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Reply #30 posted 11/28/07 6:54am

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"Pop Life" is dope.

The rest of the album is not below average, but just doesn't live up to Dirty Mind, 1999, or even PR standards. I'm glad he released it after PR though. Many thought he was gonna go fully mainstream, but instead he went experimental on they ass.
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Reply #31 posted 11/28/07 7:57am

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Underaprreciated, i think.

First, by the new fans he gained with 1999 and Purple Rain, and his fans who especially digged his 'funky' side (The Minneapolis side).

Second, by a good number of the 'serious music journalists' taking the lyrics and the psychedelic feel 'too seriously'.

When it comes to the first group, they are wrong. Both in the use of beats as the 'economily efficient' arrangements ATWIAD was a continuation of the things he tried out on 1999 and especially Purple Rain, putting more emphasis on the pop-elements of that album (Take me with you, Purple Rain) and the use of feedbackguitar and semi-classical elements (Computer Blue, When Doves cry).
ATWIAD Really isn't as sharp a division from the Minneapolis sound as lots of people made it out to be.

When it comes to the second group, i think did they mislead themself by the "superficial sheen" of the lyrics, i bet they made something out of it like: New musical superstar has seen 'fame isn't everything' and now he is going to look for true love and God.
Well, i think that Prince indeed used that "rock-cliché" as the main theme of the album, because he recognized elements of it in his own life, but he definitely didnt take it as seriously as the reviewers were making it out to be.
One of the most overlooked aspects of Princes music IMO is the use of humor: he often uses it to relativate "important messages" and to show he is not exactly sure about everything he sings about in his songs too.
I mean: listen to the looking for an "ideal" love in Condition of the Heart, and the painfull longing it brings, while "Tambourine" shows that even superstars have to masturbate sometimes, for some stress relief. And do you really think that Prince took himself all seriously in his utopian visions on "Paisley Park" and his conversation with God on "Temptation"???
Its exactly that selfrelativating humor and that postmodern approach of lyrical "hippie-clichés" that make this album more then a simple copy of late sixties psychedelic music.

As i see it ATWIAD offered him a way to, on a musical level, play around with his (psychedelic) pop-sensibilities.
On a lyrical level, it offered him possibilities to deal with the subject: "what next when you have scored big time?".

In that sense, ATWIAD is underappreciated. But in retrospect i agree with some music journalists who labelled it as 'a punk album', a personal, postmodern, not perfect, but bold statement just as 'Dirty Mind' had been before.


nod I agree completely. Really liked your post. thumbs up!

It's a brilliant album, the first time I played it I instantly felt connected to it.

It was kinda like that for me too. I thought it really was brilliant. I had just gotten off school when I bought it and I picked it up along with Come. I've already heard TGE, Musicology, 3121 and Purple RAin LOTS of times... I wanted a change.

And maybe Prince had that in mind when he wrote this. He was sick of doing one genre (even though it had some of his BEST material)... so he decided to break free and start experimenting with all kinds of things. His experimental albums, I dig... some amazing stuff here that's just overlooked.

People don't like Tambourine much... its like one of those short tracks that get overlooked. I'm not raving about it, but its cool by me. And considering that Temptation comes later in the album, I say it fits in just fine.
America was his first political track since the Controversy album... and its brilliant... the extended version is as well.
She's always in my Hair is really good, amzing cool how it missed out on the cut, I don't know... I'll bet it was too good for the other songs on the album and he didn't want it throw everything off balance.

i was about 16 back in then. i didnt like Temptation, coz i hated the way he said 'sexxxualll'. he made it sound so filthy. positively disgusting - of course i love it now along with all his screaming & heavy breathing & the way he says lust


haha... I know what you mean. Actually, I wanted to stay away from the nastier sounding stuff he did cuz I wasn't comfortable with it (yeah, go figure, right? I pick Prince of all people to listen to and he was all about the nasty)... but when I heard this song, it didn't bother me at all (I think some of the songs from my other albums broke me in by this time)... and I've never laughed so hard while listening to any song... positivitely falloff ...still makes me laugh.
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Reply #32 posted 11/28/07 8:31am

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It has songs I like a lot. Raspberry Beret, Around The World In A Day, Pop Life, Paisley Park, Condition Of The Heart, America (the 21 minute version anyway)

It has songs that really irritate the hell out of me and some that I think are really lacking. Tamborine, The Ladder, America (album version), Temptation.


i'm ambivalent about it.
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Reply #33 posted 11/28/07 8:53am

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America is dope too, I must agree.
Kick the old school joint 4 the true funk soldiers.

1. Sign 'o' the Times
2. 1999
3. Dirty Mind
4. Parade
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Reply #34 posted 11/28/07 1:50pm

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PDogz said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

The space bar is your friend, use it.

No Kiddin! Paragraphs are pretty damned friendly too! I really wanted to read that post, even tried, but just couldn't get through it.


i'll paraphrase it for yous:

the album is awesome.

cut the intro to "condition of the heart" short.

lose a quarter of the yelling on "temptation".

use the 12 inch version of "raspberry beret"(which i forgot to mention).

"the ladder" wants to be "purple rain" part 2 but still not that bad on its own.

hate the album version of the title track. the unreleased/alternate version of the song is faster,longer and much better and would have made the album much cooler.

the rest of the album is perfect. still a stellar effort as is. just flawed.

lazy asses. lol
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Reply #35 posted 11/28/07 2:02pm

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FuNkeNsteiN said:

The space bar is your friend, use it.


falloff lol
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Reply #36 posted 11/28/07 3:18pm

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It's a good album, but it's pretty average compared to the other 80's behemoths.

It's basically just a little uneven. Some of the songs on it are ingenious, but it just doesn't flow from one stunner to the next the way Purple Rain did.

America is a generic pop-rocker with a simple message, the title track feels too self-aware of its strange sound, and The Ladder tries too hard to be a powerful ballad like Purple Rain (a straight piano version like he performed in a video of him before a concert would have been so much better).

Also, even though the song is great, Temptation closes with one of the most embarrassing Prince moments of all time with that stupid "conversation" between Prince and God where Prince starts screaming like a scared girl.

It has moments of brilliance, but it has the overall sound of an artist who wasn't quite 100% confident in the new direction he was taking.

Fortunately, Parade solved this and consolidated all the potential of this album, so you could say that Around the World in a Day was a blueprint for a classic.
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Reply #37 posted 11/28/07 4:12pm

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On Sunday, after I went thru the PR album, I played this one right after it (it was a long car ride)...
it felt almost like foreign ground in comparison. My mind was still on PR for a long time coming.
When I got to Temptation, I'm like "this sounds like the Prince I remember from the last album"... he revisits the sounds he uses in the PR album here and then soon.
cool probably has the biggest amount of and most awesome screams he's ever done, and I actually miss that in his later/current work. Ironic cuz I didnt dig Prince's screaming originally.

Pop Life... the piano adds so much to the song, adds the right vibe/tempo to the whole thing and it even speaks louder than words in some places.

It falls thru the cracks cuz of the 80's behemoths that come b4 and after it... I still like it very much and don't think it should be forgotten about.
That's why I started the thread in the first place.
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Reply #38 posted 11/28/07 4:44pm

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I don't think its underrated or underappreciated, just sometimes forgotten with so many of the "Classics" released either side of it.

For those who were around as fans at the time of its release, it was the ultimate statement. It was Prince showing the finger to all the pop industry. It was the most divisive album Prince ever released. It split the fan base down the middle greater than any law suit does today.

It was a completely unexpected move.

Looking back, its a strange animal. In one way, Prince seemed to be wanting to piss off the new Purple Rain followers, which could be argued was he new "white cross over" fans.

But on the other hand, the album was the most "white" album of his career. No funk or RnB at all. It was all Beatles, Joni and Wendy and lisa. He kept all the "black" stuff back for the Family. (ironically with a white singer).

I don't mean that Prince played on a race thing, but in 1985 it was considered that "the Blacks" did "black music" and "the whites" did "white music" much more stereotypically than now. It was Prince and MJ that were re-writing the rules then.

22 years on, I never listen to Respberry Beret and Pop life. To me the gems are The Ladder and Temptation, and the ever classic Paisley Park.
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Reply #39 posted 11/28/07 4:48pm

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Massively underrated and underappreciated. One of my all time faves FOR SURE nod
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Reply #40 posted 11/29/07 12:07am

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SoulAlive said:

vinx98 said:

I wish I could be listening to this album for the first time again. To me its so familiar. I like everything on it, but it strangely does have any favourite individual songs, to me it just works as a whole. Probably the song missing from that record is "Shes always in my hair", the BSide of Paisley Park (I think), that song is stronger than any song on ATWIAD, and I could never understand its demotion to "BSide".. oh well... it was a long time ago....


I can't believe that he would place a filler song like "Tambourine" on the album and use the superior "She's Always In My Hair" as a B-side nuts Makes no sense.


it does make sense if you consider that he may write the song at a time when the album is already out. those were the days, i always say, back then the b sides were better than most of his albums.
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Reply #41 posted 11/29/07 12:20am

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this album has always gotten mixed reviews and there are strong arguments for each side. I remember the press salivating over him making a homage to Sgt. Pepper's but no one else says that anymore. he said it best "it's a funky album" and it really is. Also, back then, no one realized that he would always put music out at a ridiculous rate and that no market will keep up with that without oversaturation. It was an event, like all his albums were in those days, it marked a critical point in his mainstream success where the so-so purple rain fans who didn't really listen for anything other than being a pop consumer and the fans who would continue to be diehard followers of his even though he would always push everyones boundaries. As for the Album, it's really not that great of an Album but when I listen to it now I love it for the sentimentality. Around the World In A Day,Tambourine, The Ladder, America, Temptation are all basically filler. The next level up are Condition of the Heart, Poplife and The best songs are Paisley Park and Raspberry Beret. The meanderings into the mystical don't work for me anymore, they did when I was a kid but just come off as superficial crap now. ATWIAD marked the end of his pop reign, the beginnings of alienating different factions of fans as well as concurring with the general Prince backlash that came along with the We Are The World debacle and the Bodyguard debacle. I think This was the beginning of a long slow diversion from the cutting edge that he was. Although, in my opinion, he put out some of his very finest music with Parade and SOTT and Lovesexy, there was no way he would ever again be the powerhouse influential force that the vintage "minneapolis sound" was known for. It's like Muhammad Ali pre and post exile, he was great either way but not quite the same after his prime.
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Reply #42 posted 11/29/07 12:59am

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It's a classic to me.

The first album I bought was Controversy, then of course Purple Rain conquered the world then... this odd, almost "artsy" album which seemed to separate the "men from the boys" as to whether you were really a Prince fan or not.

So many kids didn't "get" the album back then. It must sound different today to those hearing it for the first time.
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Reply #43 posted 11/29/07 1:27am

Cheek

I do love the whole album from the very first listening and I was just 13 years old then. smile
So, I never understood all the hate against it - tho I have a very freaky musical taste... lol

Show your love or shut up! smile
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Reply #44 posted 11/29/07 1:43am

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It is a bit mean, asking this to a person that was 14 in 85 and whom's fandom was founded in the extra-curicular material that Around The World In A Day spawned.



The only thing I had to get used to was Temptation, but as I was always too lazy to get up and take the needle of the record, I played it as often as the rest on side B.
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Reply #45 posted 11/29/07 1:48am

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Reply #46 posted 11/29/07 1:53am

Cheek

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Boy [= Girl backwards]


What the funk is that? smile
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Reply #47 posted 11/29/07 2:05am

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HamsterHuey said:

Boy [= Girl backwards]


What the funk is that? smile


At the end of the song you might hear murmurs in the background, obviously female voices, but you can never make out what they say, right?

But if you play it backwards you hear a woman/women recite (not really sing) certain lines from the song from the female perspective; "Boy, I want you so"
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Reply #48 posted 11/29/07 2:11am

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At the end of the song you might hear murmurs in the background, obviously female voices, but you can never make out what they say, right?

But if you play it backwards you hear a woman/women recite (not really sing) certain lines from the song from the female perspective; "Boy, I want you so"


Oh, okay. Now give me a cigarette! smile
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Reply #49 posted 11/29/07 2:24am

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It's very spiritual and beautiful to me, I think it's underrated because it was misunderstood. smile
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Reply #50 posted 11/29/07 2:31am

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Cheek said:

HamsterHuey said:

At the end of the song you might hear murmurs in the background, obviously female voices, but you can never make out what they say, right?

But if you play it backwards you hear a woman/women recite (not really sing) certain lines from the song from the female perspective; "Boy, I want you so"


Oh, okay. Now give me a cigarette! smile


Don't we need to be naked and sweaty and panting to do that?
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Reply #51 posted 11/29/07 6:05am

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not trying to be funny, but isn't underrated and underappreciated the SAME THING?
with that being said, ATWIAD is underappreciated/underrated.
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Reply #52 posted 11/29/07 7:39am

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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said:

It's a classic to me.

The first album I bought was Controversy, then of course Purple Rain conquered the world then... this odd, almost "artsy" album which seemed to separate the "men from the boys" as to whether you were really a Prince fan or not.

So many kids didn't "get" the album back then. It must sound different today to those hearing it for the first time.


It's funny you should put it like that, haha.
Don't think its necessarily fair to say that I passed the test becuz I liked it right away (loved it, in fact)... i mean I was kinda prepared for it and I heard it early on b4 I had a solid idea of who Prince was (opposed 2 now, cuz back then, I was still getting to know him). This is just like a whole other side to him.
They say that Purple Rain was the pinnacle of his reporteire... here, it's almost like he's starting over and trying to come up with a new sound. He's capable of so much, its almost as if he's challenging himself to be more than an artist who writes awesome pop or rock music. He wants to do EVERYTHING, and here is when he starts to push himself to the limit and start to see what he's really capable of as an artist. Of course, this all leads up to SOTT, which is where he supposedly defines himself and discovers who he is as an artist.

At least that's what I heard. I haven't heard SOTT yet, but in a matter of weeks, I will be able to make a more educated statement.
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Reply #53 posted 11/29/07 8:15am

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

PeaceandLoveCowgirl said:

It's a classic to me.

The first album I bought was Controversy, then of course Purple Rain conquered the world then... this odd, almost "artsy" album which seemed to separate the "men from the boys" as to whether you were really a Prince fan or not.

So many kids didn't "get" the album back then. It must sound different today to those hearing it for the first time.


It's funny you should put it like that, haha.
Don't think its necessarily fair to say that I passed the test becuz I liked it right away (loved it, in fact)... i mean I was kinda prepared for it and I heard it early on b4 I had a solid idea of who Prince was (opposed 2 now, cuz back then, I was still getting to know him). This is just like a whole other side to him.
They say that Purple Rain was the pinnacle of his reporteire... here, it's almost like he's starting over and trying to come up with a new sound. He's capable of so much, its almost as if he's challenging himself to be more than an artist who writes awesome pop or rock music. He wants to do EVERYTHING, and here is when he starts to push himself to the limit and start to see what he's really capable of as an artist. Of course, this all leads up to SOTT, which is where he supposedly defines himself and discovers who he is as an artist.

At least that's what I heard. I haven't heard SOTT yet, but in a matter of weeks, I will be able to make a more educated statement.


Yeah, I think you get it... What I understood from ATWIAD back in the day is that this guy followed his own muse.
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Reply #54 posted 11/29/07 8:54am

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I always got the impression that the white guy in the Raspberry Beret outfit with the Cloud guitar was supposed to be P. I figured he was going through one of his phases.
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Reply #55 posted 11/29/07 8:58am

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Reply #56 posted 11/29/07 9:31am

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Well, we all know why that did not became the sleeve. What a butt-ugly painting.
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Reply #57 posted 11/29/07 9:35am

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mozfonky said:

SoulAlive said:



I can't believe that he would place a filler song like "Tambourine" on the album and use the superior "She's Always In My Hair" as a B-side nuts Makes no sense.


it does make sense if you consider that he may write the song at a time when the album is already out. those were the days, i always say, back then the b sides were better than most of his albums.



that's not the case with She's Always In My Hair, though. it was written/recorded back at the tail end of the Purple Rain recordings. or one of the first batch of songs he started after that, for the next set of projects. (i don't have the Vault handy to check the exact dates, though). it's actually one of the older tracks dating from the ATWIAD era, so it could have easily made the album.
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Reply #58 posted 11/29/07 10:27am

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ATWIAD is a very good album. My father got it for me when I was 8 for my 1st Communion and when I played it, I thought, wow, this is really weird. It was almost a year after my Mom got me Parade, so this was my 2nd Prince album. The only songs I really liked was Raspberry Beret, Pop Life (which was and still is my favorite off the album) and America. I thought Tamborine and Temptation were funny as hell. I wondered what Prince was on when he did those songs lol. When I brought the CD more than 10 years later, I could appreciate it better and now Condition of the Heart is tied with Pop Life as my favorite song in ATWIAD and after hearing the 12 inch of Paisley Park, I can really dig it now. It's still not one of my favorites, but it gets and Honorable Mention from me.

I think the album is underrated. The songs were and are quality songs but the reason why its underrated IMO is cause it came right behind Purple Rain. That's not the type of album you drop after releasing what would become a landmark album. Everything about it was nothing like PR, at least not in 85. If it was released a few years later, the story might have been different but it still gets props from me. Besides, Prince doing something like this is part of why I love the dude. Totally unexpected.
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Reply #59 posted 11/29/07 10:59am

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Cheek said:

I do love the whole album from the very first listening and I was just 13 years old then. smile
So, I never understood all the hate against it - tho I have a very freaky musical taste... lol

Show your love or shut up! smile

See, I was a total loner at the time so I had no connection to the world of Prince fans at all and had no idea how much it was hated until I started on the net. I never questioned it once. Not even once. I just went with the flow and loved it from day one and that was that lol
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