To me the knocking of a charities hard work is a despicable thing to do. I understand people are not happy with what is going down in the Prince community but bringing someone’s charity work into this in an attempt to prove a point whatever that point maybe is deplorable.
We all should be praising Charities works and helping them if we can, as one day you never know what can happen in life it could be anyone of us seeking a charities help.

Thats a counter sue, usually for costs. Big difference. They make it quite clear they would only look at doing this if they had to defend themselves.

To me the knocking of a charities hard work is a despicable thing to do. I understand people are not happy with what is going down in the Prince community but bringing someone’s charity work into this in an attempt to prove a point whatever that point maybe is deplorable.
We all should be praising Charities works and helping them if we can, as one day you never know what can happen in life it could be anyone of us seeking a charities help.

Woah! When was anyone bringing in the Charity/non charty thing as an attempt to prove a point?

I simply asked the question is it now a charity because for at least the first two years, they claimed to be and were not.

Woah! When was anyone bringing in the Charity/non charty thing as an attempt to prove a point?

I simply asked the question is it now a charity because for at least the first two years, they claimed to be and were not.

I was not directing my comment to you I was just stating what I have viewed around this community in the past few weeks.

But again, no where in what has been posted have I seen the Prince camp threaten any type of legal action (other than the cease and desist orders). So if one side has not threatened legal action, but the other has, then who is the one threatening with lawsuits?

the word "disingenuous" comes to mind, sadly...

i think it's a terribly convenient time to trundle out an old jpeg logo that he hasn't been using in ten years, so he has some fuzzy kitten fur and sunshine to hide behind in all this mess. i'm sorry, but if L4OA is such an important concept, where was that happy little hand imprint when prince was charging thousands of dollars for tickets, partying with leonardo dicaprio and making himself a vegas tourist attraction?

L4OA should be an everyday thing; not just a card you can play when it's convenient.

Woah! When was anyone bringing in the Charity/non charty thing as an attempt to prove a point?

I simply asked the question is it now a charity because for at least the first two years, they claimed to be and were not.

lspear76 brought in defamation against the charity in an attempt to prove a point. That wasn't directed at you SM, because you've been nothing but respectful on here. And I appreciate that.

the word "disingenuous" comes to mind, sadly...

i think it's a terribly convenient time to trundle out an old jpeg logo that he hasn't been using in ten years, so he has some fuzzy kitten fur and sunshine to hide behind in all this mess. i'm sorry, but if L4OA is such an important concept, where was that happy little hand imprint when prince was charging thousands of dollars for tickets, partying with leonardo dicaprio and making himself a vegas tourist attraction?

L4OA should be an everyday thing; not just a card you can play when it's convenient.

Typical responce from the Land of all that is Purple and Holier than thou.

Nice post LittleRedCorvette:

The thing I just don't get is that I find a lot of this a bit contradictory. For example, on all 3 unofficial fan sites the Mods snip and clip remarks made from members to other members that are disrespectful, insulting, personal attacks, derogatory statements, threats towards/from members towards each other, and state in their rules, what type of content is not allowable on these sitew, but at the same time, the Mods/owners of these sites, in representation of the members on these sites, state that they believe in the First Amendment, freedom of speech, for members and fans of the artist to freely discuss the artist and his music and share stories and fans concert pics and experiences.

So now let's say that the artist did make a request to the Mods/Owners of these 3 unofficial fan sites to remove material/content that he may find derogatory/defaming his character, misleading info/rumors, constant personal insults and inquiries regarding his personal life, choice of religion, his marriages, inquiries regarding women in his past or present relationships, comments he may find threatening/or may bring harm to him or his past/present associate band members and their careers, or derogatory statements regarding his close friends, comments on the death of his child, etc., pictures that members/fans post that may be illegal , images of him altered to present a derogatory image with same being done to artists he is currently with/or have previously promoted or performed with.

Then, supposedly in response to the artist’s requests, the Mods/Owners of these 3 sites, comply to a few of the artist's wishes, but let's say the Mods/Owners of said sites, do not agree to remove the written offending/insulting contents/comments made by the artist’s fans/members of all 3 unofficial Prince sites, that are not related to his music/fan’s concert experiences and stories, because the Mods of these sites, feel that members/fans have the protection of the First Amendment (freedom of speech). So, the Mods leave the comments on the sites instead of removing them, regardless if the artist finds these comments offensive, insulting, threatening to his reputation, personal safety /career and those of his associate band members/close friends, etc.

I just find it contradictory that the Mods basically are saying is ok to ban, snip/clip and remove personal insults, personal attacks, threats, name-calling that members do to each other on these 3 unofficial sites, (which is ok with me by the way), but yet they stress that they are for the First Amendment. But it is surprising to see that these Mods don’t really snip/clip/remove the constant name-calling, insults/derogatory comments, defamation of character comments, extremely personal inquiries regarding the artist’s personal life (and yes I am talking about Prince) on these sites, whether he requested they remove those comments or not. I would think to remove those comments would be in respect to the artist(Prince), that these sites honor, since all 3 sites were basically created in dedicaton to him.

I have no disrespect for the Mods of the sites, just find all this a bit contradictory. I just feel it’s a matter of respect if one calls themselves a fan of an artist. Not that all artists are perfect, because they are not, they are human and we don’t live in a peaches and cream world, , but it is just surprising that there is more defaming of his character, his choice of religion, constant inquiries regarding his personal life, and other related comments running rampant all over these unofficial sites and the Mods allow those comments to stay…….…and yet it’s suppose to be about the music……just my 2 cents, as we're all entitled to our opinions.
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lspear76 brought in defamation against the charity in an attempt to prove a point. That wasn't directed at you SM, because you've been nothing but respectful on here. And I appreciate that.

I'm assuming you are directing that at me. And you know what? I don't support either side in this situation. I think both sides have valid points (if the documentation prooves what the websites are claiming), and I think both sides have made errors. But I don't think that Prince deserves all the flack that he's getting, when the finger points both ways. But some only want to see one side, and often choose to ignore the other. I'm merely pointing out the side that others have refused to look at. The ones that look at only the one side (the websites) do a damn good job of defending themselves and their stance. There just aren't too many that are willing to stand up to the backlash and defend the other side.

i can defend "the other side" insomuch as i can respect prince's desire not to have his art swapped around on the internet willy-nilly, because that's his bread and butter and if he wants to keep close tabs on how his work is distributed, i believe that is completely fair...even if his standards are far more strict than 99.9 of his peers. hey. that's his call. and that's fair.

and i think that, at least as far as my role on the org is concerned, the fan sites have done an excellent job of respecting his wishes in that regard. we go out of our way to make sure bootlegs and unauthorized materials aren't circulated on the org. we err on the side of being hyper-cautious most of the time. we have been compliant.

we have not been presented with a "why" in terms of the extreme measures we have been confronted with lately - just prince's trademark silence. it's not going to suffice this time. sure, we've gotten legal mumbo-jumbo, but nothing that really breaks it down for us. maybe i can do a little better job of playing devil's advocate if i know what i'm advocating for or against. ya know?

I know Anx. And you are doing a good job. And the websites have done an excellent job regarding bootlegs and unauthorized materials, but there are still a lot of copyrighted material that does get posted. I guess sometimes we forget when we look at that sweet, sexy face in those photos that the actual photo may be copyrighted by him and his camp and we just want to share and don't think to ask permission first.

You know, I think PFU does have a stand regarding material that isn't copyrighted by him or the labels. Has anyone approached him to ask him to look at what *is* in the galleries (on the org) and ask him (not websheriff because they're just out to try to show what a good job they are doing in order to keep getting paid) what is acceptable and not acceptable as far as what's copyrighted or not?

It just seems that Prince needs to be the one to sit down at the table with the site owners and explain his concerns, and what he wants or doesn't want out there and why. But all this backlash towards Prince on the websites aren't going to help matters, because Prince is just going to shut down and close out anything that's said because of all the hate or anger directed towards him. I truly think it is about respect to him, not about control. And maybe if someone can somehow approach him respectfully and say "Okay we want to work with you, give us a direction to go in" he might respond much quicker.

I've been saying this type of stuff for years here.

i would LOVE it if prince agreed to a meeting - even if it was a private web chat - with ben and the other sitemasters who created PFU, just to hash out these issues and find common ground. i'm not saying this in a spirit of "yeah, let's make prince confront PFU and see what a big brave man he is THEN!" i mean it more in terms of, sheesh, let's just be direct and open and get our thoughts and feelings out there, so we can get this over with and move on. prince is mysterious and reclusive. great. we get it. but this is not a time for all that.

Perhaps then PFU can send out a statement to that regards. And get that in the media as well so that Prince sees PFU extending the olive branch.

Perhaps then PFU can send out a statement to that regards. And get that in the media as well so that Prince sees PFU extending the olive branch.

That’s what I have been saying all along that all sides need to come together/work together, sit down,talk, get to the bottom off it all a negotiate respectfully and peaceful a good solution so that all sides can be happy and get along. I am one that hopes this happen real soon...

That’s what I have been saying all along that all sides need to come together/work together, sit down,talk, get to the bottom off it all a negotiate respectfully and peaceful a good solution so that all sides can be happy and get along. I am one that hopes this happen real soon...