I love this org., but I am about to become black balled I fear.

First of all, go here and read

http://fairuse.stanford.e...9/9-a.html

It's an easy read, so read it all.

The question is, does the org cross the line of fair use of images and content? Well, I don't know. Let's look. Would I have ever came here in the first place if it were not called prince dot org? No. It was the name of it that drew me here, and so it was his name that did this. His images and his words sells magazines and cd's.

When this happens, circulations make revenue simply based on his work. Many times he does not get paid for it. Well, fair use of copyright law creates a safe haven for publications to use limited amounts of his image in their magazines.


The four factors judges consider are:

the purpose and character of your use
the nature of the copyrighted work
the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
the effect of the use upon the potential market.
http://fairuse.stanford.e...9/9-b.html


Does the org abuse any of these principles?
I believe that purpose and character are okay here,
I think the nature of the copyrighted work is also okay here,
I do, however think that the amount of content, and in that, the amount of images and such, could be in question, simply because OF
the effect of the use on the potential market.


If you are an artist, and you have ever had someone else make money off of your labor or gain recognition for your work, then you would understand how hurt feelings, anger, and law suits are so prevailant in this business.

hollywooddove said:

It's time to go to court and find out, isn't it.

SquirrelMeat said:

Sorry Bud! It is what it is!!! Brilliance, Captivation, and Whimsicality...go head!!go head!! go head!!! PFunk. Sq....m limo warm? Peace

4bjb said:

But you realise that PFU is in fact not lying right?
And here we have Prince singing they are, while at the same time releasing a statement to the press that says that this site is phoney and its owner a pirate who's in it to make major cash.
And this is the type of thing you want to support? Interesting.

i’ve only just found out what ‘fams’ means..so this is how Prince treats his family?? as much as he’s such a fantastic musician,singer and perfomer he lives on another planet and he just doesn’t know how to treat those around him.. and now he’s completely undoing all the good he’s done over the last few months..it’s such a shame..

the track; absolutely fantastic, i can’t stop listening to it…but the lyrical intentions absolutely suck…so all the fams are picking on/using him…
oh let’s all feel sorry for Prince…grow you silly man…

what would happen if all these people you’re trying to censor, control and manipulate stop buying your records and concert tickets…

everytime you start doing really well you then do something to totally alienate everyone, particulary those who love and support you and your work..we’ve been here before haven’t we?

but this time you’ve gone way too far..

this sounds just like a scene out of Purple Rain doesn’t it?

Copycat said:

U're wrong...weemo is no doubt PFU/housequake/prince.org hatin on P.

ZsaZsaZsu said:

Prince has always said he wants his music to speak loudest for him. Guess what!! some of us love it...why cuz, he told Pfu and who ever else where to go...if u know what I mean. I respect Prince for many reasons...as it relates to this subject matter he is "standing on solid ground" and that is what he believes. If u don't stand 4 something u will fall 4 for any and all bullshit i.e the stuff that Pfu is putting out. I support Prince all the way. Go head!! Go head!! Go Head!!!!! for Prince and the PrinceFamsUnited. We up and running now. Hey!! Hey!! Hey!!!

Wheres the diss in the lyrics? They're absolutely hopeless and suggest if nothing else that it may be true he created that song in one day on a whim. Shame, because the music is enjoyable.

4bjb said:

It doesn't mean anything to you that Prince is blatantly lying in response to what PFU has to say? He's calling the guy who made this site that enabled you to post your fammyfam stuff a pirate and a thief.

it's weavalicious not weemolicious lawd people do not listen


media can be a terrible thing watch some idiot join with the name weemolicios

hollywooddove said:

all of the above is in question ! and while HOusequake might be guilty of many in the video forum and I enjoyed seeing those videos it wasn't as if they were selling materials. was it still wrong with out a doubt since the laws of sharing on the internet are much more strict

seagoblin said:

Yeah, Prince laid out his definition of "fams" a few years back.

"Fams" are people that absolutely agree with everything Prince says or does.

"Fams" are the ones that even now support him in his ridiculous crusade against fan sites that primarily keep his name out there to be discussed.

"Fams" are people that get sucked in and because Prince dusted off his "Camille" voice, popped a bass a few times and did a little solo think that "DAMN!!!! HE TOLD THEM!!!! WOOO HOOO!!!!! IN YOUR FACE, PFU!!!!"

"Fams" quite simply are purple sheep that blindly follow their shepherd whereever he may lead them. Even if it's off a purple cliff.

After listening to the track a few more times, I think it's true that the song is not directed to fans, but to Perez Hilton, as stated by another orger on some other thread. A look at the lyrics certainly backs that up as he seems to be addresing one person in particular, not a "community".


Don't get me wrong. I think his actions as of late are shady at best. If he really just "wanted to give fans exclusive content", it's quite easy to do WITHOUT alienating the people who stuck by him thru the other bullshit.

Shorty said:

love the pic too.

I've said it before, and sadly, I'll say it again, but I have no idea how that man can dance so well when he keeps shooting himself in the foot!

Great tune. It has been 20 years since he's done something like that track!

Do we have to piss of this guy to get him to make great music?

If that is the case, Prince... you are a poophead.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait for the funky beats!


PS, I wonder if Sheila is sampled in that song or if she was in the studio with him.

hilton02895 said:

It all stems from that mind-numbing, intellect-choking, behavior-warping, bane-of-mankind elixir traditionally known as "organized" religion... There's no other explanation for this nonsense from this dude... I knew the minute he started changing lyrics to his old jams to express religious characters and themes, we as fans OF HIS MUSIC, were in for some bullsh*t...

That's one on my biggest problems with people who go "holy" (whatevea the frick that's 'sposed to mean), they become 12-pound-road-lizard crazy with some bizarre brand of fanaticism; sleeping in sterilized chambers, dissin' old friends & fam, or start talking about sh*t like "staros" at they live gigs...

I WILL alwayz continue to enjoy Prince's MUSIC, but dude can take his tired religious fanatic pimp-game and stick it right in between the holes on them notorious pants of his...

I'm through with this crazy sh*t.

happyhappy said:

I hear you, but no artist is ever going to put out an album that is above criticism, you can never please all of the people all of the time, and as consumers people have the write to critique the album all the want. You have to develop thick skin and get used to that kind of behavior from people in the music business and life in general. This man has been in the business for over 25 years, I truly question whether mere criticism of a record is what really prompted all of this.

VelvetJ said:

So true. Could it be he has barely any friends left because he quickly gets rid of the ones that try to criticize him? Could it be that both of his marriages didn't work, because his wifes started to question his actions?
Even in his songs he likes to blame others, while it's never his fault.

My advice for Prince: Instead of sueing and getting rid of everybody who dares to criticize you, you should take a long hard look at the man in the mirror!!

Ellie said:

well said.....

I guess we can just use this pic to refer to the purple one. . .


[Edited 11/10/07 12:52pm]

seagoblin said:

Couldn't have said it better, myself!!!!

Just a comment about some words upthread a ways...

for the purposes of this situation, HQ, PrinceFams, and prince.org are united with a singular purpose to make Prince call off the lawyerly dogs and respect our Constitutional rights. There are of course differences among the sites and what we each offer, past and present, but I don't want to see any anti-HQ or anti-PrinceFams arguments unless you're conversant in the full facts, which, because we haven't (yet) released the C&Ds and other emails, no one outside the PFU folks and our counsel truly are.

Please guys, stay focused on the macro issues right now. There's plenty of time to debate the minutae when everything comes out in the wash, but right now if you can avoid speculating about the details, it would be appreciated. Still, you're free to discuss anything you like (this IS prince.org after all, and that's the point of the forums!) but your solidarity is helpful to our efforts right now, is all.

Thanks!

m3taverse said:

You know, I don't think anyone ever wins in court except for the lawyers in these situations. I have encountered such threats from businesses in where I have used their business names and logos in works of art and design. I have had personal letters show up in the mail as well as cease and desist emails.

I have folded at times, and at other times I have not.

Why oh why was that put-down of a song placed on the protest website? Prince must be laughing his ass off. He knows some of his fans are so obsessed that they will hand him their self respect just to get some attention from him. Is there a reason that the PFU folks didn't tell Paisley Park to stuff it when given this track? I mean, c'mon. He's completely insulting ya'll and you help him by sucking up at every turn. Makes me question the "mission" of PFU if they can't even stand up and do the right thing this early in the game.

People are logging in here saying the Prince is a hypocrite, well, at least he's sticking to his guns. How hypocritical is it for PFU to, on one hand, complain that Prince is treating them like crap, and on the other hand, to post his rant against them? It's almost like an abusive relationship at this point and I just don't get it. Could someone please explain the logic to me?

There is something wrong when a man pushing 50 is releasing "diss tracks."

viewaskew said:

mene1948 said:

I second this!

kathnbrit said:

If that song is an "insult", then i'm missing something.
It's barely a "response".

It's posted because in the fairness to everyone that's not spending every hour on the hour checking, reading and responding to every single post, article or thread, it's easier to go to the site and read what's current news.

Posting that track was just that. Current news. His only "response" i might add. Most people (that aren't fams) are laughing at the fact that Prince would call that "a response".

ben said:

Good luck with your stance and just to let you know its not only in the USA that these cease and desist threats are abrogating peoples rights.

Those same rights are in danger in the UK, albeit without a written constitution

Trying to force people to remove material that they don't own is as wrong as publishing material you don't own

I think someone got cowboys instead of sheriffs

Thank you for taking a stand

That takes guts