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Reply #30 posted 11/13/07 10:00pm

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daPrettyman said:

Since the release of PFUnk, has your perspective changed? I don't know why, but mine has kind of changed.

I am probably one of the biggest P fans on earth. I have always supported his artistic rights, intelluctual rights, ownership of master recordings, etc., but somehow, I can't seem to agree with him on the issue of sueing (or the threat to do so) fans and fan sites for supporting him.

As many of u know, I frequent this site. I love the people here and have met a few good friends. We always respect his wishes that he posts on 3121, NPGMC, etc., but it pisses me off to think that he would threaten to sue people for having his album cover or prince as an avitar. Come on dude...get a life.

After listening to PFUnk, it took my "dislike" to another level. Sure it sounds good and is 1000% better than anything on PE, but come on, the song just disses us as fans. This makes me question, do I want to support an artist who doesn't seem to want the support. Additionally, do I want to support an artist who disses his fans (I know he's not talking to all of us, but there should be a line drawn).

How do u guys feel?


How do you know it was him who specified what needs to be taken down from the internet and not his money hungry lawyers or money grabby web sheriff??
[Edited 11/14/07 8:17am]
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Reply #31 posted 11/13/07 10:10pm

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ElCapitan said:

I've never confused Prince with someone I would personally like.

I think if more people stopped pretending that they have a personal relationship with Prince, or like they KNOW him, or like he is their FRIEND, then they would feel less hurt when it becomes apparent that Prince doesn't even know they exist on the same planet, or when he sticks strictly to the laws that govern his business.

He's a musician. He makes music. If I like it, I buy it or wait to hear it on the radio or TV. If I don't like it (or something that he has done), he's fairly easy to ignore.

It's best to keep a healthy distance and perspective in regards to someone as famous (if not infamous) as Prince. It's easy to want to be a part of someone’s life as glamorous and interesting as his. But it's impossible for him to have a loving relationship with everyone who is aware of him or who wants to be near him, and for him to treat everyone like a personal friend. 1 Guy - Millions of People. I'm happy as long as he keeps making the music and performing.
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Reply #32 posted 11/13/07 10:20pm

GreenLeaves

PDogz said:

ElCapitan said:

I've never confused Prince with someone I would personally like.

I think if more people stopped pretending that they have a personal relationship with Prince, or like they KNOW him, or like he is their FRIEND, then they would feel less hurt when it becomes apparent that Prince doesn't even know they exist on the same planet, or when he sticks strictly to the laws that govern his business.

He's a musician. He makes music. If I like it, I buy it or wait to hear it on the radio or TV. If I don't like it (or something that he has done), he's fairly easy to ignore.

It's best to keep a healthy distance and perspective in regards to someone as famous (if not infamous) as Prince. It's easy to want to be a part of someone’s life as glamorous and interesting as his. But it's impossible for him to have a loving relationship with everyone who is aware of him or who wants to be near him, and for him to treat everyone like a personal friend. 1 Guy - Millions of People. I'm happy as long as he keeps making the music and performing.


...Where'd you get that from? I haven't seen anybody bitch about feeling personally betrayed.
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Reply #33 posted 11/13/07 11:41pm

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PDogz said:

ElCapitan said:

I've never confused Prince with someone I would personally like.

I think if more people stopped pretending that they have a personal relationship with Prince, or like they KNOW him, or like he is their FRIEND, then they would feel less hurt when it becomes apparent that Prince doesn't even know they exist on the same planet, or when he sticks strictly to the laws that govern his business.

He's a musician. He makes music. If I like it, I buy it or wait to hear it on the radio or TV. If I don't like it (or something that he has done), he's fairly easy to ignore.

It's best to keep a healthy distance and perspective in regards to someone as famous (if not infamous) as Prince. It's easy to want to be a part of someone’s life as glamorous and interesting as his. But it's impossible for him to have a loving relationship with everyone who is aware of him or who wants to be near him, and for him to treat everyone like a personal friend. 1 Guy - Millions of People. I'm happy as long as he keeps making the music and performing.

excellent feedback... u need a hug 4 that one PDogz hug
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Reply #34 posted 11/13/07 11:59pm

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GreenLeaves said:

I haven't seen anybody bitch about feeling personally betrayed.

Really? I have, in many threads, over the past several weeks, and in particular; the past several days.
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Reply #35 posted 11/14/07 12:28am

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no. the few books ive read about him.....this isnt so surprising.on the other hand sum ppl on the forum are a different story.
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Reply #36 posted 11/14/07 12:33am

Peace8Love

daPrettyman said:

Since the release of PFUnk, has your perspective changed? I don't know why, but mine has kind of changed.

I am probably one of the biggest P fans on earth. I have always supported his artistic rights, intelluctual rights, ownership of master recordings, etc., but somehow, I can't seem to agree with him on the issue of sueing (or the threat to do so) fans and fan sites for supporting him.

As many of u know, I frequent this site. I love the people here and have met a few good friends. We always respect his wishes that he posts on 3121, NPGMC, etc., but it pisses me off to think that he would threaten to sue people for having his album cover or prince as an avitar. Come on dude...get a life.

After listening to PFUnk, it took my "dislike" to another level. Sure it sounds good and is 1000% better than anything on PE, but come on, the song just disses us as fans. This makes me question, do I want to support an artist who doesn't seem to want the support. Additionally, do I want to support an artist who disses his fans (I know he's not talking to all of us, but there should be a line drawn).

How do u guys feel?


A little bit
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Reply #37 posted 11/14/07 5:21am

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Yes it has, I would never have questioned him before all this, through his lyrics he emits a sense that he is somebody who believes in what's right and just, this whole thing has shown that he is nothing but a hypocrite. He needs a kicking.
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Reply #38 posted 11/14/07 6:58am

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Not so much.
I've always thought he was an ego-maniac and kind of a prick.
As of late, DEFINATELY in the twilight of his career.
Especially since his internet fixation, going somewhat insane.

So i guess the simple answer would be "no".
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Reply #39 posted 11/14/07 8:06am

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He still manages to surprise me how low he can sometimes stoop, but in general, my few of hasn't changed for the last 15 years.

He's a musical legend, but an arse of a bloke.

In fact its very common for a genius in a field to be a horrible person. They are so obsessed in their art, they fail to learn or follow general manners and respect.

Just look at Princes career. From Andre Cymone and Jam & Lewis, to cease and desists against supportive fan sites. Prince has spent his whole life pushing people away or shitting on them.

He likes to tell people he loves them, while asking them to sign one sided contracts in his favour.

True Napoleon syndrome.
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Reply #40 posted 11/14/07 8:11am

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lottielooloo1968 said:

it did change because i thought he was a nice guy. still can't get my head around the recent events...
BUT i been watching old footage/vids...the visual helps! u have 2 love this man. razz

i don't agree with what he's up 2. he's removed from reality & living in a JW bubble.
he's just misguided & probably fancies a bit of drama. neutral



You thought he was a nice guy? Any P fam knows P is not always nice, just look to the past and all th stories of shit he has done to folks.
That said, he is still the baddest mf to walk the planet!!
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Reply #41 posted 11/14/07 8:15am

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After hearing people complain about how they weren't free to speak their mind on the NPGMC site, my view hasn't really changed on him. However, that was his site and he can do as he pleases with it. It's kind of like ....."you can't say whatever you want to about me on the street but I be damned if you are going to come up in my house and disrespect me"..... and I'm the exact same way. However, when you try to stop people from speaking their mind on other sites, then you are trying to stop them from having their own opinions and want control them, their tastes, and their way of thinking.
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Reply #42 posted 11/14/07 8:47am

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Yeah, my opinion of Prince has changed because of this action against his fan sites. Love his music, but the fact that he pulled this jerky move colors my enjoyment of his music. Why should I, as a fan, continue supporting someone who shows blantant unappreciation for my loyalty?

He handled this very, very poorly.

What he should have done was this:

Post an open letter to his fans on his official website, explaining his need to control his image. He should have listed specific requests about not posting certain types of photos or links to bootlegs, etc.

In his letter, he could have explained in a friendly yet firm tone what consequences would result if his requests weren't heeded.

All websites would have been fairly warned.

Instead, out of the blue, he sicks his lawyers on his very own fan-sites who have clearly done their best to moderate each site. They've done nothing but support him and his music and create forums for open discussion of his music.

It's all in how you handle things.

And THEN - in response to PFansUnited, he MOCKS us.

That's a f*cked up way to treat your biggest fans.
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Reply #43 posted 11/14/07 8:56am

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

No cool

He still "whispers music in my ear that rocks my world" dancing jig

What he does in his "free time" is none of my personal business.

People can call me oblivious, but I've remained unaffected by this.

To me, there's more to being a supporter than the Internet goodies. [Although, I'd like to add... Love (acoustic) and PFunk are dancing jig ]

As long as the music still gets written and albums are still produced,

I'm cool cool
[Edited 11/13/07 11:06am]

I second that!
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Reply #44 posted 11/14/07 9:00am

ButterscotchPi
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pplrain said:

daPrettyman said:

Since the release of PFUnk, has your perspective changed? I don't know why, but mine has kind of changed.

I am probably one of the biggest P fans on earth. I have always supported his artistic rights, intelluctual rights, ownership of master recordings, etc., but somehow, I can't seem to agree with him on the issue of sueing (or the threat to do so) fans and fan sites for supporting him.

As many of u know, I frequent this site. I love the people here and have met a few good friends. We always respect his wishes that he posts on 3121, NPGMC, etc., but it pisses me off to think that he would threaten to sue people for having his album cover or prince as an avitar. Come on dude...get a life.

After listening to PFUnk, it took my "dislike" to another level. Sure it sounds good and is 1000% better than anything on PE, but come on, the song just disses us as fans. This makes me question, do I want to support an artist who doesn't seem to want the support. Additionally, do I want to support an artist who disses his fans (I know he's not talking to all of us, but there should be a line drawn).

How do u guys feel?


How do you know it was him who specified what needs to be taken down from the internet and not his money hungry lawyers or money grabby web sheriff??
[Edited 11/14/07 8:17am]




Oh, that's easy.
Because instead of speaking to the press and saying "it wasn't me, my lawyers over-stepped, Web Sheriff doesn't represent my views", he released a (and i use this lightly) a "diss-song" to the fans.

So, i'd say that confirms that all of this bull-shit is coming from HIM.
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Reply #45 posted 11/14/07 9:49am

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I still enjoy Prince...I could really care less about all the extra controversy.
Life Is What You Make It...
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Reply #46 posted 11/14/07 10:59am

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lottielooloo1968 said:

it did change because i thought he was a nice guy.
lol
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Reply #47 posted 11/14/07 11:18am

GreenLeaves

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GreenLeaves said:

I haven't seen anybody bitch about feeling personally betrayed.

Really? I have, in many threads, over the past several weeks, and in particular; the past several days.


...Nah, I've just seen people pissed at attempts to control what they say and where - justifiably so, in my opinion.

I have, on the other hand, seen people who are apparently so emotionally invested in a musician they don't know that they feel they have to lecture anyone who disagrees with the personal stance and tactics used by that individual.

*shrug*
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Reply #48 posted 11/14/07 11:25am

Namid

[i]no - my view is clear
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Reply #49 posted 11/14/07 11:54am

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PDogz said:

ElCapitan said:

I've never confused Prince with someone I would personally like.

I think if more people stopped pretending that they have a personal relationship with Prince, or like they KNOW him, or like he is their FRIEND, then they would feel less hurt when it becomes apparent that Prince doesn't even know they exist on the same planet, or when he sticks strictly to the laws that govern his business.

He's a musician. He makes music. If I like it, I buy it or wait to hear it on the radio or TV. If I don't like it (or something that he has done), he's fairly easy to ignore.

It's best to keep a healthy distance and perspective in regards to someone as famous (if not infamous) as Prince. It's easy to want to be a part of someone’s life as glamorous and interesting as his. But it's impossible for him to have a loving relationship with everyone who is aware of him or who wants to be near him, and for him to treat everyone like a personal friend. 1 Guy - Millions of People. I'm happy as long as he keeps making the music and performing.

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Reply #50 posted 11/14/07 11:56am

Smillan

I don't think what he is doing now will affect the way I listen to him. I like the music and don't take any of this personally although some people seem tot ake it that way. I think, to see if it truly affects you, would any of you not get his next album when it comes out?
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Reply #51 posted 11/14/07 12:05pm

SummerRain

daPrettyman said:

Since the release of PFUnk, has your perspective changed? I don't know why, but mine has kind of changed.

I am probably one of the biggest P fans on earth. I have always supported his artistic rights, intelluctual rights, ownership of master recordings, etc., but somehow, I can't seem to agree with him on the issue of sueing (or the threat to do so) fans and fan sites for supporting him.

As many of u know, I frequent this site. I love the people here and have met a few good friends. We always respect his wishes that he posts on 3121, NPGMC, etc., but it pisses me off to think that he would threaten to sue people for having his album cover or prince as an avitar. Come on dude...get a life.

After listening to PFUnk, it took my "dislike" to another level. Sure it sounds good and is 1000% better than anything on PE, but come on, the song just disses us as fans. This makes me question, do I want to support an artist who doesn't seem to want the support. Additionally, do I want to support an artist who disses his fans (I know he's not talking to all of us, but there should be a line drawn).

How do u guys feel?

How does Prince taking control of his financial business affect him as a musician? The music hasn't changed (pfunk proved that), he hasn't been convicted of any felonies, he hasn't been seen acting inappropriately, and he's not been in the media constantly being accused of negative repetitive accusations, so why would my view of him change? I love Prince and always will, and to downgrade my opinion of him would take self eye witness evidence to do it.
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Reply #52 posted 11/19/07 9:52pm

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Neophyte said:

daPrettyman said:


Let me set the record straight....I still love him and his music, but it seems as if he is trying to alienate us as fans with threats. This is not the 1st time he's done it, but this is the 1st time I've felt this way. Maybe I'm just tired of the same old stuff.

Many fell out with him over 10 years ago with the Crystall Ball fiasco. I didn't because I knew better than to "pre-order" a cd. Many fell out with him over the NPGMC stuff...I didn't because I felt I got my money's worth both years.

I still love and respect him musically but am a little upset with him. It's like being in a bad relationship, you still love the person, but feel that it may be time to move on.



Move on to who? (that's a genuine question btw not sarcasm). After P, where do you go, whose gonna do it for you in the way he can/has - musically?


When I say "move on"...I mean mentally and as a fan...not musically. I'll still support him and be the 1st one in line for a show, but I've lost some respect for him over this fiasco.
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Reply #53 posted 11/19/07 9:55pm

blackwell1

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I might be bias with my opinion, but nope. I still love and respect uncle P. My views are the same as they were 30 years ago. He is still cool. Different, but cool.


lol What JellyBean said.
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Reply #54 posted 11/19/07 9:57pm

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toejam said:

My view hasn't changed. Prince always clamps down on his fans during the 'off season' (ie. with no new album or tour to promote). It has almost become a sign of big things to come lol.

As for the song, well, the message isn't really any different from "Love", "Billy Jack Bitch" or "Hello", basically he's saying "stay the hell outta my face!" lol

In some ways it's just reinforced the 'badass' that Prince is. He never plays by the rules - be it artistically, buisness wise or even with fans. Sometimes it works in his favour, and other times it does not. Who knows, maybe in 10 years time people will look back and respect him for being the first major artist to 'stand up for his digital rights' or whatever.


Not really. To me, "Love" was about the fans and them criticizing his religious beliefs. That didn't bother me because I didn't question his faith. "BJB" was about a reporter that pissed him of and called him "Symbolina". "Hello" was about the We Are The World recording session. None of those compare to him saying we can't express our opinions, creat our own "Prince-themed" avitars, or quote lyrics as fans. It's like he's trying to bite the hand that feeds him.
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Reply #55 posted 11/19/07 9:59pm

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pplrain said:

daPrettyman said:

Since the release of PFUnk, has your perspective changed? I don't know why, but mine has kind of changed.

I am probably one of the biggest P fans on earth. I have always supported his artistic rights, intelluctual rights, ownership of master recordings, etc., but somehow, I can't seem to agree with him on the issue of sueing (or the threat to do so) fans and fan sites for supporting him.

As many of u know, I frequent this site. I love the people here and have met a few good friends. We always respect his wishes that he posts on 3121, NPGMC, etc., but it pisses me off to think that he would threaten to sue people for having his album cover or prince as an avitar. Come on dude...get a life.

After listening to PFUnk, it took my "dislike" to another level. Sure it sounds good and is 1000% better than anything on PE, but come on, the song just disses us as fans. This makes me question, do I want to support an artist who doesn't seem to want the support. Additionally, do I want to support an artist who disses his fans (I know he's not talking to all of us, but there should be a line drawn).

How do u guys feel?


How do you know it was him who specified what needs to be taken down from the internet and not his money hungry lawyers or money grabby web sheriff??
[Edited 11/14/07 8:17am]

P has to approve EVERYTHING that goes through his lawyers. He has always been about control and he thinks he can do the same for people like us...like he's done to the big boys.
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Reply #56 posted 11/19/07 10:10pm

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SummerRain said:

daPrettyman said:

Since the release of PFUnk, has your perspective changed? I don't know why, but mine has kind of changed.

I am probably one of the biggest P fans on earth. I have always supported his artistic rights, intelluctual rights, ownership of master recordings, etc., but somehow, I can't seem to agree with him on the issue of sueing (or the threat to do so) fans and fan sites for supporting him.

As many of u know, I frequent this site. I love the people here and have met a few good friends. We always respect his wishes that he posts on 3121, NPGMC, etc., but it pisses me off to think that he would threaten to sue people for having his album cover or prince as an avitar. Come on dude...get a life.

After listening to PFUnk, it took my "dislike" to another level. Sure it sounds good and is 1000% better than anything on PE, but come on, the song just disses us as fans. This makes me question, do I want to support an artist who doesn't seem to want the support. Additionally, do I want to support an artist who disses his fans (I know he's not talking to all of us, but there should be a line drawn).

How do u guys feel?

How does Prince taking control of his financial business affect him as a musician? The music hasn't changed (pfunk proved that), he hasn't been convicted of any felonies, he hasn't been seen acting inappropriately, and he's not been in the media constantly being accused of negative repetitive accusations, so why would my view of him change? I love Prince and always will, and to downgrade my opinion of him would take self eye witness evidence to do it.

It's not about him taking control of his financial business...it's about him attacking (for lack of a better word) fans by saying you can't go to other sites and talk BAD about me. It's not about money or music....it's about respect for the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I love Prince as if he was a family member. I will continue to support him through the good and bad songs. I will continue to talk about his genius to friends and family members, but this is the first time I have ever been "hurt" (for lack of a better word) by him.
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