to the news?


I listened to it once & gave that piece of shit CD away.

Oh you mean the real news....
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Reply #13 posted 01/01/08 2:26am

Brendan

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Absolutely. I appreciate that. I know their official stance. But I'm going to write satire that uses they're own exaggerated arguments. That's one way I keep from going totally insane.

Just because someone feels that they're right, feels that they're holy, doesn't give them the right to use any means necessary.

A lot of stupid shit gets used in court in cases, even against people who may ultimately be guilty.
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Reply #14 posted 01/01/08 2:43am

suomynona

If it is, I'm screwed.
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Reply #15 posted 01/01/08 3:56am

HamsterHuey

suomynona said:

If it is, I'm screwed.


Hehehe, that helped me remember I needed to re-arrange my purple folders. Lotta work. It's gotta be PURRRRfect.

I got folders for everything; albums/singles/non-album tracks/outtakes/live/related artists/mix tapes/videos and even a folder with collected pics (alot)

I would love to have a browse through your live and outtake folders...

mushy
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Reply #16 posted 01/01/08 5:03am

suomynona

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I would love to have a browse through your live and outtake folders... mushy

Actually, I don't have very many of those on my computer as I've gotten tired of listening to most of it. Most of it sounds the same to me. I mean, really... how many times can one stand to hear "Purple Rain" or "Let's Go Crazy" (with the new annoying "go go go" chant added to it). So I keep the good ones (like "Small Club" and "Undertaker") on the computer to share, and then the rest of it is in the vault. Most of the stuff I download anymore is uninspired/uninspiring. Don't get me wrong, there are still a few gems occasionally. I think I only kept about 10 tracks out of the entire 21 days in London. I didn't keep anything from the Vegas shows.

And before anyone starts tripping, that's Prince's fault he doesn't put this stuff up for sale on his site. I'd much rather PAY to have crystal clear versions of him covering Amy Winehouse than some "illegal" VG+ audience recording. Believe me, I'm always among those first in line with an open wallet when he actually makes new music available to us.
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Reply #17 posted 01/01/08 5:31am

HamsterHuey

suomynona said:

HamsterHuey said:

I would love to have a browse through your live and outtake folders... mushy

Actually, I don't have very many of those on my computer as I've gotten tired of listening to most of it. Most of it sounds the same to me. I mean, really... how many times can one stand to hear "Purple Rain" or "Let's Go Crazy" (with the new annoying "go go go" chant added to it). So I keep the good ones (like "Small Club" and "Undertaker") on the computer to share, and then the rest of it is in the vault. Most of the stuff I download anymore is uninspired/uninspiring. Don't get me wrong, there are still a few gems occasionally. I think I only kept about 10 tracks out of the entire 21 days in London. I didn't keep anything from the Vegas shows.

And before anyone starts tripping, that's Prince's fault he doesn't put this stuff up for sale on his site. I'd much rather PAY to have crystal clear versions of him covering Amy Winehouse than some "illegal" VG+ audience recording. Believe me, I'm always among those first in line with an open wallet when he actually makes new music available to us.


I am the same, mate. I just collect the good quality shows and outtakes, the rest goes down the bin. But I still keep it in one place; my pretty loaded external hard disc drive. I love to be able to put dozens of Purple Rains in one row and then select the most emotive one in a live playlist.

To me, seeing the O2 shows was like an affirmation of why Prince's albums hardly appeal to me; most his new albums contain OR one okay enough track (Resolution on Musicology) OR just one great track (Somewhere Here On Earth on Planet Earth).
His live choices of sonfgs were like his albums; quickly assembled without much attention to longevity. And indeed, how often can you spin the same arrangement? He been gogogo-ing on Let's Go Crazy for years. It seems his own idead and arrangement-pool's dried up and you just have to spin the re-working of The Dance to know what his problem is; too locked up in his own promo-loop for too long.

His tantrums and short attention span over the decades had an effect on me; I most of the times could not care less about his financial shit/his slavey. I loved his music when he was on a journey, I could tap into his searh for love, a night stand or his deity of choice. It became dull to me when he started preaching rules instead of possibilities.

But, to come back to the hard disc drive; Prince collectors are seemingly forced to use the same folders;

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Reply #18 posted 01/01/08 5:49am

suomynona

Sounds like we're on the same page with his career.

That said, customizing is fun, isn't it?

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Reply #19 posted 01/01/08 6:05am

HamsterHuey

suomynona said:

Sounds like we're on the same page with his career.

That said, customizing is fun, isn't it?



I love customizing. Is the reason why I am featured alot on these threads in this forum. And why I love posting pics of my entire playlists, hehehe.

When it comes to Prince, I got alot; playlists for his instrumentals, his live songs (is why I got it all still on drive), his guitar songs, his inspirational songs, a list with my personal faves (compiled to woo non-Prince fans), list with related artists, list with his ballads, my own Parade list with b-sides and outtakes, etc, etc
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Reply #20 posted 01/01/08 6:10am

Imago

It's illegal to type his name on your computer. And certainly ill advised to post it on a website.

Refer to him as $(+>
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Reply #21 posted 01/01/08 6:27am

HamsterHuey

Imago said:

It's illegal to type his name on your computer. And certainly ill advised to post it on a website.

Refer to him as $(+>


Jehovazilla?
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Reply #22 posted 01/01/08 6:34am

suomynona

Imago said:

Refer to him as $(+>

Oh, that's classic. evillol
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