blackguitaristz said: Let me add something else to this. P has always garnered respect from other known guitarists. Clapton to Santana to Van Halen to Vai to many others have all praised P as a guitaist. Anytime any known guitarist is interviewd, they are going to be asked what do they think of Prince as a guitarist. It happens way more times than not. Sometimes the guitarist may mention Prince on their own, giving praise. The reason for this is because P, being such a great performer and songwriter, P truly knows how to showcase his guitar strengths. He understands what impresses the common person on guitar. He does it in the studio and on stage. He understands and executes "flash". He knows when to use it and how to use it. If it's when to use a flurry of notes or a sustained vibrato or when to stretch his mouth open or to make the Hendrix face. It's all apart of his knowledge as a performer. And other performers all realize how great P is when it comes to this. This is something that he has over many other known guitarists. Is his flash and his sense of the dramatic. At times, it makes him appear better than others. And perhaps he is, because he knows how to employ this where others don't. Understand, P knows it's always about showmanship. The thing about P is that he's so much deeper than that as a guitarist though. His knack to grasp an array of styles is crazy. Jazz and blues, to play effectively, is not easy. Yet he does it with flair and style. Which cannot be fronted. Is he better than Robert Jonson or George Benson? Fuck no. But that's besides the point. Taken with ALL of what P does on the axe, along with simply being one of the greatest ever rhythm guitarists, it puts P in a different category.
Let me clarify when I mention is P better than Robert Johnson or George Benson, I'm soley speaking on is he a better blues or jazz guitarist, which he is certainly not. I can also ask is Benson or was Jonhson a better rock guitarist than Prince? And my answer would be Fuck no. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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ToraToraDreams said: blackguitaristz said: Because it's whitnail's thread, I'll post. Usually, I no longer post on these types because I've said this on here many times. I'm a musician, songwriter, producer and performer. I play guitar, bass, keyboards and drums. My main instrument is guitar and I'm primarily a lead guitarist. I've been playing over 3/4 of my life. Almost as long as I've been alive. As some of u know, I've actually played with P's childhood friends and musical cohorts Andre Cymone and Morris Day. And some folks on this site actually own some of my music. I have several influences as a guitarist and prince is certainly one of them. I've been told by many people that I'm good. And that's nice to hear. Me myself, I'll just say that I can definately play. That said, my perspective of P as a guitarist is really simple. P is a very good guitarist. P hasn't ever gotten the credit that he deserves on the instrument because of his other talents. P is such a showman and performer. One of the best ever, really. And then there's P's image, which has always gotten in the way of him being seen as a great guitarist. Most folks can't seperate his image from P, the musician. Other musicians can. BUT musicians don't make up a large percentage of the general public. The media certainly hasn't helped P's cause either. Choosing to focus on other elements of P. That said, comapring P to Hendrix or Vai or Van Halen or Scooby Doo is fruitless. Because it's all subjective. Everyone has their opinion on who are their favorites. And to me, it's all valid. Who's better is never valid. It's the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordon thing. U simply cannot compare those two because the fact is, they were BOTH great. P is an exceptional musician and killer shownan and singer who happens to be a very good guitarist. Period.
always know your shit, black, you alwayr know. Thats a good perspective/opinion. Kind words...thank u. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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More often than not, when discussions over arise as to the best guitarist, drummer, etc, it comes down to personal taste / popularity contest. As far as technique and skill goes then Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, most metal guitarists are in a league of their own. Prince probably wouldn't come near them.
As far as feel goes then Prince does quite well (in my opinion - see above), he's a very good rhythm guitarist. Does anyone put him above Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck or Jimi Hendrix, probably not too many (although I understand this is not really the discussion). As a popular artist, in a live context Prince does stand out these days. But I just think that in the last ten years, on his studio albums, I don't think there are too many songs that stand out as spectacular guitar playing. | |
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blackguitaristz said: Let me add something else to this. P has always garnered respect from other known guitarists. Clapton to Santana to Van Halen to Vai to many others have all praised P as a guitaist. Anytime any known guitarist is interviewd, they are going to be asked what do they think of Prince as a guitarist. It happens way more times than not. Sometimes the guitarist may mention Prince on their own, giving praise. The reason for this is because P, being such a great performer and songwriter, P truly knows how to showcase his guitar strengths. He understands what impresses the common person on guitar. He does it in the studio and on stage. He understands and executes "flash". He knows when to use it and how to use it. If it's when to use a flurry of notes or a sustained vibrato or when to stretch his mouth open or to make the Hendrix face. It's all apart of his knowledge as a performer. And other performers all realize how great P is when it comes to this. This is something that he has over many other known guitarists. Is his flash and his sense of the dramatic. At times, it makes him appear better than others. And perhaps he is, because he knows how to employ this where others don't. Understand, P knows it's always about showmanship. The thing about P is that he's so much deeper than that as a guitarist though. His knack to grasp an array of styles is crazy. Jazz and blues, to play effectively, is not easy. Yet he does it with flair and style. Which cannot be fronted. Is he better than Robert Jonson or George Benson? Fuck no. But that's besides the point. Taken with ALL of what P does on the axe, along with simply being one of the greatest ever rhythm guitarists, it puts P in a different category.
WOW, thankx for the insight, when I set out last night to writing this thread, I had to re edit it, as somewhere in it I had described P as a black guitaristz, which put a grin on my face, but I thought it was innapropriate for the thread, as it might be seen as a baiting call. However, I am very honored that you have taken the time to post such an informative piece on this thread and to all the others who have taken the time to post constructive views on this topic. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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I will never understand why people swing from the likes of Satriani. He's a robot. Who cares about technique or complexity if it sounds like absolute crap or nothing at all. Music isn't a sport. | |
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coolcat said: Not enough live releases... And of the live releases, none of them are on youtube...
I can go on youtube and find live videos of practically any guitarist I want... except Prince. Nobody will know what he can do live except those that go to his concerts. lol, I remember during the summer having a utube party thing online with a guy from NZ and another from america, and it really pissed me off that I could not showcase P´s talents, as there was nothing worth playing to be found at u tube of P, and IMHO Purple Rain is nothing to bring into a discussion to back up his talent, unless you want to be laughed out of the place. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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blackguitaristz said: That said, comapring P to Hendrix or Vai or Van Halen or Scooby Doo is fruitless.
Hey, don't underestimate Scooby's skills. He did an outstanding job on his latest album. | |
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I've been playing guitars for 22 years. I never heard anyone who could play this on an electric guitar till this very day:
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Dance said: I will never understand why people swing from the likes of Satriani. He's a robot. Who cares about technique or complexity if it sounds like absolute crap or nothing at all. Music isn't a sport.
I remember back in 88, there was alot of talk about who could dance better, P or MJ, MJ won most discussions, but I failed to see why, as I always found MJ´s dancing to be too rehearsed, robotic and repetitive. P on the other hand was more spontaneous as a dancer, who even manages to make his mistakes look like part of the act. I feel his guitar style is very similiar, and he has an amazing ability to blend into a musical situation without wondering if he has rehearsed the lines before hand. When I was learning music as a youngster, I found the whole process of learning actually a hinderance, it always seemed to stem any creativity that a person had, thus i always loved getting involved with jamming sessions, were the un expected was always around the corner, without having the constraints of the ABC If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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Christaro said: I've been playing guitars for 22 years. I never heard anyone who could play this on an electric guitar till this very day:
thanx for posting that, absolutely amazing, his finger work is mezmerizing here is another great http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related [Edited 12/23/07 13:25pm] If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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Christaro said: blackguitaristz said: That said, comapring P to Hendrix or Vai or Van Halen or Scooby Doo is fruitless.
Hey, don't underestimate Scooby's skills. He did an outstanding job on his latest album. Ha ha..Aaaah,..this has to be one of the best post I have seen on this site. Hey, I can dig it. Go ahead on with your bad self, Scooby! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Dance said: I will never understand why people swing from the likes of Satriani. He's a robot. Who cares about technique or complexity if it sounds like absolute crap or nothing at all. Music isn't a sport.
I'll never understand why Prince fans get off on trashing other artists. | |
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Whitnail said: Awesome. I know Gary. I've been following his career since the late 70's. He's great. I love him. | |
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coolcat said: Dance said: I will never understand why people swing from the likes of Satriani. He's a robot. Who cares about technique or complexity if it sounds like absolute crap or nothing at all. Music isn't a sport.
I'll never understand why Prince fans get off on trashing other artists. agreed I love this | |
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as a long time Prince fan, I was impressed with the Hall of Fame performance. back in the 80's, many of us wanted Prince to be more respected as a musician compared to the whole Pop thang.
he's achieved that respect now. many people didn't dig the performance with Beyonce, but i loved what he did with the guitar solo at the end of Lets Go Crazy. we've heard him do it many times, but they way he rocked that wah peddle literally raises the hair on my arms. i consider Prince to be one of guitar teachers. | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: coolcat said: I'll never understand why Prince fans get off on trashing other artists. agreed I love this Satch | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: coolcat said: I'll never understand why Prince fans get off on trashing other artists. agreed I love this stunning, have not seen that before If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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blackguitaristz said: Because it's whitnail's thread, I'll post. Usually, I no longer post on these types because I've said this on here many times. I'm a musician, songwriter, producer and performer. I play guitar, bass, keyboards and drums. My main instrument is guitar and I'm primarily a lead guitarist. I've been playing over 3/4 of my life. Almost as long as I've been alive. As some of u know, I've actually played with P's childhood friends and musical cohorts Andre Cymone and Morris Day. And some folks on this site actually own some of my music. I have several influences as a guitarist and prince is certainly one of them. I've been told by many people that I'm good. And that's nice to hear. Me myself, I'll just say that I can definately play. That said, my perspective of P as a guitarist is really simple. P is a very good guitarist. P hasn't ever gotten the credit that he deserves on the instrument because of his other talents. P is such a showman and performer. One of the best ever, really. And then there's P's image, which has always gotten in the way of him being seen as a great guitarist. Most folks can't seperate his image from P, the musician. Other musicians can. BUT musicians don't make up a large percentage of the general public. The media certainly hasn't helped P's cause either. Choosing to focus on other elements of P. That said, comapring P to Hendrix or Vai or Van Halen or Scooby Doo is fruitless. Because it's all subjective. Everyone has their opinion on who are their favorites. And to me, it's all valid. Who's better is never valid. It's the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordon thing. U simply cannot compare those two because the fact is, they were BOTH great. P is an exceptional musician and killer shownan and singer who happens to be a very good guitarist. Period.
in addition 2 what u have said, Prince gives Praise to a guitar by the way he just holds the thang, before he even plays it. | |
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ToraToraDreams said: blackguitaristz said: Because it's whitnail's thread, I'll post. Usually, I no longer post on these types because I've said this on here many times. I'm a musician, songwriter, producer and performer. I play guitar, bass, keyboards and drums. My main instrument is guitar and I'm primarily a lead guitarist. I've been playing over 3/4 of my life. Almost as long as I've been alive. As some of u know, I've actually played with P's childhood friends and musical cohorts Andre Cymone and Morris Day. And some folks on this site actually own some of my music. I have several influences as a guitarist and prince is certainly one of them. I've been told by many people that I'm good. And that's nice to hear. Me myself, I'll just say that I can definately play. That said, my perspective of P as a guitarist is really simple. P is a very good guitarist. P hasn't ever gotten the credit that he deserves on the instrument because of his other talents. P is such a showman and performer. One of the best ever, really. And then there's P's image, which has always gotten in the way of him being seen as a great guitarist. Most folks can't seperate his image from P, the musician. Other musicians can. BUT musicians don't make up a large percentage of the general public. The media certainly hasn't helped P's cause either. Choosing to focus on other elements of P. That said, comapring P to Hendrix or Vai or Van Halen or Scooby Doo is fruitless. Because it's all subjective. Everyone has their opinion on who are their favorites. And to me, it's all valid. Who's better is never valid. It's the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordon thing. U simply cannot compare those two because the fact is, they were BOTH great. P is an exceptional musician and killer shownan and singer who happens to be a very good guitarist. Period.
always know your shit, black, you alwayr know. Thats a good perspective/opinion. but jordaN WAYYYY BETTER THAN magic! | |
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blackguitaristz said: Because it's whitnail's thread, I'll post. Usually, I no longer post on these types because I've said this on here many times. I'm a musician, songwriter, producer and performer. I play guitar, bass, keyboards and drums. My main instrument is guitar and I'm primarily a lead guitarist. I've been playing over 3/4 of my life. Almost as long as I've been alive. As some of u know, I've actually played with P's childhood friends and musical cohorts Andre Cymone and Morris Day. And some folks on this site actually own some of my music. I have several influences as a guitarist and prince is certainly one of them. I've been told by many people that I'm good. And that's nice to hear. Me myself, I'll just say that I can definately play. That said, my perspective of P as a guitarist is really simple. P is a very good guitarist. P hasn't ever gotten the credit that he deserves on the instrument because of his other talents. P is such a showman and performer. One of the best ever, really. And then there's P's image, which has always gotten in the way of him being seen as a great guitarist. Most folks can't seperate his image from P, the musician. Other musicians can. BUT musicians don't make up a large percentage of the general public. The media certainly hasn't helped P's cause either. Choosing to focus on other elements of P. That said, comapring P to Hendrix or Vai or Van Halen or Scooby Doo is fruitless. Because it's all subjective. Everyone has their opinion on who are their favorites. And to me, it's all valid. Who's better is never valid. It's the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordon thing. U simply cannot compare those two because the fact is, they were BOTH great. P is an exceptional musician and killer shownan and singer who happens to be a very good guitarist. Period.
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blackguitaristz said: blackguitaristz said: Let me add something else to this. P has always garnered respect from other known guitarists. Clapton to Santana to Van Halen to Vai to many others have all praised P as a guitaist. Anytime any known guitarist is interviewd, they are going to be asked what do they think of Prince as a guitarist. It happens way more times than not. Sometimes the guitarist may mention Prince on their own, giving praise. The reason for this is because P, being such a great performer and songwriter, P truly knows how to showcase his guitar strengths. He understands what impresses the common person on guitar. He does it in the studio and on stage. He understands and executes "flash". He knows when to use it and how to use it. If it's when to use a flurry of notes or a sustained vibrato or when to stretch his mouth open or to make the Hendrix face. It's all apart of his knowledge as a performer. And other performers all realize how great P is when it comes to this. This is something that he has over many other known guitarists. Is his flash and his sense of the dramatic. At times, it makes him appear better than others. And perhaps he is, because he knows how to employ this where others don't. Understand, P knows it's always about showmanship. The thing about P is that he's so much deeper than that as a guitarist though. His knack to grasp an array of styles is crazy. Jazz and blues, to play effectively, is not easy. Yet he does it with flair and style. Which cannot be fronted. Is he better than Robert Jonson or George Benson? Fuck no. But that's besides the point. Taken with ALL of what P does on the axe, along with simply being one of the greatest ever rhythm guitarists, it puts P in a different category.
Let me clarify when I mention is P better than Robert Johnson or George Benson, I'm soley speaking on is he a better blues or jazz guitarist, which he is certainly not. I can also ask is Benson or was Jonhson a better rock guitarist than Prince? And my answer would be Fuck no. That's fascinating, thank you! | |
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Whitnail said: coolcat said: Not enough live releases... And of the live releases, none of them are on youtube...
I can go on youtube and find live videos of practically any guitarist I want... except Prince. Nobody will know what he can do live except those that go to his concerts. lol, I remember during the summer having a utube party thing online with a guy from NZ and another from america, and it really pissed me off that I could not showcase P´s talents, as there was nothing worth playing to be found at u tube of P, and IMHO Purple Rain is nothing to bring into a discussion to back up his talent, unless you want to be laughed out of the place. Yeah, it's really too bad. Can't blame anyone but Prince himself. That's the way he wants it. [Edited 12/23/07 16:11pm] | |
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Whitnail said: Dance said: I will never understand why people swing from the likes of Satriani. He's a robot. Who cares about technique or complexity if it sounds like absolute crap or nothing at all. Music isn't a sport.
I remember back in 88, there was alot of talk about who could dance better, P or MJ, MJ won most discussions, but I failed to see why, as I always found MJ´s dancing to be too rehearsed, robotic and repetitive. P on the other hand was more spontaneous as a dancer, who even manages to make his mistakes look like part of the act. I feel his guitar style is very similiar, and he has an amazing ability to blend into a musical situation without wondering if he has rehearsed the lines before hand. When I was learning music as a youngster, I found the whole process of learning actually a hinderance, it always seemed to stem any creativity that a person had, thus i always loved getting involved with jamming sessions, were the un expected was always around the corner, without having the constraints of the ABC That's really interesting! Sorry, can't let it go on the dancing tip! As an ex dancer, I've got to say sometimes I watch his dancing in awe. It's similar to the discussion about his guitar playing, he can dance in lots of different styles too. Not trained (particularly) but his dancing at times is almost balletic, it's fluid and graceful, spontaneous looking, as you say, because he adapts to the musical style and 'feels' it, and doesn't just churn out 'moves'. I reckon if he'd decided to train as a dancer he would have been a principal dancer in the Royal Ballet or something! | |
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blackguitaristz said: blackguitaristz said: Let me add something else to this. P has always garnered respect from other known guitarists. Clapton to Santana to Van Halen to Vai to many others have all praised P as a guitaist. Anytime any known guitarist is interviewd, they are going to be asked what do they think of Prince as a guitarist. It happens way more times than not. Sometimes the guitarist may mention Prince on their own, giving praise. The reason for this is because P, being such a great performer and songwriter, P truly knows how to showcase his guitar strengths. He understands what impresses the common person on guitar. He does it in the studio and on stage. He understands and executes "flash". He knows when to use it and how to use it. If it's when to use a flurry of notes or a sustained vibrato or when to stretch his mouth open or to make the Hendrix face. It's all apart of his knowledge as a performer. And other performers all realize how great P is when it comes to this. This is something that he has over many other known guitarists. Is his flash and his sense of the dramatic. At times, it makes him appear better than others. And perhaps he is, because he knows how to employ this where others don't. Understand, P knows it's always about showmanship. The thing about P is that he's so much deeper than that as a guitarist though. His knack to grasp an array of styles is crazy. Jazz and blues, to play effectively, is not easy. Yet he does it with flair and style. Which cannot be fronted. Is he better than Robert Jonson or George Benson? Fuck no. But that's besides the point. Taken with ALL of what P does on the axe, along with simply being one of the greatest ever rhythm guitarists, it puts P in a different category.
Let me clarify when I mention is P better than Robert Johnson or George Benson, I'm soley speaking on is he a better blues or jazz guitarist, which he is certainly not. I can also ask is Benson or was Jonhson a better rock guitarist than Prince? And my answer would be Fuck no. thx, nice read.... i love how p asks 'can i play my guitar?'... | |
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lottielooloo1968 said: blackguitaristz said: Let me clarify when I mention is P better than Robert Johnson or George Benson, I'm soley speaking on is he a better blues or jazz guitarist, which he is certainly not. I can also ask is Benson or was Jonhson a better rock guitarist than Prince? And my answer would be Fuck no. thx, nice read.... i love how p asks 'can i play my guitar?'... Thank u. By the way, Jimi used to say the same thing before a guitar solo. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: lottielooloo1968 said: thx, nice read.... i love how p asks 'can i play my guitar?'... Thank u. By the way, Jimi used to say the same thing before a guitar solo. I bought a Jimi Hendrix dvd recently, and I was really surprised at how similar P's style is ..... | |
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blackguitaristz said: lottielooloo1968 said: thx, nice read.... i love how p asks 'can i play my guitar?'... Thank u. By the way, Jimi used to say the same thing before a guitar solo. & there's me thinking he's being original... | |
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Jeffiner said: blackguitaristz said: Thank u. By the way, Jimi used to say the same thing before a guitar solo. I bought a Jimi Hendrix dvd recently, and I was really surprised at how similar P's style is ..... but is it as sexx uuu al? [Edited 12/23/07 17:37pm] | |
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georgeguitar said: RipPoPtheregoMYTOP said: Do U play ? ur Answerer would be simple if u did.... first off they can't touch the pick/pinch harmonics Prince can they could never cre8 the Pick slides or the chicken scratch.. their tone is in no compassion to prince .. Prince has literally set a tone then he recreates every time that most guitarist would sell their soul for just one tone of such greatness not to mention that prince goes off the scale using notes not usually used the the scales and i am not talking about going to a different scale or mode the list goes on, there are far to many aspects here to list
in fact he walks the neck of the guitar like it's a sidewalk [Edited 12/23/07 0:11am] Its pretty poor that you play guitar and give and answer like that,any guitarist can play a pinch harmonic for gods sake, and do pick scrapes ect. but yes prince is a fantastic guitarist, hes up there with clapton ect. for sure but your explination for him being better than them was rather stupid! And as for tone, Mark Knopfler and Clapton have beautiful tone. And are recoginized for it more so than prince, Santana is princes man id say. But still, i think Prince is for sure up there in the top 5 [Edited 12/23/07 7:56am] Prince's Tone is nothing like Santana.. and many can not come any where near close to do the harmonics or slides or scratch ..and i never said that Clapton was not a good player..Prince is far better , Eric rarely even leaves a pentatonic scale | |
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Christaro said: I've been playing guitars for 22 years. I never heard anyone who could play this on an electric guitar till this very day:
dude is awesome ..yet Prince is still one of the top players of all time sounds alot like Villa Nova Jct better tho [Edited 12/23/07 19:47pm] | |
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