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PrintableI don't think you can get the brother to do anything he doesn't already want to do...
He's a stubborn man. Good on him.  | |
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QuakeXLE said: This is a rant... this is strictly a rant... this post will contain language which will be offensive to some readers.
Some of you simple minded people are getting on my nerves. fcukthepolice said: I detest religion with a passion It makes my skin crawl when Prince spews his hatred and dogma.
'when Larry told me 'the truth' everything changed' The truth? prince tries to convince everyone else that his little book is correct; it's disgusting The irony of this statement is that you are doing exactly what you claim he does. This very statement is spewing your hatered and dogma... you're tring to convince every one that what you claim Prince has done is disgusting. Hypocracy at its finest. WTF Camille is not a person. Camille was just a gimmick for when Prince used the spedd up high pitch voice around the Sign O' the times/ Dream Factory era. When people say 'Camille' now... they are refering strictly to the fact that ... the vocals are sped up and high. That is it. To make more out of it than that... is waisting what little brain power you may have. Just like 1+1+1=3 is a thinly veiled attempt at a "good" replacement for Erotic City.
Do you realize how you sound...? You sound like a person who created a diety in your mind named Prince. and when that diety proved to be..just human... you lost what little mind you had! I say for the umpteenth time... the man has been making music for more than 30 years... he has gone thru life changes just as anyone else wuld over the same perod of time. His priorities and views have changed. To think he could maintain the level of passion and creativity he has after he has done... EVERTHING he could have ever dreamed and more.... is INSANE. Prince is only human. Get tht FACT into your heads. And if you don't like the current product at least state so in a constructive manner and cease with the senseless bitching.  Man I agree with everything u said. I have been saying similar things for years. Certain people seem to have a negative obsession with Prince (see Bart). He can't live up to their expectations but they still continue to grasp at his garments like he is Jesus. Why can't they just let go? He is like some fantasy figure for them that they want to see act out all their own hopes and desires. Whatever Prince does is interesting to me but that's it. I don't care what descions he makes because its his life. I have my own. | |
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alxndrstff said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He hasn't been consistent this decade. I'd suggest Prince has been criticised in that way in both the 80s and 90s before. Now, with hindsight, people look back at the 80s material and think "wow, what a consistent collection of work." Then, I'll bet the likes of Around The World In A Day, Lovesexy and Parade (and probably Batman!) would have drawn this criticism as well. That isn't the reaction people are having to the 90s almost a decade out..... The 90s weren't as creatively wild as the 80s. Not even close. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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pennylover said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He hasn't been consistent this decade. Speak 4 yourself. I feel the opposite  If you think Musuckology has a consistent bone in its body compared to TRC, you need help 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Quote from 3121.com:
Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? His last four albums have been largely dull, insipid, tame, lame, uninspired dross. They could be classified as self-parody, except that if Prince was parodying his old self he'd still sound great. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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QuakeXLE said: 30+ yars is a looooong time to be in this business making new music. He's knocking on 50... the ride won't last forever. Jusy be happy that he even makes new music and not rely solely on his past catalogue as other musicians would. i just wish his live shows wouldn't rely soley on his past ctalogue but they have since musicology man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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His last four albums have been largely dull, insipid, tame, lame, uninspired dross. They could be classified as self-parody, except that if Prince was parodying his old self he'd still sound great.
I agree partially with you. The sex/god thing, the carnal vs the spiritual has always been an interesting fuel for Princes creativity, but in the past he at least approached those subjects in a playfull, selfrelativating way. But the last 8 years he is not even giving himself the space to breath when handling those subjects, he seems brainwashed by creepy religious dogma's that not only influence his lyrics (as some here try to relativate it) but also his music! Take away the unbriddled (sexual) urge from Prince music, take away the openminded creativity, and you take away the aspects that make Princes music so special. Of course, many people here in detest the creepozoid lyrics of The Rainbow Children album, but it goes further: his current religious believes have a very negative effect on his music, because he did cut himself from his personal urges and his soul by brainwashing himself with this JW-crap. So, YES, his music suffers from his misguided religious 'believes'. Those things can't be seperated. A truelly great artist puts his soul into his music and creates magic from it, when such an artist is in some way cut off from this elementary urge, it often leads to empty music (New Power Soul) or painfull kitch (The Rainbow Children). | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Of course, many people here in detest the creepozoid lyrics of The Rainbow Children album, but it goes further: his current religious believes have a very negative effect on his music, because he did cut himself from his personal urges and his soul by brainwashing himself with this JW-crap. So, YES, his music suffers from his misguided religious 'believes'. Those things can't be seperated. A truelly great artist puts his soul into his music and creates magic from it, when such an artist is in some way cut off from this elementary urge, it often leads to empty music (New Power Soul) or painfull kitch (The Rainbow Children). Sounds like you do not understand the difference between actual JW beliefs and the Prince-talk on TRC... This is a very personal album, and a good deal of his own personal mythology has gone into it. It's art; we need not take everything so... literally!  Have some fun. | |
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etifaim said: So basically if Prince isn't singing about immoral sexcapades, or isn't gyrating on the stage (apart from him allegedy humping a mic stand
), his music is uninspired and lacks "that spark"?
At this point in his life, I think that Prince loves God more than he loves music. If this is the case, God would be the primary inspiration of what Prince does musically. This was not always the case. If one does not accept this, then I think that their appreciation of Prince's music is naturally going to be affected. I personally think that Prince is highly inspired, I hear it in his music. Since I share his same love of God, I connect with his feelings when I listen to his music, especially the one's that border on the spiritual side. That's just me. If you don't have that type of appreciation for spiritual things, then I agree, it wouldn't sound promising for you. And although I am in the minority when it comes to the fact that the man is half a century as far as age... His values, opinions, and modes of expression (along with his maturity) have changed. Live in the past if you want to, but Prince was never concerned with living in the past. If you don't want to go where he's growing, find your inspiration elsewhere. I think Prince is at a good place in his life right now. Your opinions might also change when you are 50. Life is about growing, and I see Prince doing that. prince has been living in the past with his live shows 4 over 10 years now and even more so since the musicology tour man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: To bad he rejected his own rebellion and is now lying in bed with the same companies he fought so hard to be free from.
Not really. He wanted to keep his master recordings and release music whenever he pleased. He has both now. Glug, glug like a mug | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: etifaim said: So basically if Prince isn't singing about immoral sexcapades, or isn't gyrating on the stage (apart from him allegedy humping a mic stand
), his music is uninspired and lacks "that spark"?
At this point in his life, I think that Prince loves God more than he loves music. If this is the case, God would be the primary inspiration of what Prince does musically. This was not always the case. If one does not accept this, then I think that their appreciation of Prince's music is naturally going to be affected. I personally think that Prince is highly inspired, I hear it in his music. Since I share his same love of God, I connect with his feelings when I listen to his music, especially the one's that border on the spiritual side. That's just me. If you don't have that type of appreciation for spiritual things, then I agree, it wouldn't sound promising for you. And although I am in the minority when it comes to the fact that the man is half a century as far as age... His values, opinions, and modes of expression (along with his maturity) have changed. Live in the past if you want to, but Prince was never concerned with living in the past. If you don't want to go where he's growing, find your inspiration elsewhere. I think Prince is at a good place in his life right now. Your opinions might also change when you are 50. Life is about growing, and I see Prince doing that. prince has been living in the past with his live shows 4 over 10 years now and even more so since the musicology tour OK, we've all got different opinions. I don't agree with your statement, but this is a forum, so ... 'kay then. "For those who know the number and don't call...Fuck all y'all" | |
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