SquirrelMeat said:

I really like that song.

No he hasn't had a real full fledged hit since then. However, look at the other artists that have been dominating the charts since then. The majority of them are either shit hop rappers or singers that sing over shit hop music. Of course he hasn't had a hit since then because the music buyers since then have been a bunch of dull dead asses. I mean, it's not like the 1990s and present are on the level of the 1970s and 1980s when people actually had good taste. Prince not having a hit since 1994 is actually a compliment.

Unless styles change in music for the better, I hope Prince never has another hit because he would have to sell out to accomplish getting one.

You said : You don't get it. Prince is a has been and this explains his whiney behavior. It all started with the "Slave" routine. He was pissed because the symbol album didn't sell enough and he's been trying to get back on top since.

Name me just 1 artist who was cutting edge in music 30 years ago who still writes hit records. There aren't any, that is because young people make the artists. The young generation are not going to go out and buy Prince records and say "wow listen to this new hip music". They want their own identity they choose new bands. Might not even be great bands but they are young, they can identify with their sound and image.

There are very few artists who have been around as long as Prince who could sell out the O2 for 21 nights. The Stones, Bowie, U2, Madonna, M Jackson, Springsteen, Rod Stewart - the list goes on - none of them have hits anymore. So what! They had their time. Girls Aloud, Spice Girls, Take That, Boyzone have all had more hits singles and albums in the UK than Prince has. Does that make them better musicians, songwriters, performers, no of course not. None of them have even 1% of Prince's talent and will not be playing 20,000 seaters for 21 nights in 20 years time. So to all you people slagging off Prince, tell me who do u think is so cool now? And will u be talking about them and going to their concerts in 20 years time or will u think they are washed up has beens?

vainandy said:

I agree. His music just wouldn’t fit in the extremely low standards of the charts today (with a few rare exceptions). Not being in it definetely is a good thing. However, I have recently noticed that some of Prince's music (old and new) is still frequently used in some films and TV programmes... He might have exited the charts, but he has certainly entered the greatest artists of all time category. Very few in the current charts - if any at all - will ever reach this status.

HomeSquid said:

I am sorry but are you smokin' crack!?!

kittylarue2 said:

Right now,
I am.

I'm sorry,
I'm not trying to be mean or nothin',
but whenever I post here, I need to be on something that's pretty damn potent.
I'm just not built with the advanced-type of coping mechanism that's required to deal with most of y'all.

JazzMeUp said:

I agree there is a lot of crap in the charts today, but there was also a lot of in the charts during the 80's too.. its a never ending spiral of crap. Maybe we like the 80's more because of our age group, ask a 14 year old, who is better, Prince or Girls Aloud, 9 out of 10 times, they will say GA, and that doesnt mean they have bad taste, its their taste for the times and they are kids anyway, so who cares what they think right??

anyway, my point is that When Doves Cry and Kiss spent weeks at number one, but we dont say that those songs were crap - its horses for courses, Prince was young, we were all young kids and went out and bought the singles..

Anyone who says Prince doesnt want a hit now is stark raving mad! The guy is desperate for a hit, he needs attention and having a big hit will get him that (no, not a song that made number 36 or number 15, he wants a number one single!!). Black Sweat, TGRES, etc were all examples of him trying to get to number one. Black Sw. in particular had a heavy rotation at the time, but just didnt shift units..

For those talking about Paul Mcartney, MJ, Bowie, Springsteen, The Stones, etc - Im sure they too would love a number one hit. They all do, thats why they're in this game - its not just about making good music, Tthey want to create hits that are memorable beyond their fans, but are recognised in the general public. My wife doesnt like Prince and hardly knows any of his songs, but she knows and actually likes TMBGITW, so this is what I mean - recognition by the masses is what is wanted by major league artists. There is no challenge in keeping the fan(m)s happy - the challenge is getting that hit.

I still think Prince has it in him, of the artists mentioned, its really him and MJ that have a chance.. not sure why, but I cant see The Rolling Stones on the top of the singles charts any more.

If these haters don't leave this man alone!!!Damn.

prodigalfan said:

I have to agree that Guitar is the best song on Planet Earth. As for the rest of the CD, I could care less if I ever heard it again. I thought he was on the right track with 3121 but I'm not diggin Planet Earth at all.

kittylarue2 said:

I with you, kitty. Dudes not too intelligent. And the fact that he thought he came back with a witty response to your crack reference is hilarious. I'm laughing at you squid, not with you. lol Sounds like a highschooler to me. I guess he signed up on this sight because he's a Prince hatter. That's even more funny. What Time is it!?
[Edited 11/22/07 12:28pm]

sosgemini said:

IIRC, Musicology went double platinum in the US with one million copies (= one platinum) being giveaways and one million copies (= one platinum) being regular sales.

IIRC, Lovesexy only sold 500,000 copies in the US (= gold) almost 20 years ago, before the Internet and filesharing were even invented.

As much as I like Lovesexy, we have to be realistic: it's a fan favourite. Most music critics dismissed it, and Joe Public probably doesn't even know it exists unless to tell him that it's the record with Prince being naked on the cover...

Imago said:

True.

roodboi said:

Imago said:

i didn't see this.what did p/carson say?they're both dicks really.carson said some rude shit about p on his late night show one time.maybe that's why.

EmancipationLover said:

Lovesexy is included in his golden period by fans and critics. It also should be pointed out it did much better in Europe, and that much of the American reaction was down to the album cover. Imagine if Justin Timberlake appeared butt-naked on his album cover. Don't you think that would put some buyers off?

damn.. now that you mention it, he really hasn't!


wow..

prince is very underated in england and its a real shame, in america he wins awards after awards nearly every week. How can he try have a sucsessful hit when no radio staion ever plays any of his songs!!!

Didn't Song of the Heart get many accolades...I do remember Betcha By Golly doing very well....And right now I am loving the Planet Earth CD. Isn't that what it is all about really...enjoying the music. I love almost all the sounds of Prince.

purplepolitician said:

I'm with pp, What was said... I wanna know....time to share details

paintedlady said:

I think that eMpTV wasn't kind to Prince will he was fighting The WB in the 90's.


Then, it seemed as if there was some kind of resolution before "Rave".

Even Shitney Houston, who was THE most dull and boring artist of the 1980s sounds better than any of this junk these days. At least she attempted at speeding her tempo up sometimes even though she weakened it with pop. Compared to these kids these days, she sounds as funky as Rick James.

It's not about age at all. My generation and the one before it speeded things up and got away from the slow tempo classical era. These kids have slowed everything back down and are actually going backwards in time and undoing everything that the "Elvis generation" fought for in bringing rhythm to the mainstream. If it weren't for the foul language in today's music, my great grandmother would have loved it because everything is certainly slow enough for her taste.

Linn4days said:

vainandy said:

It has nothing to do with whether its slow of fast. Music today is missing melodies and vocal creativity. Every artist is a carbon copy of the other. They all work with the same producer's in the pop world and in the rock world they all have the same guitar rifts and vocal style. Very boring. Most of todays music you like it for about a week and then you don't care if you ever here it again after that. There's no substance in the music today. You'll never hear radio stations still playing Justin Timberlakes, P diddy's or Breaking Benjamins oldies 30 years from now like you hear them play r & b oldies or classic rock. No one will care or miss them like they do the artist from back in the day like Aretha Franklin, Isley Bros, Eric Clapton, Hendrix and many more. Hip hop has almost killed r & b. There are a few good artist out there that are helping real r and b stay afloat but for the most part r & b is not r & b anymore its just another form of what they've turned hip hop into these days, which is a bunch of ghetto crap.
As for taste people don't have good taste anymore due to what's been pushed down their throats by MTV and other entertainment media. Mediocrity is celebrated and creativity is boring or confusing to people. People are followers, and fall in love with whatever the media says is good. A prime example of mediocrity is when you see some of these awards show's and they put an old r & b diva on the same stage with one of these new chicks. The new chick get's blown off the stage and looks as if she needs to find a new career. American idol winners are selling records these days not real artist who can really get down vocally or write a good song. Again more mediocrity being sold to us as good. I can't believe that people actually run out and buy Clay Aiken cd's. scary!

shayde said:

It's a young market...Still, the new generation of stars seem so.. "hand-picked" that they are not the rage that others were 20 years ago.. These award shows are suffering. That's why they moved them up a bit in time-frame.

the hit thang is a bit confusing. in the same likeness that people reason cd's are becoming almost obsolete, so is the concept of a hit. it is clear that those who control the media have an agenda which promotes certain types of music, and places artistic merit beneath their own profit.

when it comes to Prince's music, his art has kept us continuously interested - and this takes precedence over his attaining hits. he has proved himself time and time again that without major tv or radio play, he can still reach millions of fans, through performance, and his own forms of musical outlet.

Prince has also received endless respect from new artists, and i dont think this is worth more to him than a few executives who couldn't play a note on an instrument. Neither is the executives value of him, worth more than the way his fans love his art.
[Edited 11/27/07 22:42pm]

This was quite an entertaining thread!

Prince probably does not care much when he sells out live shows more than almost any artist these days. But it is a shame that he had no radio hit for that long...

LiveToTell86 said:

I don't think Prince cares about radio hits anymore. He's been through all of that before. I think he mostly just enjoy's putting out the music that he wants to put out without the pressure of just wrtiting a song to make a hit.

I never told her this, but I thought that one of my former drug-dealers was the most beatuiful girl in the world that I had ever seen.

She eventually ended up getting busted.
And even though I now frequent a new dealer,
I feel that, in my heart, I also haven't had a real hit since.

I' sorry, guys, I'm usually polite but I'm forced to let it rip this time:


Lock this thread. These sort of trite, banal topics attract the most posts and is not doing prince.org's reputation any good.For the first time, I'm getting 25 per cent of any idea about why Prince doesn't like these sites.
What hits are we talking about? We're talking about Prince, he's been making records since 1978. He is probably the only rock and roll artist who's still making meaningful music well into his 50s. Are we still teenagers? Do you want a Prince NO.1? What for? To satisfy your ego and convince your neighbour that prince is still good? Well, change your worldview. If a hit is the only criteria, then let's open a blog about britney spears as well. For once, appreciate the music for what it is, rather than forcing prince to dish out the sort of limited rock or pop record you want. Since Musicology and since prince became "hip" again, so to speak (a breakthrough which owed a lot to the slow but steady acceptance of the brilliance of the Rainbow Children), i've found prince fans can be classified into two communities:
1. The older ones and the so-called critics. For prince, it's easy to satisfy these people. Just put a 10-minute guitar solo in every song, or a quirky piano part, and moan and groan over the lord's prayer. That's not how he composes his music anymore: he wants the focus to be on the songwriting. But he can do 23-minute jams too, that's the way he works in the studio and live sometimes. Just listen to the bootlegs. It's the songwriting that counts. Us people didn't like the intense cyber-prince R & B era because prince was in a different zone. We just couldn't relate. Part of prince is still in that zone.
2. The newbies. They don't know their A-sides from their B-sides. Nuff said. Some want him to be Snoop Dogg, some Hendrix. They can't completely relate to prince either.
And yes, it's true that the stupid discussions about Planet Earth being a bad album affected its reputation. We would have done the same to ATWIAD and Parade too if he had released it now. How many people could understand a new album called `parade', especially if kiss wasn't a hit and prince's mystique levels weren't that high? We would all say it's outdated trash, and people would buy it. It's like the hacks in the media influencing people about topics they have no clue about.
I'm sick and tired of discussions about how prince doesn't have a hit since 'most beautiful.." what, is it a better song than "the word"? or "moon beam levels"? or "in a large room with no lights"? Or "My computer?" Yes and no. Would it have been a better song or a bad song if it was just tucked away into an album and wasn't a hit? Can you decide? No.
Grow up, guys, young and old alike. That includes me too, obviously. I've been guilty of this so-called speculation as much as the next guy. But a discussion about the lack of hits again? Is this a michael jackson forum? That guy has no identity apart from the hits. We're talking prince here.