the latest update on 3121 contains just a handprint with love 4 one another on it and a heart in the palm area its really nice


posted by Love 4 One Another ~ L4OA

http://www.3121.com/blog/?p=115

So is it a message to the fans and the PFU? and if so what do people think of it?

otherwise it could be the symbol for his new charity stuff

NICE!

For me, it brings back bad memories of that L4OA time period, with the madness over that site and who controlled it, why it existed, and how the Prince fan community got ripped apart... mainly because of the way Paisley Park went about setting up that site and communicating with the fans. Nobody, but a select few, knew if the letters from Paisley Park were legitimate or just created by a bunch of overzealous fans, It's not surprising that logo is up on 3121, because one of those overzealous fans (Kathy), who assumed control of the project, is still the person who posts on 3121... I believe.

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I would simply ask this. Is Prince showing love 4 one another when he sends cease and desists to the org. A fan site that goes of its way to remain legitimate?

Maybe we're about to get double charged for Crystal Ball 2







I'm still waiting on a copy from Crystal Ball 1 though

Imago said:

Will it include a booklet this time?!?!?!?!

Imago said:

And this time it'll be even more Kirky J remixes of late 90's NPG tracks, instead of all the great unreleased tracks that could have been put on the collection. Prince really loves to force feed his hardcore fanbase his "newer" outtakes. It's like he's saying, you better love the new and old stuff, no matter what! Some of that 90's stuff is good (Calhoun Square, What's My Name?) but it's a crime that songs like 2Morrow and Get Loose! were released, yet Empty Room and the original Endorphinemachine are unreleased.

SquirrelMeat said:

It will have to. I mean, I can't very well expect 3121.com to actually contain the images I need.

Why couldn't D'Angelo's favorite bootleg be "Cosmic Day" or "Turn It Up" or "Witness 4 the Prosecution" or "All My Dreams" or "Wonderful Ass" or "Rebirth of the Flesh" or "Dance with the Devil" or "Moonbeam Levels" or "Love Thy Will B Done" or "Schoolyard"...

instead of

"Movie Star"

F*cking D'Angelo!!!!

b3xy said:

Goodness, it's your handprint - sue him for using it without permission and make him pay royalties!

lspear76 said:

I wonder if we'll receive emails from npgmc about all the "haters" who have the audacity to complain that they were double charged and received the product without a sleeve months after it appeared on store shelves.

lspear76 said:

b3xy said:

Actually that is the symbol of his charity, oddly enough called Love 4 One Another, which has been around for quite some time. It is also the symbol that was used for his Love 4 One Another website that was around in the 90s.

However, the subject of that post on 3121.com states: Undefined, which could also translate into Unconditional. I'm sure that it is a message to the fans that true Love 4 One Another is undefined.

I actually miss the old Love 4 One Another website as there seemed to be more interaction among the fans during that time period. They use to ask questions of fans and post the replies on the website, such as: If U could cr8 ur world, what would it b like? And others. Also there use to be a bunch of essays or such that came from the site itself...



removal of texts edit
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How come love4oneanother never posted mine?

Help r furry friends - Donate spare time 2 your local married female neighbor... Giving a wife in a loveless marriage some extra unconditional "love" is enriching, 2! It's the gift that keeps on giving!
-contributed by: Lou

lspear76 said:

LOL ~ Perhaps that's not the kind of loving they were looking for? But go on with your bad self and be nice to that furry friend!

LittleRedCorvette said:

I think there might have been some changes to entries on 3121.com.

My RSS feed from the site is all muddled up and it show an entry at 12:14 am which has been removed (http://www.3121.com/blog/?p=114). I guess it might be difficult to know what to post when the people who loved Prince and his music are feeling so angry.

lspear76 said:

I would hope that one of the charms of marriage is that they were partner's in
innocent crime, rather than, deceive eachother.

ladycat said:

I can appreciate that ladycat. I know that logo was there earlier yesterday, then gone for awhile, and then reposted. So not sure what was up with all of that.

I guess for me, I'm not sure WHY everyone is so angry. I got into Prince back in the early 80s with Little Red Corvette (got beat up by my ex-husband because I said the man was sexy in that video), became a closet fan (turned off his music when it came on when my ex was around but listened to it when it came on when he wasn't around) and finally got into him full-fledged without hiding back in the late 90s (after divorcing that bum) and had so many years worth of music to get caught up on. So I guess I missed a lot of the earlier hoopla surrounding Prince. All of this has made me re-examine why I got into him in the first place. It was simply the music and how that music made me feel. It was what I saw of him the first time I saw him in concert in 97, which wasn't this superstar on stage, but simply a man doing what he loves to do. It was what I saw behind his eyes and what he's shared in his music.

So he doesn't want us posting his images, it was never about his image for me to begin with. It was the music and what he shared in the music and how that music made me feel and how that music played in my life experiences.

So he wants compensation for the use of copyrighted pictures. I had asked in a previous thread if anyone had offered him anything at all for that. I knew that it was a token thing with Prince, a sort of "Hey, we did use some copyrighted images and we're sorry. What can we do to make that up to you? Could we possibly do a fund raiser for your Love 4 One Another charity as compensation? Can we maybe donate some monies to local charities in the name of Love 4 One Another? What can we do to compensate for the use of copyrighted images?"

As much as everyone is saying "Prince is doing this to his fans" I guess I disagree with that. Prince is simply stating "Look respect my work, respect my image, respect what I own." Unfortunately, he had to use a strong arm to attempt to get that message across because in all the things I've read to get caught up on his music and who he is, the one underlying theme over these years has been "Respect artists and their creations." He has directed that at his fans in the past, and towards the music industry. But it seems that has always gone ignored, and so now he's gotten a little heavy with it with the Cease and Desist orders. I guess to me, if, we the fans, had listened to his previous messages of "respect the artists and their creations" none of this would be playing out now. So how can I be angry with him since it's a message he's been saying for years, but is only now taking action on? And I guess because of that, I'm not sure why everyone is angry to begin with???

LittleRedCorvette said:

Some of you guys, I just have to shake my head and wonder what you are smoking. Respect what exactly? Prince's requests of what to say and what to post about him? How far does it go? What he really wants or wanted was to be the ONLY Prince site on the internet. Should that wish by respected? Then why are you even a member of this "fansite?"

Prince has made countless stupid requests to sites. His "people" have stopped at nothing to take down pictures that Prince himself does not even own the rights to. All three sites have done their best to comply with all the respects that were never even based on law. And Prince still wants compensation? For what? These sites are NON PROFIT. How can you justify any of those actions, yet blame the fansites for not respecting his wishes, that have no basis in law?

This is simply because Prince is still pissed at Housequake and the fact that every single Prince site did not CLOSE and merge with love4oneanother back in the day. THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT. PRINCE wants to have the ONLY site - no fan sites at all.
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TikiColadas said:

Hey fam, come sit over here with me and lets watch this.

lspear76 said:

I've not seen anything at this point that indicates that Prince wants to control what is said about him. (Perhaps there is a thread or text that clearly outlines that Prince has indeed requested that people not talk about him, then please direct me to that.) From what I've seen regarding other texts that have been posted, it seems conjecture at best. Regarding the copyrighted images that have been used, for how many years have they been posted on the sites? Complying with wishes to remove those images WAS the right thing to do (the copyrighted photos), but what of the many years they have been used? Do you not think that he has the right to ask for compensation for the use of those photos that have been copyrighted by him and his record lables for the years they were posted on the sites without his permission? Had anyone even asked permission to use those photos on the sites? Has anyone even apologized for using copyrighted photos on their sites? Sometimes compensation can come in the form of an apology. And btw, I'm not blaming the websites. However, I am trying to look at this from all perspectives. But when it comes down to it, for me, it was always about the music (and that was the point of my post).

Look, I understand some fans are angry that Prince's camp has sent out Cease and Desist orders, but NO WHERE have I read that Prince is suing the sites. Yet that keeps coming up in posts "How dare Prince sue the fans!?" And yes, these sites are non-profit, but even non-profits can do fundraisers. And those fundraisers can be used to be donated to other charities (as compensation) for the years of usage of copyrighted images, if they so choose.

As far as your last paragraph and why Prince is doing this, again, that is only conjecture.

LittleRedCorvette said:

Compensation for what? Using images in what way? Which images does Prince specifically own? As soon as complaints were raised, action was taken, even so much so that Prince gave Housequake official photos. So Prince is going to give official photos, and then still demand compensation years down the line? You're a moron.
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lspear76 said:

Thought you couldn't respond to my posts anymore? Thanks for the flame. I don't think I've ever had one before on this site. Do I get some sort of prize for my first flame???

Look, you are angry. I get that. What exactly are you angry about? Are you angry that Prince has issued a cease and desist? Are you angry that he is asking for compensation? Do you feel violated in some way? Do you feel hurt because you've supported him all these years and you are taking what he is doing as something personally against you? What are you so angry about?

And point me to the thread that shows exactly what was stated in the Cease and Desist letters. Not conjecture, not interpretation, but what is actually stated in these letters, so that there is no misinformation given. Until the actual letters are shared, then people truly have no idea what was asked (how it was asked) or what they are so angry about, except for conjecture. There are always 2 sides to a story, and each side has their own perception and ideas of what their side is, so share the actual documents so that others may know EXACTLY what was stated and EXACTLY what was demanded. Until then, people are up in arms about stuff they aren't even sure of except as has been handed down by one side of the story.
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LittleRedCorvette said:

I think you are incredibly awesome.

LittleRedCorvette said:

So that begs the Q....

1. How exactly does Prince own a picture of someones tatoo?

2. Why didn't he just ask?

3. Why did he have to use the strong arm approach?

b3xy said:

XXXXX

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT - THIS IS REAL LOVE - WHAT HE/THEY R DOING - AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE TALKIN ABOUT AND BEING HAPPY ABOUT!

He owes fans/fams nothing but to show up at his concerts, and he does - and he puts on a show that we just can't get out of our heads and hearts now can we?

WHAT WE OWE HIM - IS MORE RESPECT ABOUT HIS PRIVACY!

XXXXX

lspear76 said:

Is there a reason some of you guys can't discuss this issue without calling people names?

Lothan said:

I love you too beautiful! And thank you for that. I'm quite excited though because I've gotten my first flame! Wow. *Insert joyous tears here* I've been accepted at the org finally.

Namid said:

Are you for real?

What is real love, sending cease and decists to a fan site?

He owes us nothing, and we own him nothing. Difference is, we ain't threatening to sue him.

LittleRedCorvette said:

If you stick around this forum, you'll get more flames.