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Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? He was or is dating Twins, it doesn't appear that the JW Religion is making him mute or hold back on anything. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: vivid said: Since becoming a JW he has made The Rainbow Children and One Nite Alone. I prefer those albums to nearly every thing he did in the 90s, so I'll have to disagree.
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Riverpoet31 said: Quote from 3121.com:
Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? I agree to a large extent. Somehow he controls his creative side a lot, i mean from a inner point of view..he is not letting himself go it seems...and yet sometimes something beautifull still emerges; one night alone..piano.. for example. Which is probably the best Prince can do, while being somehow controled. But well he has done his transcedental things (dirty mind/ pr/ lovesexy/ gold)..and well he tries to settle and be part of something i guess..i guess we should just let him do his thing..and just be happy of what he brings.. | |
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Maybe i should use a 'musical' example to accentuate what i mean:
Listen to The Beautifull Ones, and after that to The Dance (from 3121). Compare those screams at the end of both songs. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Quote from 3121.com:
Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? Maybe... just maybe his creative out put is less a reflection of his religous beliefs and more of an reflection of a man who... - has been in the business for 30+ years - has created more music over that span than most artist of this or any generation. - has experimented with more sounds and genres than any other musician could even come remotely close to - has dipped into the cereative well more times, more often and during any 10 year span alone has created more great music than most artist would during an entire career. - has matured and feels diferently about the way he expresses himself now that he's darn near 50 as compared to when he was much younger like most people who 'act there age' would do - has made some of the most remarkable music that he is often unfairly judged against his own creations? - has fans/fam who don't understand that no man remains he same...esp over a 30 year span. - has had and done it all and at his age is more content with his music because he has nothing left to prove. - is just not the same person he was 10,.. 20... or 30 years ago I can't understand why people constantly look for reasons as to why he isn't making music like he used too... while ignoring the most basic reasons which makes him human. I personally continue to like what he produces... I thought Musicolgy was good... I loved 3121... Planet Earth has some good moments.... I compare these albums favorably to others in the past like Controvery, ATWIAD, Parade, D&P, Chaos& Disorder and  .... they are better than albums (whch I like but..but not as much as others) TRC , Rave Into The Joy Fantastic and Graffitti Bridge... but not as enjoyable as The Black Album, Lovesexy, 1999 or TGE.
But of course all of that is subjective and strictly my opinion and really has no bearings as to the quality of his music past my own preferences of what I like and don't like. Which is my point.. Either you like the music now or you don't... and just because you don't doesn't mean there is something wrong with him. If more people would just check thier expectations at the door and realize that he simply isn't the young agressive musician of past with something to prove to everyone... and that he is now just making music he wants t make.... maybe... just maybe... you can enjoy the 'Prince' experience which is well into double over time for the amount of time which is left. 30+ yars is a looooong time to be in this business making new music. He's knocking on 50... the ride won't last forever. Jusy be happy that he even makes new music and not rely solely on his past catalogue as other musicians would. | |
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QuakeXLE said: Riverpoet31 said: Quote from 3121.com:
Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? Maybe... just maybe his creative out put is less a reflection of his religous beliefs and more of an reflection of a man who... - has been in the business for 30+ years - has created more music over that span than most artist of this or any generation. - has experimented with more sounds and genres than any other musician could even come remotely close to - has dipped into the cereative well more times, more often and during any 10 year span alone has created more great music than most artist would during an entire career. - has matured and feels diferently about the way he expresses himself now that he's darn near 50 as compared to when he was much younger like most people who 'act there age' would do - has made some of the most remarkable music that he is often unfairly judged against his own creations? - has fans/fam who don't understand that no man remains he same...esp over a 30 year span. - has had and done it all and at his age is more content with his music because he has nothing left to prove. - is just not the same person he was 10,.. 20... or 30 years ago I can't understand why people constantly look for reasons as to why he isn't making music like he used too... while ignoring the most basic reasons which makes him human. I personally continue to like what he produces... I thought Musicolgy was good... I loved 3121... Planet Earth has some good moments.... I compare these albums favorably to others in the past like Controvery, ATWIAD, Parade, D&P, Chaos& Disorder and .... they are better than albums (whch I like but..but not as much as others) TRC , Rave Into The Joy Fantastic and Graffitti Bridge... but not as enjoyable as The Black Album, Lovesexy, 1999 or TGE.
But of course all of that is subjective and strictly my opinion and really has no bearings as to the quality of his music past my own preferences of what I like and don't like. Which is my point.. Either you like the music now or you don't... and just because you don't doesn't mean there is something wrong with him. If more people would just check thier expectations at the door and realize that he simply isn't the young agressive musician of past with something to prove to everyone... and that he is now just making music he wants t make.... maybe... just maybe... you can enjoy the 'Prince' experience which is well into double over time for the amount of time which is left. 30+ yars is a looooong time to be in this business making new music. He's knocking on 50... the ride won't last forever. Jusy be happy that he even makes new music and not rely solely on his past catalogue as other musicians would. Big daddy housequake 
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Riverpoet31 said: Maybe i should use a 'musical' example to accentuate what i mean:
Listen to The Beautifull Ones, and after that to The Dance (from 3121). Compare those screams at the end of both songs. You can't be serious. Compare the screams of songs made 20+ YEARS APART!!! I garuantee you as a man soon to turn 39.... a man of a mature age would not scream like he did 20 years prior... no matter the reason. If he did... he'ld likely have a heart attack... but go out with a smile 
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I think you dont understand what i tried to say.
The screams on The Beautifull Ones sound as an expression coming deep from within, a mixture of pain, longing and desire. Very emotionally challenged. The screams on The Dance sound as a 'gimmick' to me. Like he 'knows' the fans love that aspect of his music and he decided to give them what they want, without actually expressing what he is feeling inside. The same feelings i have with other more recent songs. The use of the 'camille' voice and the crazy sound effects on the title track of 3121 doesnt sound natural to me. Like he is not following his muse, but more like he is trying to please his 'die hard' fans which maybe were a bit dissapointed in the subdued, 'middling' sound of the Musicology album. The same feeling i have when listening to F.U.N.K. The song sounds like he is trying to dazzle the long-time fans with raw guitar work, 'surprising' instrumental breaks and, again, the camille voice. Its mostly showing off to me. Something isnt quite right with it. It sounds like he is pulling it off way too easily (I mean, he has done it many times before in the late eighties, these kind of songs), but that its not coming from his heart, or his gut, or his soul. The last 10 years of Princes musical career gives me the feeling he really should 'rethink' what he is actually doing with his music. I mean: he is clever enough to 'copy' elements of his heigh days, but the real spark, the real urgency is gone. He isnt challenging himself anymore. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: I think you dont understand what i tried to say.
The screams on The Beautifull Ones sound as an expression coming deep from within, a mixture of pain, longing and desire. Very emotionally challenged. The screams on The Dance sound as a 'gimmick' to me. Like he 'knows' the fans love that aspect of his music and he decided to give them what they want, without actually expressing what he is feeling inside. The same feelings i have with other more recent songs. The use of the 'camille' voice and the crazy sound effects on the title track of 3121 doesnt sound natural to me. Like he is not following his muse, but more like he is trying to please his 'die hard' fans which maybe were a bit dissapointed in the subdued, 'middling' sound of the Musicology album. The same feeling i have when listening to F.U.N.K. The song sounds like he is trying to dazzle the long-time fans with raw guitar work, 'surprising' instrumental breaks and, again, the camille voice. Its mostly showing off to me. Something isnt quite right with it. It sounds like he is pulling it off way too easily (I mean, he has done it many times before in the late eighties, these kind of songs), but that its not coming from his heart, or his gut, or his soul. The last 10 years of Princes musical career gives me the feeling he really should 'rethink' what he is actually doing with his music. I mean: he is clever enough to 'copy' elements of his heigh days, but the real spark, the real urgency is gone. He isnt challenging himself anymore. I understood exactly where you are coming from. Read my previous post to the quote... in which I already responded to everything you just said before you said it. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Genesia said: His visiting there is pretty much the same as a Catholic visiting the Vatican.
He's a JW. He's been one for years, now. I think folks need to get over it, frankly. Are people in an uproar? ----- Yes people on this board are in an uproar. I don't think anybody else cares. | |
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"Either you like the music now or you don't... and just because you don't doesn't mean there is something wrong with him."
Co-Sign not sure why people on this board don't get this. QuakeXLE said: Riverpoet31 said: Quote from 3121.com:
Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? Maybe... just maybe his creative out put is less a reflection of his religous beliefs and more of an reflection of a man who... - has been in the business for 30+ years - has created more music over that span than most artist of this or any generation. - has experimented with more sounds and genres than any other musician could even come remotely close to - has dipped into the cereative well more times, more often and during any 10 year span alone has created more great music than most artist would during an entire career. - has matured and feels diferently about the way he expresses himself now that he's darn near 50 as compared to when he was much younger like most people who 'act there age' would do - has made some of the most remarkable music that he is often unfairly judged against his own creations? - has fans/fam who don't understand that no man remains he same...esp over a 30 year span. - has had and done it all and at his age is more content with his music because he has nothing left to prove. - is just not the same person he was 10,.. 20... or 30 years ago I can't understand why people constantly look for reasons as to why he isn't making music like he used too... while ignoring the most basic reasons which makes him human. I personally continue to like what he produces... I thought Musicolgy was good... I loved 3121... Planet Earth has some good moments.... I compare these albums favorably to others in the past like Controvery, ATWIAD, Parade, D&P, Chaos& Disorder and .... they are better than albums (whch I like but..but not as much as others) TRC , Rave Into The Joy Fantastic and Graffitti Bridge... but not as enjoyable as The Black Album, Lovesexy, 1999 or TGE.
But of course all of that is subjective and strictly my opinion and really has no bearings as to the quality of his music past my own preferences of what I like and don't like. Which is my point.. Either you like the music now or you don't... and just because you don't doesn't mean there is something wrong with him. If more people would just check thier expectations at the door and realize that he simply isn't the young agressive musician of past with something to prove to everyone... and that he is now just making music he wants t make.... maybe... just maybe... you can enjoy the 'Prince' experience which is well into double over time for the amount of time which is left. 30+ yars is a looooong time to be in this business making new music. He's knocking on 50... the ride won't last forever. Jusy be happy that he even makes new music and not rely solely on his past catalogue as other musicians would. | |
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I detest religion with a passion
It makes my skin crawl when Prince spews his hatred and dogma. 'when Larry told me 'the truth' everything changed' The truth? prince tries to convince everyone else that his little book is correct; it's disgusting | |
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Havent we discussed this enough already?
shutup already.....damn. Stand Up! Everybody, this is your life!
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QuietSeven said: Do you honestly beleve that everything in life turns out the way you "dream of" or "plan too".
Life isn't about what you think is... Life is the experience of what you choose to do in it. If you walk the walk of life worrying about others and complaining about what you think you should do or shouldn't then your walking around in a lie. Religion, politics, and everything else is simply the experience in choice you choose. I always wonder, why not just... simply... Choose not to Choose... walk your life with your spirit that will live on in love and in love with the guidance of what you are born with. Prince has been living on this planet, since his 1 birth of 1958 a date given by a manmade system such as your 1 birth too... Since you are born here once...just live and stop thinking too much about what is happening, because I got news for ya... All roads, all breaths and all experiences are given once! And I'm not talking about eatting or otherwise all event happen 1 moment with varients of that one happening. Let this ONE moment of life be the best with whatever you can do in love and stop worrying about what you may not even know will be your experience. Just live in love. Some of you reading this may not like what I am saying or might not even comprehend the depth of it, you may mock or tease or choose to degrade, that I won't blink twice too, I will however; say, just live in love again and again and again...which again, is ONCE FOREVER! Take care, QuietSeven.  quietseven!!
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QuietSeven said: Do you honestly beleve that everything in life turns out the way you "dream of" or "plan too".
Life isn't about what you think is... Life is the experience of what you choose to do in it. If you walk the walk of life worrying about others and complaining about what you think you should do or shouldn't then your walking around in a lie. Religion, politics, and everything else is simply the experience in choice you choose. I always wonder, why not just... simply... Choose not to Choose... walk your life with your spirit that will live on in love and in love with the guidance of what you are born with. Prince has been living on this planet, since his 1 birth of 1958 a date given by a manmade system such as your 1 birth too... Since you are born here once...just live and stop thinking too much about what is happening, because I got news for ya... All roads, all breaths and all experiences are given once! And I'm not talking about eatting or otherwise all event happen 1 moment with varients of that one happening. Let this ONE moment of life be the best with whatever you can do in love and stop worrying about what you may not even know will be your experience. Just live in love. Some of you reading this may not like what I am saying or might not even comprehend the depth of it, you may mock or tease or choose to degrade, that I won't blink twice too, I will however; say, just live in love again and again and again...which again, is ONCE FOREVER! Take care, QuietSeven. How much acid have you had? | |
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Either you like the music now or you don't... and just because you don't doesn't mean there is something wrong with him.
----- Could not agree more! So many of the threads you read on this site just remind you that people have different taste; there are equal numbers of people who hate (for example) Chelsea Rogers, as there are who love that song. Planet Earth seems to divide opinion, with lots of people saying they like only a couple of the tracks... but everyone names a different 2 which they like - it's not like everyone unanimously hates 8 out of 10 tracks and if someone likes a song, doesn't that make it a great song (for that person)? There's also a really strong factor in the time you come to an album - if I listen to grafitti bridge it's like I time travel back to the feelings i had when i was like 14 years old and first owned it - you're never going to feel the same about a song you hear in your twenties, thirties, forties as a song you heard in your teens, the way you feel things just mellows and changes! That's not to say I don't expect (and find) that his newer stuff isn't dramatically moving, just in a different way. Sometimes I think perhaps people are hoping to feel the same as they felt 10 or 20 years ago through new Prince music, and that seems a bit unrealistic. All that said, and getting back to the JH topic, I am mildly annoyed by the seemingly random adherence to the devout stuff - why kind of use the word 'shit' but not say it in 'Love' instead of finding another word... why play an intro to 'Darling Nikki' at the o2 show but not follow it through... why blatantly stir up threesome rumours by being photographed holding the hands of the twins... I mean I love all of these things, but it does kind of jar with visiting the JH head office. Still, we are reminded daily that P is nothing if not a man of contradictions!!!!! You might not like the taste but I'm still gonna stick your face in this FUNK | |
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I hear what you're saying, but on the other hand, do you really want to still see Prince acting like he's in his 20s anymore? The Rolling Stones have gotten about as old and sad as you can imagine do we really wanna go there again? He is doing what all adults do as they grow up - putting down the toys of youth gracefully.
Riverpoet31 said: Quote from 3121.com:
Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? | |
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I take notice of this statement, too. I think nothing is worse than an artist continuing to make music he no longer feels it is appropriate for him to make. The songs from the mid-90s, while great on a certain level, are also him pretty much in a vacuum. Hard as it might be to hear, our rainbow just might be his apocalypse.
Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees?[/quote] | |
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LondonSusan said: All that said, and getting back to the JH topic, I am mildly annoyed by the seemingly random adherence to the devout stuff - why kind of use the word 'shit' but not say it in 'Love' instead of finding another word... why play an intro to 'Darling Nikki' at the o2 show but not follow it through... why blatantly stir up threesome rumours by being photographed holding the hands of the twins... I mean I love all of these things, but it does kind of jar with visiting the JH head office. Still, we are reminded daily that P is nothing if not a man of contradictions!!!!!
From day one... Prince has muddled sex and religion. Only prince would utter the lords prayer in a song on the same album as songs like Do Me Baby, Private Joy and Head. Sure he's decided to follow a more strict branch of Christianity now.... but... he's still Prince. Sure he is more controlled about things he says nowadays.. and such as a man near 50 should be... but again.. he's still mischievious in nature... he's still Prince. What I'm saying is simple... You can remove Prince from Erotic City... but you will never remove all of Erotic City from Prince. In other words... like many people who claim to have some sort f religion in thier lives... he is not perfect and will still cross the line from time to time... even if its just to tease and taunt his fans. | |
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fcukthepolice said: I detest religion with a passion
It makes my skin crawl when Prince spews his hatred and dogma. 'when Larry told me 'the truth' everything changed' The truth? prince tries to convince everyone else that his little book is correct; it's disgusting Thank you... I was down with the "God Is Love" message -- its Universal... And I once thought Prince was too smart for organized religion -- I was wrong. | |
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Giovanni777 said: Following a spiritual path is always promising, regardless of the path, as long it relates 2 a belief in God.
Baloney. Do I need to point out the multitude of religious nutcases who murdered in the name of god? Giovanni777 said: I don't agree with the name change/"Slave" comment (in bold). The name change was a brilliant way 2 circumvent the contract.
See what religion does? Believing in baloney makes you believe Prince's baloney. Please explain to me why the fairytales of the Vikings are silly, but the fairytales in the bible are god's word. Oh, and remember, you can't use the bible to prove the bible. You have to come up with a yardstick that explains why your favorite fairytale is true, whilst all others are false, but that yardstick can't be part of your fairytale. © Bart Van Hemelen
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QuakeXLE said: From day one... Prince has muddled sex and religion. Only prince would utter the lords prayer in a song on the same album as songs like Do Me Baby, Private Joy and Head.
Oh please. Can I introduce you to Marvin Gaye? © Bart Van Hemelen
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QuakeXLE said: I understood exactly where you are coming from. Read my previous post to the quote... in which I already responded to everything you just said before you said it.
No, you didn't. H epoints out the difference between an artist who follows his instinct versus an artist who looks at what will score with his fanbase. F.U.N.K. isn't a Camille song, just like Planet Earth isn't a Camille song. They're tracks that are designed to resemble Camille songs, but they lack the essence. Just like 1+1+1=3 is a thinly veiled attempt at a "good" replacement for Erotic City. All you came up with was a bunch of baloney you tell yourself to avoid admitting the truth. You hate what people like Riverpoet31 do: point out exactly what is wrong with Prince. Because you know damn well that he's right, but that would shatter your world and it would force you to admit that Prince hasn't released a decent tune in ages. © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: Because you know damn well that he's right, but that would shatter your world and it would force you to admit that Prince hasn't released a decent tune in ages.
Is that what happened to you, Bart? Did it shatter your world? It seems to me that you're assuming everyone's truth and reaction would be similar, which is as dogmatic and narrowminded a perspective as those religions you look down upon. | |
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If Prince just released an Album full of tunes that sounded like 'F.U.N.K', that would be all the creativity I would ever need.
The shows at London were great though. The Watchtower in Brooklyn is essentially a printing factory and the location of the Governing Body. It is not exactly Lourdes or Mecca. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Giovanni777 said: Following a spiritual path is always promising, regardless of the path, as long it relates 2 a belief in God.
Baloney. Do I need to point out the multitude of religious nutcases who murdered in the name of god? Giovanni777 said: I don't agree with the name change/"Slave" comment (in bold). The name change was a brilliant way 2 circumvent the contract.
See what religion does? Believing in baloney makes you believe Prince's baloney. Please explain to me why the fairytales of the Vikings are silly, but the fairytales in the bible are god's word. Oh, and remember, you can't use the bible to prove the bible. You have to come up with a yardstick that explains why your favorite fairytale is true, whilst all others are false, but that yardstick can't be part of your fairytale. Bart your a good man  | |
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Giovanni777 said: Riverpoet31 said: Quote from 3121.com:
Stevie Wonder called his friend Prince on2 the stage at Madison Square Garden 4 a stinging version of “Superstition.” At one point there were 3 guitars as well as the Wonderman playing his syncopated hookline. That song rivals “Thank U…” by Sly 4 being the funkiest song ever. Prince is in town visiting the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society World Headquarters in New York. I know its discussed many times before in here, and i agree that people are allowed to follow any type of religion they want. But on the other hand i have a strong feeling that Prince, from the moment he joined the JW movement has been 'holding back himself' on a creative level. Not only is he censoring and/or muting down his lyrics, it also appears he feels reluctant to go "all out" with his music. I miss the sometimes manic energy from his earlier music, the all-over-the place type of creativity, the quirky selrelativating humor. His output since Rave probably is often sounding too serious, to selfcontrolled, to subdued to really create a spark. For example, i consider his namechange and 'slave' remarks in the mid-nineties as eccentricity bordering on the insane, but at least on a musical level he sounded like 'himself': part an eccentric, over the top, mad genious & part a selfrelativating bloke, who could make fun of his own eccentricity. Nowadays i often have the feeling he is just taking himself too serious and tries to hard to make his creative output "fit in" with his religious idea's. To me it gives the feeling that he ignores his real drive to create, his 'muse', and that both the lyrics and music, as well as the image he tries to portray is suffering badly from it. Anyone agrees? Following a spiritual path is always promising, regardless of the path, as long it relates 2 a belief in God. Prince has always done so. It is just under (or with) a specific "religion". So what? I don't agree with the name change/"Slave" comment (in bold). The name change was a brilliant way 2 circumvent the contract. "Slave" was relaying his message about major labels. [Edited 11/21/07 12:19pm] What about Trade Center attack? Was their spiritual path of the attackers "promising?" Religion and the thought of "God" in any form is negative -- since God does not exist and religion only exists for people to delude themselves into thinking a certain way. Every person who is spiritual or religious is -mentally ill.- "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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fcukthepolice said: I detest religion with a passion
It makes my skin crawl when Prince spews his hatred and dogma. 'when Larry told me 'the truth' everything changed' The truth? prince tries to convince everyone else that his little book is correct; it's disgusting The only truth is that there is no God and if there was one, he has nothing to do with what goes on in the world, or anything to do with life or death. When you're dead, you're dead. Blackness and nothingness. Only "weak" minded people are religious. And Prince fits that bill, IMHO. "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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