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laurarichardso
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It was Universal Music Group that sent the letter about the dancing baby

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=1

Please see the article below so you guys can stop saying Prince is attacking this lady. In addtion, Goggle has ads on the site so I think a lot of this has to do with what Universal is seeing as a lost of revenue.

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By JIM AVILA, CHRIS FRANCESCANI and MARY HARRIS
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
Oct. 26, 2007
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Share A bouncing YouTube baby has be-bopped his way right into the legal cross-hairs of the pop star Prince, sparking a lawsuit that could test the boundaries of U.S. copyright law.

Holden Lenz, 18 months old, is the pajama-clad star of a 29-second home movie shot by his mother in the family's rural Pennsylvania kitchen and posted last February on the popular video site YouTube.

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Do You Think Prince is Right?In the video, the child is seen bouncing and swaying for the camera, as, faintly, the Prince hit "Let's Go Crazy" plays on a CD player in the background.

Twenty eight people, mostly friends and family, had viewed the YouTube video by June, when mom Stephanie Lenz said she received an e-mail from YouTube informing her that her video had been removed from the site at the request of Universal Music Publishing Group, the recording industry's largest label, and warning her that future copyright infringements on her part could force the Web site to cancel her account.


'Frightened, Then Angry'


"All of my [YouTube] videos are home videos, so I thought it was some kind of scam,'' Lenz told ABC News' Law & Justice Unit. When she realized YouTube had actually taken her video down, she said she was shocked.

"At first it frightened me, because I saw who had filed'' the takedown notice, she said.

"It was Universal Music Publishing Group, and I was afraid that ... they might come after me. ... And the more afraid I got, the angrier I got. ... I was afraid that the recording industry might come after me the way they've come after other people for downloading music or file sharing.

"I thought even though I didn't do anything wrong that they might want to file some kind of suit against me, take my house, come after me.

"And I didn't like feeling afraid,'' she continued. "I didn't like feeling that I could get in trouble for something as simple as posting a home video for my friends and family to see."

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EXCESS HOLLYWOOD: Musician MeltdownsLenz filed a "counter-notice" with YouTube, and the Web site put her video back up about six weeks later.


What Constitutes a Ripoff of an Artist's Work?

But Lenz was angry, and she said she wasn't ready to let it go.

She contacted a leading cyber rights legal organization called the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and filed a civil lawsuit against the music publisher, claiming they were abusing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act by sending out reams of what are known in the industry as "take down notices" to Web sites like YouTube, claiming their artists' copyrights had been infringed upon -- when in fact, sometimes they may not have been at all.


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Reply #1 posted 11/17/07 10:42am

cream72

I already Knew this but the Haters will be still adament that Prince was behind it, they wouldnt dream of another company is behind it considering they look after his Publishing Rights.
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Reply #2 posted 11/17/07 10:53am

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laurarichardson said:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3777651&page=1

Please see the article below so you guys can stop saying Prince is attacking this lady. In addtion, Goggle has ads on the site so I think a lot of this has to do with what Universal is seeing as a lost of revenue.

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By JIM AVILA, CHRIS FRANCESCANI and MARY HARRIS
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
Oct. 26, 2007
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Share A bouncing YouTube baby has be-bopped his way right into the legal cross-hairs of the pop star Prince, sparking a lawsuit that could test the boundaries of U.S. copyright law.

Holden Lenz, 18 months old, is the pajama-clad star of a 29-second home movie shot by his mother in the family's rural Pennsylvania kitchen and posted last February on the popular video site YouTube.

Vote
Do You Think Prince is Right?In the video, the child is seen bouncing and swaying for the camera, as, faintly, the Prince hit "Let's Go Crazy" plays on a CD player in the background.

Twenty eight people, mostly friends and family, had viewed the YouTube video by June, when mom Stephanie Lenz said she received an e-mail from YouTube informing her that her video had been removed from the site at the request of Universal Music Publishing Group, the recording industry's largest label, and warning her that future copyright infringements on her part could force the Web site to cancel her account.


'Frightened, Then Angry'


"All of my [YouTube] videos are home videos, so I thought it was some kind of scam,'' Lenz told ABC News' Law & Justice Unit. When she realized YouTube had actually taken her video down, she said she was shocked.

"At first it frightened me, because I saw who had filed'' the takedown notice, she said.

"It was Universal Music Publishing Group, and I was afraid that ... they might come after me. ... And the more afraid I got, the angrier I got. ... I was afraid that the recording industry might come after me the way they've come after other people for downloading music or file sharing.

"I thought even though I didn't do anything wrong that they might want to file some kind of suit against me, take my house, come after me.

"And I didn't like feeling afraid,'' she continued. "I didn't like feeling that I could get in trouble for something as simple as posting a home video for my friends and family to see."

Photos
EXCESS HOLLYWOOD: Musician MeltdownsLenz filed a "counter-notice" with YouTube, and the Web site put her video back up about six weeks later.


What Constitutes a Ripoff of an Artist's Work?

But Lenz was angry, and she said she wasn't ready to let it go.

She contacted a leading cyber rights legal organization called the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and filed a civil lawsuit against the music publisher, claiming they were abusing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act by sending out reams of what are known in the industry as "take down notices" to Web sites like YouTube, claiming their artists' copyrights had been infringed upon -- when in fact, sometimes they may not have been at all.


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Very informative, thanks for posting! cool
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Reply #3 posted 11/17/07 11:16am

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Thanks for posting this Laura. I knew Prince himself had nothing to do with this either.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #4 posted 11/17/07 11:19am

horatio

I knew Universal had something to do with it.
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Reply #5 posted 11/17/07 11:33am

Efan

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cream72 said:

I already Knew this but the Haters will be still adament that Prince was behind it, they wouldnt dream of another company is behind it considering they look after his Publishing Rights.


So, it's not Prince, just a company using his name and image to conduct a lawsuit, right? And he has no problem with that, so it's okay? But it's not okay if fans use his name or image, right?
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Reply #6 posted 11/17/07 11:40am

cream72

Efan said:

cream72 said:

I already Knew this but the Haters will be still adament that Prince was behind it, they wouldnt dream of another company is behind it considering they look after his Publishing Rights.


So, it's not Prince, just a company using his name and image to conduct a lawsuit, right? And he has no problem with that, so it's okay? But it's not okay if fans use his name or image, right?


Did i say it was right or wrong, nope i just said Universal looks after his Publishing Rights therefore they are responsible for the action do you really think they run to Prince everytime they find something Infringing his Copyright, I some how wouldnt think so. As for the Images and Fan sites i dont really Know whos behind it Cause i have not heard both sides.
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Reply #7 posted 11/17/07 11:46am

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Efan said:



So, it's not Prince, just a company using his name and image to conduct a lawsuit, right? And he has no problem with that, so it's okay? But it's not okay if fans use his name or image, right?


Conduct a lawsuit? The only lawsuit in the article is the one filed by her.
"What kind of fuck ending is that?"
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Reply #8 posted 11/17/07 11:46am

laurarichardso
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Co-Sign it is Universal's responsiblity to look after the publishing they do not get on the phone a consult P evertime they go after someone. They have also filed a suit against Goggle for all of the intellectual property that own.
This thing is a lot bigger than P.
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cream72 said:

Efan said:



So, it's not Prince, just a company using his name and image to conduct a lawsuit, right? And he has no problem with that, so it's okay? But it's not okay if fans use his name or image, right?


Did i say it was right or wrong, nope i just said Universal looks after his Publishing Rights therefore they are responsible for the action do you really think they run to Prince everytime they find something Infringing his Copyright, I some how wouldnt think so. As for the Images and Fan sites i dont really Know whos behind it Cause i have not heard both sides.
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Reply #9 posted 11/17/07 11:47am

laurarichardso
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I know some people don't know the difference between a lawsuit and a cease and desist letter.
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ElCapitan said:

Efan said:



So, it's not Prince, just a company using his name and image to conduct a lawsuit, right? And he has no problem with that, so it's okay? But it's not okay if fans use his name or image, right?


Conduct a lawsuit? The only lawsuit in the article is the one filed by her.
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Reply #10 posted 11/17/07 11:54am

Efan

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cream72 said:

Did i say it was right or wrong


Will you say it now? Is it right or wrong?

cream72 said:

do you really think they run to Prince everytime they find something Infringing his Copyright, I some how wouldnt think so. As for the Images and Fan sites i dont really Know whos behind it Cause i have not heard both sides.


I'm pointing out the irony. People keep saying that Prince has the right to control every aspect of his art and his image, yet he doesn't control this part. This action, whether he approved it or Universal did it on their own (which I don't believe, but that's beside the point), is causing far more damage to his public image and therefore his popularity than, say, any Photoshopped picture on some humorous website. Shouldn't he have something to say about that?
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Reply #11 posted 11/17/07 11:54am

SexyBeautifulO
ne

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.
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Reply #12 posted 11/17/07 11:56am

coolcat

SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.


clapping pwned! Thanks for posting the truth Sexy.
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Reply #13 posted 11/17/07 11:58am

Efan

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ElCapitan said:

Efan said:



So, it's not Prince, just a company using his name and image to conduct a lawsuit, right? And he has no problem with that, so it's okay? But it's not okay if fans use his name or image, right?


Conduct a lawsuit? The only lawsuit in the article is the one filed by her.


My bad. Substitute "legal action" for "lawsuit" in the original post and my statement still stands.
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Reply #14 posted 11/17/07 12:01pm

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.


You are such a HATER, How Dare you go looking and find the TRUTH. HATER HATER HATER.



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The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
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Reply #15 posted 11/17/07 12:05pm

SexyBeautifulO
ne

lazycrockett said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.


You are such a HATER, How Dare you go looking and find the TRUTH. HATER HATER HATER.



wink


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Reply #16 posted 11/17/07 12:11pm

cream72

Efan said:[quote]

cream72 said:

Did i say it was right or wrong


Will you say it now? Is it right or wrong?


Lets just say Prince like any other Person has a RIGHT to protect his work or allow it to be shown to the Public has he see's fit. BUT in the case of the baby bopping away to Let's Go Crazy they could of let it slide. wink
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Reply #17 posted 11/17/07 12:45pm

Rhondab

SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.



get'em girl lol


Prince is too much of a control freak not to be involved on some level.
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Reply #18 posted 11/17/07 1:02pm

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.




Hold on a second there, "fam".
FIRST of all, the song in question was "When Doves Cry", which is STILL a part of WARNER/CHAPPELL publishing.

Why would Universal give two craps about a song on YouTube that they don't own?

They DON'T.
PRINCE had them send the cease and desist, because that's where his current deal is.

I wish the "fams" would wake up and stop looking for excuses, trying to say that Prince isn't "aware of this".

Prince is a NOTORIOUS control freak. Even the "fams" have to admit that.
IF he didn't know what was going on, HIS RESPONSE TO THE FANS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A "DISS SONG". It would have been an apology.

I know it's hard for the fans to accept that their hero can be that big of a dick, but it's true. HE IS.
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Reply #19 posted 11/17/07 1:10pm

SexyBeautifulO
ne

ButterscotchPimp said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.




Hold on a second there, "fam".
FIRST of all, the song in question was "When Doves Cry", which is STILL a part of WARNER/CHAPPELL publishing.

Why would Universal give two craps about a song on YouTube that they don't own?

They DON'T.
PRINCE had them send the cease and desist, because that's where his current deal is.

I wish the "fams" would wake up and stop looking for excuses, trying to say that Prince isn't "aware of this".

Prince is a NOTORIOUS control freak. Even the "fams" have to admit that.
IF he didn't know what was going on, HIS RESPONSE TO THE FANS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A "DISS SONG". It would have been an apology.

I know it's hard for the fans to accept that their hero can be that big of a dick, but it's true. HE IS.



LMAO! I think you quoted the wrong one. I'm the black sheep of the "fam" a.k.a Haterina Haterwitz! batting eyes
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Reply #20 posted 11/17/07 1:12pm

laurarichardso
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The song is "Let's Go Crazy" which is under Universal Music Group not WB.
In addtion, the source is unknown who is saying P was involved. Officially the letter came from Universal.

I also don't see what difference it makes it P did direct Universal to send the letter because they are supposed to be on top of this type of copyright usage.
Anyway no one is being sued and Universal or Prince is within their rights to ask that the music not be used.

Fans or Fams don't have to like it.





ButterscotchPimp said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.




Hold on a second there, "fam".
FIRST of all, the song in question was "When Doves Cry", which is STILL a part of WARNER/CHAPPELL publishing.

Why would Universal give two craps about a song on YouTube that they don't own?

They DON'T.
PRINCE had them send the cease and desist, because that's where his current deal is.

I wish the "fams" would wake up and stop looking for excuses, trying to say that Prince isn't "aware of this".

Prince is a NOTORIOUS control freak. Even the "fams" have to admit that.
IF he didn't know what was going on, HIS RESPONSE TO THE FANS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A "DISS SONG". It would have been an apology.

I know it's hard for the fans to accept that their hero can be that big of a dick, but it's true. HE IS.
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Reply #21 posted 11/17/07 1:12pm

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

ButterscotchPimp said:





Hold on a second there, "fam".
FIRST of all, the song in question was "When Doves Cry", which is STILL a part of WARNER/CHAPPELL publishing.

Why would Universal give two craps about a song on YouTube that they don't own?

They DON'T.
PRINCE had them send the cease and desist, because that's where his current deal is.

I wish the "fams" would wake up and stop looking for excuses, trying to say that Prince isn't "aware of this".

Prince is a NOTORIOUS control freak. Even the "fams" have to admit that.
IF he didn't know what was going on, HIS RESPONSE TO THE FANS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A "DISS SONG". It would have been an apology.

I know it's hard for the fans to accept that their hero can be that big of a dick, but it's true. HE IS.



LMAO! I think you quoted the wrong one. I'm the black sheep of the "fam" a.k.a Haterina Haterwitz! batting eyes



lol

I wish we could ban the "fams" from using either the words "hate" or "hater".
http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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Reply #22 posted 11/17/07 1:13pm

cream72

ButterscotchPimp said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.




Hold on a second there, "fam".
FIRST of all, the song in question was "When Doves Cry", which is STILL a part of WARNER/CHAPPELL publishing.

Why would Universal give two craps about a song on YouTube that they don't own?

They DON'T.
PRINCE had them send the cease and desist, because that's where his current deal is.

I wish the "fams" would wake up and stop looking for excuses, trying to say that Prince isn't "aware of this".

Prince is a NOTORIOUS control freak. Even the "fams" have to admit that.
IF he didn't know what was going on, HIS RESPONSE TO THE FANS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A "DISS SONG". It would have been an apology.

I know it's hard for the fans to accept that their hero can be that big of a dick, but it's true. HE IS.


It WAS Let's Go Crazy i saw the Video the other Day, To me Prince is a Musician NOT a Hero, Has he saved anyones Life NO, Does he make great Music YES just cause you dont want to know or couldnt care less about the recent events make you a Sheep or Fam rolleyes
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Reply #23 posted 11/17/07 1:13pm

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An unnamed source is the truth !!!





coolcat said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

We "haters" have already seen the article! I find it laughable that you neglected to finish reading it before trying to reprimand us for what we say.

Page 2- Note the bolded parts wink

http://abcnews.go.com/The...651&page=2



Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.


clapping pwned! Thanks for posting the truth Sexy.
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Reply #24 posted 11/17/07 1:13pm

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laurarichardson said:

The song is "Let's Go Crazy" which is under Universal Music Group not WB.
In addtion, the source is unknown who is saying P was involved. Officially the letter came from Universal.

I also don't see what difference it makes it P did direct Universal to send the letter because they are supposed to be on top of this type of copyright usage.
Anyway no one is being sued and Universal or Prince is within their rights to ask that the music not be used.

Fans or Fams don't have to like it.





ButterscotchPimp said:





Hold on a second there, "fam".
FIRST of all, the song in question was "When Doves Cry", which is STILL a part of WARNER/CHAPPELL publishing.

Why would Universal give two craps about a song on YouTube that they don't own?

They DON'T.
PRINCE had them send the cease and desist, because that's where his current deal is.

I wish the "fams" would wake up and stop looking for excuses, trying to say that Prince isn't "aware of this".

Prince is a NOTORIOUS control freak. Even the "fams" have to admit that.
IF he didn't know what was going on, HIS RESPONSE TO THE FANS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A "DISS SONG". It would have been an apology.

I know it's hard for the fans to accept that their hero can be that big of a dick, but it's true. HE IS.




I stand corrected on the song being "Let's Go Crazy" and not "When Doves Cry", but you're WRONG.

ALL of Prince's songs from the Warner days are STILL OWNED BY WARNER and published through Warner/Chappell.
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Reply #25 posted 11/17/07 1:18pm

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laurarichardson said:

An unnamed source is the truth !!!





coolcat said:



clapping pwned! Thanks for posting the truth Sexy.


I guess you overlooked this part too, eh?

Page 2:

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.
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Reply #26 posted 11/17/07 1:19pm

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I think you are wrong. P signed a deal with Universal a few years ago and I remember reading that they were really pressed to make a deal with him. I don't think they would have been pressed if it was just going to be new material. I will look for the article.
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ButterscotchPimp said:

laurarichardson said:

The song is "Let's Go Crazy" which is under Universal Music Group not WB.
In addtion, the source is unknown who is saying P was involved. Officially the letter came from Universal.

I also don't see what difference it makes it P did direct Universal to send the letter because they are supposed to be on top of this type of copyright usage.
Anyway no one is being sued and Universal or Prince is within their rights to ask that the music not be used.

Fans or Fams don't have to like it.









I stand corrected on the song being "Let's Go Crazy" and not "When Doves Cry", but you're WRONG.

ALL of Prince's songs from the Warner days are STILL OWNED BY WARNER and published through Warner/Chappell.
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Reply #27 posted 11/17/07 1:19pm

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ButterscotchPimp said:

laurarichardson said:

The song is "Let's Go Crazy" which is under Universal Music Group not WB.
In addtion, the source is unknown who is saying P was involved. Officially the letter came from Universal.

I also don't see what difference it makes it P did direct Universal to send the letter because they are supposed to be on top of this type of copyright usage.
Anyway no one is being sued and Universal or Prince is within their rights to ask that the music not be used.

Fans or Fams don't have to like it.









I stand corrected on the song being "Let's Go Crazy" and not "When Doves Cry", but you're WRONG.

ALL of Prince's songs from the Warner days are STILL OWNED BY WARNER and published through Warner/Chappell.





Wait a second.
I just looked it up, and I STAND CORRECTED.

Apparently, i was wrong.
Looks like Prince switched publishing companies back in 2005 when Musicology was released through Universal.

So all of his back catalog is now owned by Universal.
His current deal is through Sony/BMG.

Never say i'm not man enough to admit when i'm wrong. About the facts.

The point remains, that it's not Universal that's sitting there and scouring the internet for background music on YouTube and sending cease and desist letters. Publishing companies don't have time for that.

That's all Prince.
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Reply #28 posted 11/17/07 1:21pm

cream72

ButterscotchPimp said:

laurarichardson said:

The song is "Let's Go Crazy" which is under Universal Music Group not WB.
In addtion, the source is unknown who is saying P was involved. Officially the letter came from Universal.

I also don't see what difference it makes it P did direct Universal to send the letter because they are supposed to be on top of this type of copyright usage.
Anyway no one is being sued and Universal or Prince is within their rights to ask that the music not be used.

Fans or Fams don't have to like it.









I stand corrected on the song being "Let's Go Crazy" and not "When Doves Cry", but you're WRONG.

ALL of Prince's songs from the Warner days are STILL OWNED BY WARNER and published through Warner/Chappell.


So Universal sends them a E-Mail saying its violating copyright for a Song they dont have any say in Get Real, I heard that at the signing with Prince for them to Distribute the 3121 Album, The deal would also include they foresee the Publishing Rights of all of his Songs, I beleive Warners Own his Masters BUT NOT the Publishing.
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Reply #29 posted 11/17/07 1:22pm

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ButterscotchPimp said:

ButterscotchPimp said:





I stand corrected on the song being "Let's Go Crazy" and not "When Doves Cry", but you're WRONG.

ALL of Prince's songs from the Warner days are STILL OWNED BY WARNER and published through Warner/Chappell.





Wait a second.
I just looked it up, and I STAND CORRECTED.

Apparently, i was wrong.
Looks like Prince switched publishing companies back in 2005 when Musicology was released through Universal.

So all of his back catalog is now owned by Universal.
His current deal is through Sony/BMG.

Never say i'm not man enough to admit when i'm wrong. About the facts.

The point remains, that it's not Universal that's sitting there and scouring the internet for background music on YouTube and sending cease and desist letters. Publishing companies don't have time for that.

That's all Prince.




Which now makes me want to ask a really puzzling question.

WHY THE HELL WON'T HE REMASTER AND RE-RELEASE HIS BACK CATALOG NOW THAT WARNER DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT ANYMORE?

So i guess that answers the question whether if it had anything to do with not wanting to do it on Warner or whether it was that he didn't want to re-release his old "controversial" material.

That sucks.
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