SquirrelMeat said:

He does not but he hasn't always been that way and as much as I love Prince and as big as he is.....I think.....well...I am just going to say it.....I THINK STAR WARS MIGHT BE BIGGER!!

Honestly I think this is Prince's way of cutting the fat around his fan base. you know he has always been ambivilent about admiration. I mean look at how the org blew up in 2004 and now people are leaving (or at least saying they are) in mass numbers.

In my mind this is exactly what Prince wants. "Get the hell out fair weathers and let me concentrate on the real fams, fans, purpleheads" or whatever people call themselves.

Anxiety said:

Well but I think the argument would be are you selling the pic of you or are you using Prince's image to sell the pic of you?

See the internet has opened us all up to Princes and just about every celebrities world. For example I remember Prince talking about some work he had done with No Doubt and Miles and Lenny K. He said that by the time all the lawyers get through with it and the record labels etc. They ruin a cool vibe you did with your friends.

Well now Prince is making us all feel that same thing. By the way I disagree with going after this site and I disagree with the baby vid. In my opinion if his music was created to celebrate life then I think he should accept people celebrating it.

But then I see the video that I saw above and I say "Thanks for saving me that eyesore Prince!!"

chiltonmusic said:

i'm not "selling" a pic of me to anyone, whether there's a prince poster in the background or not!

but really, think of the precedent he could set: if it works for prince, why can't it work for any celebrity? and if it works for celebrities, why can't it work for corporations? why couldn't mcdonalds sue you over a picture of grandma with a big mac in her hand? why wouldn't it work for ANYONE with ENOUGH MONEY?

this is why i am very clear in my dissent regarding prince's latest tantrums, and this is why i say it's a bigger issue than just a bunch of bitter prince fans whining once again. for me, it's definitely free expression issue and there is absolutely no reason incidental images of prince should be considered detrimental to his image or to his career.

and if a license plate has a reference to prince, there is nothing he can do about that and a picture of that plate has nothing to do with his image or career, either.

i agree with the person who called prince's behavior pathological. i think it's paranoid and worrisome. to use a popular word on this site lately, i don't "hate" prince. to be really honest, i'm concerned about him.

Well, I can see Prince's point, but IMO he's taken it too far. He should be going after bootleggers instead of his fans.

chiltonmusic said:

Then I don't see how you can say you agree with Prince... if this were just about bootlegging it would be totally different... we're talking about lawsuits over pictures and tattoos here...

And we can't just gloss over the fact that he did come after this site.
[Edited 11/15/07 22:05pm]

ProgRocker said:

although I understand the legal reasons to pursue the bootlegs, I dont understand the importance of it...if anything, bootlegs have provided Prince with career longevity that most artists will never achieve...so many artists have embraced the idea of fans bootlegging...Bruce Springsteen encourages fans to send in bootleg concerts to his Sirius satellite radio channel...the best ones get played on the air...the Grateful Dead, Widespread Panic, Phish - all "jam bands" that have embraced bootlegs and have enjoyed long standing success becuase of it...

is Prince really concerned with the affect of the financial bottomline in regards to bootlegs...or is it truly an effort to control his product...to me, it comes across as a spoiled kid saying "MINE!!"...without a doubt, it's P's perogative to pursue this in the manner he chooses but speaking only for myself, if it weren't for boots, there wouldn't be as much Prince music in my life...and if it's truly about the music for him, it seems there would be atleast a shred of appreciation for that...other artists recognize that, I don't know why he can't...

I just wanna know how long this is gonna go on?

cream72 said:

What a ridiculous comment. I'm assuming you're a sheep.

Anxiety said:

WOW! There seems to be so much anger and hate against Prince by many on this site alone due to his current actions.

Please tell me...has PRINCE sued your site yet? Has he personally made you take all these photos down for the reasons he is accused of by all the mods on all these sites? Is it for the reasons stated only?

Or is there more to this than just Prince is a "@)@#*@)*@" and he is personally taking my rights away to post, distribute, have people on my sites distribute without me knowing or not knowing bootlegs, copyrighted images, questionable copyrighted images, or keeping me from feeling I can do whatever I want cuz it's my God given (regardless if I believe in God or not), American right to?

You see, I am very, very confused. All I hear is hate against Prince. There is so much slander and accusation towards him. I am NOT saying that these documents from his leagal team and Web Sherriff are not real. I BELIEVE that your site as well as other have received them.

But I just want to know...is there something more to this???

I'm not against you, your site or other sites NOR am I against PRINCE.

Don't call me an unrealistic, Prince can't do any wrong Fam either.

But so far I support Prince. I love this site but I do not like all the hate, sometime flat out lies, slander and basic "crap" that is on here. It has become so bad that sometimes I notice the mods on here lash out their anger against people supporting Prince but at the same time argue that Prince has no right to do what he is accused of by "silencing and controlling" his so called fans.

This is all very stupid and sad.

But I can tell you this...I still jam his music without regret and I have full and total enjoyment when I do.

In fact, "PFUnk" is the tune I can't get enough of and I am sooooo freakin' glad he released it!!! Keep singing "The Song Of The Heart"!

Keep the peace or whatever is said in the org hood.

LOVE U ORG!!! LOVE U PRINCE! LOVE THE MUSIC!!

Love4OneAnother

TikiColadas said:

where is the hate in my post? did you even READ my post before you started attacking it? i very specifically said quite the opposite! you CAN read, correct?

Anxiety said:

well, he/she sure as hell can't spell. He/she lost me with "Don't call me an unrealistic, Prince can't do any wrong Fam either."

Anxiety said:

I din't say you...just hate in general from many on here.

So there you go.

TikiColadas said:

Nice save, Slick.

Anxiety said:

Thank you Anxiety!

LOVE U ORG!!! LOVE U PRINCE! LOVE THE MUSIC!!

jacobpb said:

Art from other Art = Pop Art.

BTW: Didn't one fo these supposed "Fam-sites" attempt to sell a calender of photos a couple of years ago (without permission or pay to Prince)?

Didn't some of these famsites have forums for boots, and "in the earlier days" links to "boot-trading sites". It was wrong years ago.

It's selective policing...

He's not. Youtube..Ebay.."Fam-sites". All imagery. All gone.

"If it's only about discussing Prince's music, you won't need pictures!"

Anxiety said:

roodboi said:

Now I am defintily on Prince's side!

through history something was always taken from another culture and used for some other purpose like advertising in commercials(beatles,sly and family stone etc).little richard always said he was the creator of rock and roll but who has a graceland and calls himself the "king".i remember someone redone the song tootie fruity and became a star in america in the 50's(pat boone).we all remember the wierd al/coolio incident.the song in both versions were good,wierd al didnt have coolio's consent to redo his version of the song gangsters paradise,but coolio had permission from stevie wonders record label to redo the original song ghetto paradise(i dont know if stevie gave consent).my point is this we all should have the right to control our creations because there is always someone who will used someone else's work to make a profit or fame.i am just as guilty i have dvds and songs that i bought from people who made a profit off of me,so coming from both sides of this,i understand Prince's point. if i can call attention to the song "when will we b paid".thats says it all 4 me.

chiltonmusic said:

I think your thinking of YouTube is pretty far off. It can be used to garner fame, but that's not necessarily the case. Accidental fame happens rarely on YouTube. And do you really think the person who posted that video with her baby was looking to gain fame? In the land of "America's Funniest Videos" I have to think differently. And I think the song used could have been anyones, it just happened to be Prince.

Many use it to share videos with friends. Be it a graduation, friends goofing around or maybe a video of a baby dancing to Prince. Or just something they thought was funny or cute or wild. Oft times people will put up content to share to the world that they may have never seen. This can be a live performance or an old video. I've seen some things on there that took me back to my childhood or perhaps I caught a performance that I would never have seen or knew existed. Part of YouTube is capturing video history. I dount anyone posting an old Deelite video that you can't get at all, or the performance where James Brown calls Prince on stage and Prince falls over is looking for any fame. Just looking to share video history. Granted, they may not have the right to post such material, but I disagree with that concept simply based on that they are not making money, nor is the footage they are posting available to be bought.

You know there is a video on YouTube of silly drunk people singing 3121 in the street Should that be taken down?

NPGoperata said:

See cant make a comment without being called a Sheep but then again im not moaning about a few pictures/videos.

The Poster said Prince should do some real Work, so explain to me again what he meant.

superspaceboy said:

so taping myself doing an interpretive dance to the song while wearing the above mentioned skivies and posting it on youtube wouldn't be a good idea???

TikiColadas said:

This is nothing new. Everytime he tries this the fans get pissy. Then he lets up and all is ok...bitter but ok. There is resentment that has been buiding up over the years and it it because of his treatment to his hardcore base who love his music very much. Much of this resentment has to do with that we don't experience this from any other artist.

The 3 sites involved...DO NOT MAKE MONEY FROM HIM. NOR DO THEY HINDER ANYTHING HE IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. They simply provide a place to hang and talk about his music and share experiences. They keep his fan base flourishing. And honestly, if there weren't these sites around he would not have the core he does right now.

chiltonmusic said:

i'm sorta with ya chilton.
i'm not dealing with legalities here which are a separate issue, but i do believe that this site overall is very far from something that prince could be proud of.

superspaceboy said:

I'm sorry i called you silly lookin'. Really.

I find it is good to keep ones sense of humour in the face of adversity.

Prince makes his comeback !!!

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...RDCn5f4hSE

ReginaCarman said:

You know, this is a great point. I read Nietzshce alot, and much of his work was changed after he passed. His sister gained the rights to his work, who was sympathetic to the Nazi cause. This allowed Hitler to abuse Nietzsche's works so that they benefited his cause. Nietzsche had a rather unique style of writing. However, in it's uniqueness, it allows for misinterpretation of his philosophy. Hitler, for example, twisted Nietzsche's writings and used them in Nazi propaganda. Nietzsche's writings supposedly were the basis of National Socialism and Fascism possibly by misinterpreting his factual claims as moral claims. However it occured, it is still a fact that Nietzsche's writings were used in some capacity as justification for attempting to rid the world of certain ethnicities, or the nonSuperman materials, in the opinion of the Nazi's and other associated groups.

So, given the age we're in, where the internet allows essentially anything to take place with one's words, music, art, etc., I think it's very wise of artists to attempt to retain their hold on their material. Who knows what the future holds.

BlackandRising said:

Mod's...please take note of the last two post's above...they need to be given 5 star ratings...Now that's what I call Freedom of Speech...

chiltonmusic said:

then what's the difference between anxiety showing pics of his house with memorabilia and a woman showing her baby dance 2 prince?

Linn4days said:

I don't know the history of the fan sites. Google provides links to bootlegging info, maybe Prince can sue Google. Of course that may take awhile considering there are a zillion other search engines to a zillion other links to a zillion other sites with access to images, info, etc. etc.

So why is Prince so concerned about his fan sites? Hmmmm.

Images are a form of communication. So are song lyrics.

Prince has now found himself in world quite different from MTV and the media monopoly on selective artists (at least to the extent it was). Prince is pretty much doing what he's always done, trying to buck the mainstream and being completely different from what's going on around him (apparently even at the cost of his fans), which is now the reality that anyone can post on Itunes, anyone can post a music video. I mean have you checked peoples' networking/social pages lately? Everybody wants to be Britney Spears. Everybody wants to be a star. And we're all impressed. Yawn.

Nevertheless, some gain mainstream media attention and noteriety. It's only going to get more intense. In my opinion, Prince want's off the boat and willing to sue bouncing babes to do it. He wants to retract from this networking boom.

Too late buddy.