superspaceboy said:

Actually, LRC's was a logical, considered and well-written argument (one of the best I've seen - hats off to you LRC) that holds its own and is rationally sound.

What you wrote, spaceboy, is a typical response, one clearly and consistently displayed by the naysayers and haters around here - an abusive snipe with no substance or evidence to back it up. Talkin' loud and sayin' nothin'...

tricky99 said:

I completely agree with what you're saying here.
And excellent post 2elijah.
It is about the music. What does this other personal stuff really have to do with why we're here (on this site)? When it comes down to it, it's his music that made you join this site in the first place, not who his wife is/was, what his preference of religion is, or any of his other persoanl affairs.
[Edited 11/8/07 10:42am]

Mindflux said:

and words like "naysayers" and "haters" is NOT typical? let's try to rise above the typical princeyland polarization and pissing battles that always arise in these situations. "blah blah blah purple kool-aid, blah blah blah naysayers will eat toast" - yeah, okay. been there, done that, bought the bootleg and mailed it to ohio. NEXT!

LittleRedCorvette said:

Actually, I meant that the Hand was a typical response from Prince.

etifaim said:

Exactly, it is sad that it has come to this though, but I'll be d***** if I let anyone stop me from supporting Prince and his music. If you have a site that displays an artists' name and new fans of his search the internet to discuss his music come across this site, then see the insults, personal and derogatory comments, of course they would be shocked.Why have a site with his name if you don't monitor the site and snip/clip the derogatory/defaming comments about him or his personal life but yet snip/clip derogatory insulting comments from members towards other members on this site?

It's a two-way street. They can keep the comments strictly music-related if they choose to use that artist's name, whether it's a fan community on an unofficial site or not. These sites were apparently created to discuss the artist and his music. They all basically have a "Prince and his music section" or "Prince News" section. So that says what? That it would be about Prince, but if you go in some of those particular forums on each of the 3 unofficial Prince sites, you will find all sorts of personal info/inquiries/defaming comments and the list goes on, moreso than you would find about his music..

The man is a music genius, his music has opened doors for many up and coming artists.....and all this "evil" being directed towards him right now from some of these unhappy fans.....well, that too shall pass, as long as he remains strong and follows his beliefs/faith, then evil can't touch him, that's all there is to it..

Just my 2 cents.
[Edited 11/8/07 12:36pm]

etifaim said:

It is

1) a direct response to the PFU Hand which not only says touche but says it in a way as if he's taking the higher ground.

2) a vague response that is typical of most resposes he (or his camp gives)

LittleRedCorvette said:

I agree.
[Edited 11/8/07 16:27pm]

Anxiety said:

Hardly a fair point from you Anxiety! How else am I supposed to indicate the group of people I am talking about, eh? Any suggestions would be welcome. Unfortunately, for such typical types, a typical nomenclature appears to be the only one that suits.

I don't fall in to the polarized categories that you do see here and I was merely commenting on an example of it rearing its head, yet again. I was just highlighting an archetypal comment from one of "those who appear to hold a consistently negative view" without the rational to back it up.

Your retort accuses as though I was an active part in the opposing camps' war, when I'm actually an observer.
[Edited 11/8/07 10:55am]

Anxiety said:

i think it's very twisted.. he's rubbing our noses in it or is the message 2 get off the forum & give our energy 2 charity?

when i've done my bit 4 society & finished work 4 the day, this is one way i RELAX.
we're not all high energy anti socials...

Mindflux said:

hmmm.

but you're assuming that by virtue of the handful of comments you've read on this thread, you have the authority to define someone you've never actually met. kind of like if i said i hated a certain pop star because he's a cold-hearted, selfish human being, when in fact i have never met this pop star and have no reason to define him that way.

it's all a matter of fine tuning, i guess.

Anxiety said:

Not at all - there is no assumption of authority for a start, all people are equal here. All we have to go on is the opinion put forth in the forum, that is what it is for and people display all sorts of comments and opinions put here daily - I have as much right to make up my own mind and express it as anyone else here. Neither are my comments based upon a "handful" of posts just from this thread. I have been around since the PPML days and so I think I have a "feel" for the community here and my opinion was based upon a much wider view and appreciation of the community here, but illustrated by an isolated (but contextual) comment from a member which, of course, was the provoker of the thought in the first place.

Anyway, you weren't crticising me originally for making assumptions about people I've never met, you've just completely changed tack. You were saying I was as bad as the people I was commenting on - whereas, I felt it was just an observation of a strange behaviour that exists here where people constantly snipe, as though there's just nothing better to do, rather than giving intelligent and productive input, be that lauding or criticism.

Mindflux said:

i suppose it wouldn't nip a damn thing in the bud if i were to say i DO know superspaceboy personally, and he's as far from an archetypical "naysayer" as i can imagine?

yeah, figured it wouldn't. but it's true!

if you feel i've jumped the gun here, that's fine. it's when i see words like "naysayer" and "haters" that i immediately think "oh lawd, here we go again", and it's back to the purple kool aid and the unshipped crystal ball sets all over again.

sorry if i jumped any guns. i have a fever today. i shouldn't be jumping at all.

Why can't the minority whom agree with Prince's actions, see the irony in posting their approval on this website? If Prince had his way, this forum wouldn't exist.

I propose that all those whom agree with Prince's stance, voice their support on his official forum...





























BUT, YA CAN'T, BLANCHE! YA CAN'T!!!

Anxiety said:

Hehe - of course it would and I'm sure he is

As I said, was just using his comment to illustrate a wider point. It was typical of the type of comment I dislike, but didn't mean that the poster fell in to a particular category.

Funny, I am just getting over a fever myself (and timely as well, as flying to India tomorrow - so, er, you guys won't see me around for a while ), so no, no jumping at all and I hope you recover soon

Justin1972UK said:

Because it's a two-way street. They can express their opinions because like the owner and Mods of this site state..they support free speech... whether in disagreement with their motives or not. If this site ends up no longer existing, then that's cool. Everyone will go on with their lives as usual, just like when internet service wasn't available to access info on artists...that's all.
[Edited 11/8/07 11:37am]

2elijah said:

I never said that anybody couldn't express a dissenting opinion here - only that it's hypocritical to do so (given the circumstances).

2elijah said:

Well, why don't you delete your Org Profile now then, if it would be so "cool"?

Justin1972UK said:[quote]

2elijah said:

I deleted mine.

Justin1972UK said:

Because what you state isn't necessarily true! When has he asked for this site to be closed? Where do you dream these things from?

I don't agree with the argument that Prince is trying to stifle free speech, or erase any criticism about him - it appears to be entirely about people, websites and corporations illegally using copyrighted material of his and he's making a stand.

Some people have asked - where do you draw the line? Well, the line was drawn in copyright law and many feel they are impervious to any action resulting from crossing that line. Prince has decided enough is enough and, as usual, is managing to attract a lot of attention to the issue, whether or not you agree with the method, you can't deny its success in highlighting the issue. Same with the "Slave" era - there aren't many that deny, in retrospect, that he wasn't fighting a worthy cause (incidentally, again about rights to your OWN work!), just how he went about it. Same effect though, over a decade later, almost anyone can recall him writing Slave on his cheek and, more importantly, why.

Lothan said:

What do you mean???

To me, that hand is hokey. It's like Prince is telling us, "Talk 2 the hand, eye'm under no obligation 2 explain anything 2 U". C'mon Prince, we'd like some answers here, and you're leaving us in the dark. You would think if he was not responsible for this, that he would be quick to put all of this to rest. The fact that he hasn't said a word about it (so far) just confirms my opinion that he is the one who instigated this whole thing. I think that's what's fueling people's anger - the fact that Prince has not come out and issued a statement, explaining himself and his actions. I think I speak for many when I say that I might not be so angry about this if I understood and knew where Prince was coming from in all of this. But instead, he gives us all the silent treatment. Real cool, Prince!

Anxiety said:

EXACTLY!!

psychodelicide said:

I don't think he needs to.

Everything he wants to say is in the cease and desists. This is Prince's statements. I think anyone waiting for Prince's response is missing the point.

Prince is 3121. Prince is NGG records. The lawyers can only be working under instruction of their client. Prince.

If you look across the threads, fams are saying we don't know what going on, lets wait and see/hear. They've missed the point. We already did hear, at the beginning of this sorry episode when Prince's image paranoia became so extreme he reverted to trying to silence his biggest supporters.

Justin1972UK said[

2elijah said:

Justin1972UK said


Why you ask? It's called "I have the freedom to keep it" just like you have the freedom to tell me to delete it, and I have the freedom to tell you that I don't have to...and because you feel you have the freedom to express your dislike about the artist...then according to this site which is advocating and fighting for "free speech" on it....then that gives me the right to express my support for him... even on a site or forum you don't think that I should, especially when the main reason for this site was to discuss the artist's music.....kinda contradictory for you to ask that though, given the circumstances that you are fighting to be able to discuss whatever you like about the artist on this forum or post images or the like.

I never mentioned that no one had the right to discuss the artist, my argument is if you snip/clip insults/name-calling, etc that members do towards each other that the mods find offensive, then why not snip the derogatory/defaming comments about the artist that runs rampant on these forums if the artist himself should find it offensive or disrespectful towards him or better yet, why wait?

If it's a derogatory/defaming statement, then the Mods should have the respect to delete it or denounce it. I have seen other Mods remove or not allow disrespecttul or defaming comments about the artist on their unofficial Prince-related sites. If the Mods allow it, then they are apparently will more than likely be held responsible for it.
[Edited 11/8/07 13:25pm]

Justin1972UK said:

In six hours, this account is done. i was going to delete it on Sunday but then Monday all of this stuff happened and I stayed. I'm not saying I won't return but right now, with the way things are here, this ain't the place for me.

Real life is starting to get good again so I am gonna go enjoy that.

SquirrelMeat said:

You have a point there, Prince undoubtedly doesn't feel the need to explain anything to us, so he just issues cease and desist letters, telling us not to use his images or music anywhere. It's not a very diplomatic way to handle this whole situation, unfortunately. Prince's paranoia (and dare I say his narcissism), have reached an all time high. It's ashame that it has come to this.

LittleRedCorvette said:

I think what PFU stands for is a statement in and of itself. We have stated our position many times. Maybe it's time for just once in his life extend out the olive branch, however small it may be.

Mindflux said:

Again....my post was NOT about LRC! It was about the one picture response that is on 3121.com.

superspaceboy said:

That would be very nice.