Brendan said:

Ok, just saw your profile, Respect.

the essentials part is brilliant, and also that you had the patience to write down all the music and musicians that you like.

just one thing, how do you rate PE so high

Giovanni777 said:

so .. in other words.. if ppl dont enjoy songs you deem 'good ones' .. they dont have an open mind to music? we're all individuals with different tastes... someone could say the same thing about 'your taste' in music (that they dont like it) .. it's all opinions and there's nothing wrong with individual opinion about music.. i cant see why you would be 'frustrated' (as you posted) about total strangers not enjoying your type music .. or saying someone else dont know music.. cause they dont agree with what you like.... and why ppl go back n forth to argue the worth of a song ... anybody buying a Prince album is gonna have some sort of appreciation for music cause real musicians are an endangered species
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Whitnail said:

I appreciate that. It's much better than being taken out back and beaten like a dead horse. But I can handle either.

I'm kind of using that area as a notepad. If someone asks me for my favorites, they're right there. And this list needs to be expanded, but who knows when that will happen.





Go figure. I just hope that no one is asking that in 10 years.

But, if they are, and if they’re right, I have zero problem anymore in admitting my foibles.

I think it’s a kind of vanity to think that one is always being perfectly honest and objective in their criticism for absolutely everything at absolutely every moment.

I now know that I may be wrong, because it’s happened so often in the past.

I think time and hard work lessen the volume of mistakes, but there will always be mistakes.

But I have to be shown how I’m wrong and truly understand it for myself before it can ever become a part of me.

It’s the middle ground between the lemming that believes as others do and the arrogance that leads to people thinking that only their truth matters.

But vanity isn’t all bad (just look at the nerve of my lists) and it can offer great insight into why something should or shouldn’t be licked.

DevotedPuppy said:

i know the thread .. i was there
[Edited 12/6/07 17:47pm]

Giovanni777 said:

everything you said, i completely agree with!! especially the part about the rainbow children album, i love it so much, i just cant stop listening to it! haha

DevotedPuppy said:

Lol.....actually we will NOT be visiting this again.

I Prefer Facts than PREDICTIONS.....PREDICTions go nowhere.....nevertheless...i love the guys like G. and Graycap.....they are cool guys!

Flowerz said:

No honey, U got it wrong. I said that most people don't allow a song 2 grow on them, which is mos' definitely true. Generally, people make an instant decision on whether they like a piece or not, and if it is negative, they rarely want 2 listen again and again, 2 give it a chance. There is more than one way 2 open minded, musically, and this is one of them. I wasn't talking about different individual's tastes... I was talking about one person allowing themselves 2 hear something different in a song, from one listening 2 another.

I really like your last line, which I bolded.

Peace,

~G

Giovanni777 said:

Yeah, that is a great line, Flowerz... "real musicians are an endangered species"... that'd make a cool signature... but I'm looking to come up with something of my own that fits ME, haha. :still looking:

Anyway, wanted to add my on the above matter.
Because Prince is Prince and he lives 4 the music, I feel its my job as a listener to give everything of his a chance to stand out. Believe me, I've worked with quite a few albums to find the good in it.
Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic is a perfect example. I heard it once and was completely thrown by it that I shelved it for over a month... bizarre to the nth power... that's what I thought.
Then I decided that I was going to find out for sure if I truly like anything about the album. It was so long that it took a while for it all to sink. I vowed to spend an entire week with the album, which I did, w/o listening to any of his other albums. And all that time paid off... I like the album a lot. Not saying its his greatest, but after that week, it won itself someone who'd advocate 4 it.
NewPower Soul... I've tried to get thru it. It's difficult to deal with when a lot of the songs are not in my area... genre was all wrong 4 me and not enough of 's "je na sais qua"... that certain something that makes him special... there were few things I found special about it. Not enough to convince me to come back... but because he's , I will return to it and work with the 6 tracks I salvaged.

It's difficult dealing with the unfamiliar and letting it grow on me... but I'd willingly go thru that again if I had to with the next album. In the end, it's all worth it.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Actually, U R another great example of what I was saying.

U R letting your ear do the work, and using your mind.

Just the fact that U have been going back 2 systematically listen 2 each album from his past, makes U a welcome anomaly. You're not going by what is popular, or what is current. U R more interested in the musical/lyrical history of a great body of work, by a diverse and adventurous genius. BRAVA!

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Dont mean to sound like I am dissing, but one also has to be careful not let ones self be brainwashed into every note that Prince plays, as that would be similiar to never experiencing sadness, which in turn would make it impossible to appreciate happinness.

Listening to Rave for a solid week, sounds to me like a recipe to end up hating music. Yesterday for some bizarre reason I tried to listen to Rave and stopped after about 2 mins. I simply could not go thru with it, but this might be as a result that I have a fantastic live 18 min version of the Rave song, which i had heard 10 yrs previous to the release of Rave. There are a few tracks I like on the CD, but I dont think I have played it for the best part of almost 6 yrs now.

hopefully his next album will NOT b a rock album but pure funk and not that bullshit some say chelsea rodgers is, naw i'm talking bout that funky bass line that hard snap on the snare drum that funky ass guitar lick. let's hope that he won't tap wendy and lisa or any member of the revolution except fink or eric leeds.

hopefully he will get a real drummer ala john blackwell or michael b 4 any type of hard rocking tracks 2 let the drums come through hard.

so in essence no planet earth part 2 bullshit

Giovanni777 said:

oh .. oops lol .. i tend to do that .. misunderstand posts lol im sorry for that

Flowerz said:

All good, all love, honey. U know this.

~G

At some point, it all gets down to culture.

If you ain't got enoughs references in your mind's library, you won't be able to really depart the good from the crap.

After that, you can hide yourself behind tolerance, perseverance, but an egomaniac or megalomaniac, or self-indulgent piece of music remains something to be ignored and despised from a composer with such high-level skills. I think every person who really appreciates Prince's music is a patient one : he took several groundbreaking steps in a row during the eighties, that would question the Prince you had grown to like in the previous album. Not only the sound was different, but the structure, the ideas, were evolving. You could like an album or not, but certainly not deny that this was an artist that was trying.

Today's listening are just boring for they repeat sounds, themes and lyrics already known.

The only reason recent Prince's albums divide is that the only people left who give a shit are zealots fans and nostalgic fans.

IF ONLY Prince's Next Album COULD divide...

bonatoc said:

depends on the angle you look at it from, Prince certainly indulged us in the 80´s but that is not to say that his output since then is sub standard.

The problem for almost all older Prince fans is that it is not like the 80´s, me included, but to be honest i accept it, as i have yet in 25 yrs to find an artist that comes near Prince and I have a very broad taste in music and up untill this summer i did not really listen to his music anymore, but i always use him as the gauge to judge others and you cant deny that.

Anyway, these days it is all about the live music he does, that is where it really is

Whitnail said:

Well put.

Some poignant and Interesting statements were made regarding the crapola 3121 swans song period and the 80's hey day music of substance most creative period.

Whitnail said:

but the live music is just him repeating the songs he did in the 80's and maybe a few from the early 90's.

You know what was fun ? When supporting Prince would divide you from the rest of the class. Most everyone was into eighties FM crap, and couldn't understand why you were standing for that skinny motherfucker with the high voice.

It was such an excitement when you would find someone who dug Prince, because you knew these were the times, you knew you were experiencing something unique and were one of the happy few who understood it.

Having said that reminds me of Ally Sheedy in "The Breakfast Club", making snow from her dandruff fall over the 1999 disc 1 inner sleeve. You were the weirdo who listened to Prince.

bonatoc said:

so true, so true, those were the days, being the outcast, i am 100% sure that in the village (2,500) where i grew up, and P comes on the radio, that alot of them remember me, the strange one who liked this very strange artist. I could probably write a book about it, I think if it were not for madonna arriving at the same time, who i liked as well, but for entirely sexual reasons, i would have been lynched, for condemning U2

Whitnail said:

Now, now, you intimately know that you had sexual reasons for Prince too, but you would only admit it after years and years of psychoanalytic torture...


We straight boys have it hard... er, I mean, difficult !

>>and up untill this summer i did not really listen to his music anymore

That's interesting: me too, even though I've never stopped considering myself a fan, up until the 21 concerts in London, it had been ages since I had actually listened to his songs. My last true 'Prince heavy-listening' period was in 1996/97, then again in 1998 when I acquired the Emancipation set, and a little last year, when while doing a spring cleaning my eyes fell on my P collection and I then went through it, loving evey note of it. Still, even in my non-listening periods, my appreciation of him never went away.
But since London, I've been listening... daily... what's wrong with me? Help!
Anyway, it looks like the magic formula of nightly-varying concerts and aftershows, ingenious marketing and seeing the man in such a fine form have worked their magic...

As for predictions on his next project: my humble guess is that at this point, as a mature musician he is more interested in experimenting, treading into unchartered musical territories, for his own pleasure, rather than producing catchy melodies and popular crowd-pleasers. The controversy and diverging reviews of his last couple of albums, expecially PE prove that point I think.
So I think we should be ready for... just about anything!

Whitnail said:

pompous

Flo6 said:

edit - I was dreaming when I wrote it, forgive me but it went astray
[Edited 12/15/07 5:26am]


Now that my sanity has arrived back for a brief moment, I just simply hope that P never brings out another PE release, it is without doubt the worst big album he has ever released, it is little wonder that he played virtually nothing off it during the london stint, the tracks on their own, can be listened to, but playing the whole thing in one go is simply some form fetish, maybe it was a test by P to see just how much he can try our patience. If this is the case, he failed miserably, as from what I have seen and read, he has attracted alot of non informed musical fams with PE including one orger that thinks that 1999 is his worst album yep 1999 is his worst album , not even the biggest piss taker could come up with such an obnoxious post.

but judging by what he has been putting up at 3121, we can expect the unexpected
[Edited 12/15/07 10:35am]

what will happen if his next album Multiplies, like millions of bacteria, wouldnt that be something, maybe he will call it Gift

Christmas-celebrating Christians and non Christmas-celebrating Christians

RUHip2TheJive said:

and Christians not celebrating christmas at all

Whitnail said:

I said that already up there ^

RUHip2TheJive said:

opps, all the C´s confused me