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p4life

prince doesnt hate his fans!!!!!

people i know ur kinda pissed off right now but its not that crucial really there or others things much more important !! maybe theres a positive outcome from all this maybe there is something to look forward to at 3121 in the future
and we just dont know it i consider myself a true prince fan and i still love prince and will continue to support him no matter what i know we all have our own opinions but to me its not that crucial i just want to encourage all the orgers to think postive dont let the whole fansite issue get to you remember the man the legend the first time you herd a prince album what it meant to you how it made you feel inside the night you went to ur first prince concert the songs that touch your heart put a smile on your face made you cry thimk about how he inspires you think about the.....MUSIC!!!!!
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Reply #1 posted 11/06/07 6:54pm

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p4life said:

people i know ur kinda pissed off right now but its not that crucial really there or others things much more important !! maybe theres a positive outcome from all this maybe there is something to look forward to at 3121 in the future
and we just dont know it i consider myself a true prince fan and i still love prince and will continue to support him no matter what i know we all have our own opinions but to me its not that crucial i just want to encourage all the orgers to think postive dont let the whole fansite issue get to you remember the man the legend the first time you herd a prince album what it meant to you how it made you feel inside the night you went to ur first prince concert the songs that touch your heart put a smile on your face made you cry thimk about how he inspires you think about the.....MUSIC!!!!!


Yes! Salvation! hug

Exactly... I still love and support Prince with everything I've got. It's hard, but I'm still cheerleading in his corner no matter what the outcome is.

Because I love his music and I care about the person behind the music as well.

He changed my life and I'll be forever grateful for it hug
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
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Reply #2 posted 11/06/07 7:00pm

p4life

Yes! Salvation! hug

Exactly... I still love and support Prince with everything I've got. It's hard, but I'm still cheerleading in his corner no matter what the outcome is.

Because I love his music and I care about the person behind the music as well.

He changed my life and I'll be forever grateful for it hug[/quote]


biggrin Exactly thats my point !!!! the love for the man and his music!!!!
i just wish everyone could see it that way too!!!!
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Reply #3 posted 11/06/07 7:24pm

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rolleyes
Yall must newbies!!
The one and only Technagirl
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Reply #4 posted 11/06/07 7:29pm

p4life

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rolleyes
Yall must newbies!!


no im not ive been here for a while now and i love this fansite cry
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Reply #5 posted 11/06/07 7:30pm

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wave

If a 9 month membership= newbie, so be it cool

I've got Purple Pride as far as the eye can c
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
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Reply #6 posted 11/06/07 7:39pm

Twinkly1

neutral Exactly, I am a newbee, but It seems that maybe folks should separate their love for the man and his music from the business aspect? Prince is not the only entertainer in this controversy and no one knows what the outcome will be.

remember, without struggle there is no growth...

"Can't we all just get along?"

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Reply #7 posted 11/06/07 7:39pm

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Reply #8 posted 11/06/07 7:42pm

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whatever.
wouldn't be surprised if you were on the payroll, or even worse the purple nazi himself.

maybe Prince doesn't hate his fans, and even that's debate-able.
but you know what?

he doesn't respect his fans.
he looks down on us as fans.
he thinks he has the right to tell us how to think and feel about him.


which flat out sucks.
[Edited 11/6/07 19:43pm]
http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
y'all gone keep messin' around wit me and turn me back to the old me......
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Reply #9 posted 11/06/07 7:49pm

Twinkly1

ButterscotchPimp said:

whatever.
wouldn't be surprised if you were on the payroll, or even worse the purple nazi himself.

maybe Prince doesn't hate his fans, and even that's debate-able.
but you know what?

he doesn't respect his fans.
he looks down on us as fans.
he thinks he has the right to tell us how to think and feel about him.


which flat out sucks.


eek How do you or anyone else on this site KNOW what Prince thinks? I'm not on the payroll I am an objective observer.

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Reply #10 posted 11/06/07 8:01pm

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Twinkly1 said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

whatever.
wouldn't be surprised if you were on the payroll, or even worse the purple nazi himself.

maybe Prince doesn't hate his fans, and even that's debate-able.
but you know what?

he doesn't respect his fans.
he looks down on us as fans.
he thinks he has the right to tell us how to think and feel about him.


which flat out sucks.


eek How do you or anyone else on this site KNOW what Prince thinks? I'm not on the payroll I am an objective observer.




because
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

Prince by his actions alone has over the years repeatedly shown the fans his utter disdain for them.

This is just the latest bomb he's dropped on the fans.
http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
y'all gone keep messin' around wit me and turn me back to the old me......
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Reply #11 posted 11/06/07 8:10pm

p4life

no butter im just like you wink im just in love with his music love
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Reply #12 posted 11/06/07 8:11pm

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Genre bending. Innovative. Controversial. And overall absolute genius, Prince can take anything .. I mean anything!!!! and express it with equal parts eloquence and shocking vulgarity.


Prince has never been one to shy away from controversy. Obviously, this whole lawsuit business lately is proof of that. Even if he's stopped cursing, and singing about having sex with virgins who are on the rag, he still knows how to stir stuff up.

But there was a time when his music was what ilicited all the responses. When it spoke for itself. No need for wearing assless pants, no need to make outlandish statements on magazines and other means--you could just get it from a record.

But one thing that always struck me was that Prince juxtaposed all manner of subjects, otherwise blush worthy to any other musician, effortlessly and with no sense of shame or embarassment whatsoever. It was like he pulled his nuts out of his silky lace panties and said, "Look bitches--check these hairy bad boys out. I may strut around in lace women's underwear, but I overflow with machismo!"...then boomerang his pumps at cha.

Anyways, sex, love, and spirituality -- these things are always pitted against each other in strange dualistic battles on his albums. but when viewed from afar, Prince is actually treating all these as one continuam. They are just different colors of his passion. He went from one end to the other with his songs.

Speaking of the other end, one of the things he seems to have an obsession with is the female hind quarters--perhaps even male, but that's always up for debate. But you always hear him talking about "ass" but never what he wants to do with it. It's as if he's not totally confortable with that region of the human body.
One could probably reckon that this was due to some repressed latent homosexual fantasy that was surfacing but being stiffled before it could shine in all its glory, but I propose that Prince was probably just revealing how hygenic and sometimes prissy he could be. The anus, after all, is more difficult to keep clean than vaginas and penises. Sure, Prince could easily say "I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth", but you'd never catch him say "I sincerely want to slush the poop in your ass with my dick"--There's a line that even Prince wont cross, especially if it involves hygiene.

His obsession with hygiene is apparent in his interview with Oprah Winfrey. When she asked him if he always dressed nice, he replied, "On a normal day I'm clean". Now obviously, he's being hip with lingo here, cause being "clean" also means to look sharp, but let's not kid ourselves here--Prince loves double meaning. He obviously means that on a normal day he keeps his ass fresh.

But if you think about it, the asshole or anus is just the other opening of a very long tube leading to your mouth. And in between there's digestion. Digestion of the words, the ideas, the very visualizations that flow throughout his work. Even when he says "Dont hate me cause Im beautiful", he says it like he's got food in his mouth. He goes further in that very same song (Pretty man) and says "Maceo--can U blow?" , which again HAS A DOUBLE MEANING! Always with the double meaning. But you can also hear this in many many songs. In Poom Poom Poom, he sings the chorus as if he's taking a massive dump, and he even does the Poom Poom rap like he's chewing on something. Its as if ALL bodily functions are not sacred to Prince. They're all worthy of expression.


And express he does. It was said once in some magazine that where Marvin Gaye cracked the bedroom door open a wee bit with "Let's Get it On", Prince tore that bitch off it's hinges!
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Reply #13 posted 11/06/07 8:16pm

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Fuck.
I could go for some Kool-Aid right about now,
but I don't have any sweetener.

'Ey org-ladies....
how about sending me some sugar?
[Edited 11/6/07 20:16pm]
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Reply #14 posted 11/06/07 8:24pm

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p4life said:

no butter im just like you wink im just in love with his music love


well then, you're not just like me.
i haven't been in love with his music in a very long time.

he tricked me into liking him again with TRC, but it's been a steady diet of crap since then.
http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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Reply #15 posted 11/06/07 8:27pm

Twinkly1

Imago said:

Genre bending. Innovative. Controversial. And overall absolute genius, Prince can take anything .. I mean anything!!!! and express it with equal parts eloquence and shocking vulgarity.


Prince has never been one to shy away from controversy. Obviously, this whole lawsuit business lately is proof of that. Even if he's stopped cursing, and singing about having sex with virgins who are on the rag, he still knows how to stir stuff up.

But there was a time when his music was what ilicited all the responses. When it spoke for itself. No need for wearing assless pants, no need to make outlandish statements on magazines and other means--you could just get it from a record.

But one thing that always struck me was that Prince juxtaposed all manner of subjects, otherwise blush worthy to any other musician, effortlessly and with no sense of shame or embarassment whatsoever. It was like he pulled his nuts out of his silky lace panties and said, "Look bitches--check these hairy bad boys out. I may strut around in lace women's underwear, but I overflow with machismo!"...then boomerang his pumps at cha.

Anyways, sex, love, and spirituality -- these things are always pitted against each other in strange dualistic battles on his albums. but when viewed from afar, Prince is actually treating all these as one continuam. They are just different colors of his passion. He went from one end to the other with his songs.

Speaking of the other end, one of the things he seems to have an obsession with is the female hind quarters--perhaps even male, but that's always up for debate. But you always hear him talking about "ass" but never what he wants to do with it. It's as if he's not totally confortable with that region of the human body.
One could probably reckon that this was due to some repressed latent homosexual fantasy that was surfacing but being stiffled before it could shine in all its glory, but I propose that Prince was probably just revealing how hygenic and sometimes prissy he could be. The anus, after all, is more difficult to keep clean than vaginas and penises. Sure, Prince could easily say "I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth", but you'd never catch him say "I sincerely want to slush the poop in your ass with my dick"--There's a line that even Prince wont cross, especially if it involves hygiene.

His obsession with hygiene is apparent in his interview with Oprah Winfrey. When she asked him if he always dressed nice, he replied, "On a normal day I'm clean". Now obviously, he's being hip with lingo here, cause being "clean" also means to look sharp, but let's not kid ourselves here--Prince loves double meaning. He obviously means that on a normal day he keeps his ass fresh.

But if you think about it, the asshole or anus is just the other opening of a very long tube leading to your mouth. And in between there's digestion. Digestion of the words, the ideas, the very visualizations that flow throughout his work. Even when he says "Dont hate me cause Im beautiful", he says it like he's got food in his mouth. He goes further in that very same song (Pretty man) and says "Maceo--can U blow?" , which again HAS A DOUBLE MEANING! Always with the double meaning. But you can also hear this in many many songs. In Poom Poom Poom, he sings the chorus as if he's taking a massive dump, and he even does the Poom Poom rap like he's chewing on something. Its as if ALL bodily functions are not sacred to Prince. They're all worthy of expression.


And express he does. It was said once in some magazine that where Marvin Gaye cracked the bedroom door open a wee bit with "Let's Get it On", Prince tore that bitch off it's hinges!


NEWSFLASH....most african american males like booty....(letter "C" shape--remember, Sir Mix Alot...I like Big Butts and I Cannot Lie...)....has nothing to do with gender bending, or cleanliness....in fact, if they are straight generally, they ain't diggin no stanky booty or stanky "P" smells.

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Reply #16 posted 11/06/07 8:35pm

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p4life said:

people i know ur kinda pissed off right now but its not that crucial really there or others things much more important !! maybe theres a positive outcome from all this maybe there is something to look forward to at 3121 in the future
and we just dont know it i consider myself a true prince fan and i still love prince and will continue to support him no matter what i know we all have our own opinions but to me its not that crucial i just want to encourage all the orgers to think postive dont let the whole fansite issue get to you remember the man the legend the first time you herd a prince album what it meant to you how it made you feel inside the night you went to ur first prince concert the songs that touch your heart put a smile on your face made you cry thimk about how he inspires you think about the.....MUSIC!!!!!

I won't be going to 3121 for shit. No matter how good it is. Prince made his bed and some fans are going to make him lie in it nod

Has anyone figured out how to cancel your 3121 membership yet? lol
2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740
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Reply #17 posted 11/06/07 8:40pm

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I'll gladly enjoy his music in the future. I will also gladly acquire it illegally, which is something I never thought I'd say about him.
[Edited 11/6/07 20:41pm]
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Reply #18 posted 11/07/07 12:23am

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p4life said:

people i know ur kinda pissed off right now but its not that crucial really there or others things much more important !! maybe theres a positive outcome from all this maybe there is something to look forward to at 3121 in the future
and we just dont know it i consider myself a true prince fan and i still love prince and will continue to support him no matter what i know we all have our own opinions but to me its not that crucial i just want to encourage all the orgers to think postive dont let the whole fansite issue get to you remember the man the legend the first time you herd a prince album what it meant to you how it made you feel inside the night you went to ur first prince concert the songs that touch your heart put a smile on your face made you cry thimk about how he inspires you think about the.....MUSIC!!!!!



That's a very good point! Thanks, I'm glad that I could find someone with positivity.





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Reply #19 posted 11/07/07 2:01am

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p4life said:

people i know ur kinda pissed off right now but its not that crucial really there or others things much more important !! maybe theres a positive outcome from all this maybe there is something to look forward to at 3121 in the future
and we just dont know it i consider myself a true prince fan and i still love prince and will continue to support him no matter what i know we all have our own opinions but to me its not that crucial i just want to encourage all the orgers to think postive dont let the whole fansite issue get to you remember the man the legend the first time you herd a prince album what it meant to you how it made you feel inside the night you went to ur first prince concert the songs that touch your heart put a smile on your face made you cry thimk about how he inspires you think about the.....MUSIC!!!!!


I think that sums up which side of the fam fence you sit! I just hope he adds a forum back on 3121 so all the freaks can get back where they belong! I think the PPML is on the way back.

The chat is going underground again. Ain't no way Prince can control that. If fact. Its the worst think that could happen for him. Bootlegging will come back in a big way.
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Reply #20 posted 11/07/07 4:08am

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This whole thing makes me ask the question who is more childish Prince or his fans. Prince has acted like an asshole on several occasions for almost 30 years. It's what drew us into his music and, unfortunately, his personal life. Anyone who doesn't realize that by now must really face some mental challenges. Because this is Prince, I would expect nothing less from him. I fail to see what anyone thinks a lawsuit is really going to accomplish. Does anyone really think they are going to "teach him a lesson" by doing this? Of all of the shit he's done is his career, do you really think he's going to be affected by online personalities throwing a hissy-fit after he threw one of his regularly scheduled tantrums?

Am I a purple kool-aid drinker? No. I don't dig everything he does, but I will always check for it. These grandiose "this is the last straw" statements kill me every time that Prince shoots himself in the foot. None of you mofos, including fams and naysayers are going anywhere. All of yall need to stop fronting.
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Reply #21 posted 11/07/07 4:30am

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No he does not hate his fans, he has some loopy fans though that love to hate him..I doubt he gives a crap what we think, he has a life.
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Reply #22 posted 11/07/07 6:58am

p4life

MUCH LOVE TO ALL THE "ORGERS"!!!!!
hug even if u disagree w/me or not its all love love



ya know i was thinking i feel prince doesnt care about us critz-n- him about his work i think he dislike the whole bootlegg dicussion etc.. and the article we find on him(dirt) from the past now that he's a change man maybe he doesnt want us to know him as the person he once was maybe he's ashamed of that? just a thought but i dont think he could actually shut us down after all by law we do have the freedom of speech!
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Reply #23 posted 11/07/07 7:17am

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p4life said:

MUCH LOVE TO ALL THE "ORGERS"!!!!!
hug even if u disagree w/me or not its all love love



ya know i was thinking i feel prince doesnt care about us critz-n- him about his work i think he dislike the whole bootlegg dicussion etc.. and the article we find on him(dirt) from the past now that he's a change man maybe he doesnt want us to know him as the person he once was maybe he's ashamed of that? just a thought but i dont think he could actually shut us down after all by law we do have the freedom of speech!


One thing is 4 certain: You Cannot Change Your Past. There's something everyone would surley like to change but Im sorry you can't. I truley think Prince DOES care about what people say and see of him. Why would he be going through all this trouble if he didnt??? Put two and two together.

And if Prince was totally concerned about if he would be ashamed of his past in the future..then he surley picked the right outfights (as*less pants to name one) and image to do so..for MORE than 2 decades. Only recently has he toned it down to versace suits and slicked back hair styles. So I dont think he's ashamed...he even said in the interview with oprah "he doesnt regret"-which is good..it wont change anything.

I truley think its a more of power and domination move. If you can control your image you can control the market. Controling the market = true power and control...lets not forget $$

But I dont think he's totally going to succeed with it. Its pushing on the side of violating "fair use" and "1st ammendment rights". And for that I side with the PFU move. But the music behind the man I will always enjoy. I just am not going to buy anymore of it until this boils over and I can see what the outcome is.

grouphug too all the orgers for some good times and lotsa laughs biggrin
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Reply #24 posted 11/07/07 7:21am

p4life

One thing is 4 certain: You Cannot Change Your Past. There's something everyone would surley like to change but Im sorry you can't. I truley think Prince DOES care about what people say and see of him. Why would he be going through all this trouble if he didnt??? Put two and two together.
And if Prince was totally concerned about if he would be ashamed of his past in the future..then he surley picked the right outfights (as*less pants to name one) and image to do so..for MORE than 2 decades. Only recently has he toned it down to versace suits and slicked back hair styles. So I dont think he's ashamed...he even said in the interview with oprah "he doesnt regret"-which is good..it wont change anything.

I truley think its a more of power and domination move. If you can control your image you can control the market. Controling the market = true power and control...lets not forget $$

But I dont think he's totally going to succeed with it. Its pushing on the side of violating "fair use" and "1st ammendment rights". And for that I side with the PFU move. But the music behind the man I will always enjoy. I just am not going to buy anymore of it until this boils over and I can see what the outcome is




makes since i agree thats what it think this all about more so not 4 the money but the way we look at him
[Edited 11/7/07 7:22am]
[Edited 11/7/07 7:23am]
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p4life said:

One thing is 4 certain: You Cannot Change Your Past. There's something everyone would surley like to change but Im sorry you can't. I truley think Prince DOES care about what people say and see of him. Why would he be going through all this trouble if he didnt??? Put two and two together.
And if Prince was totally concerned about if he would be ashamed of his past in the future..then he surley picked the right outfights (as*less pants to name one) and image to do so..for MORE than 2 decades. Only recently has he toned it down to versace suits and slicked back hair styles. So I dont think he's ashamed...he even said in the interview with oprah "he doesnt regret"-which is good..it wont change anything.

I truley think its a more of power and domination move. If you can control your image you can control the market. Controling the market = true power and control...lets not forget $$

But I dont think he's totally going to succeed with it. Its pushing on the side of violating "fair use" and "1st ammendment rights". And for that I side with the PFU move. But the music behind the man I will always enjoy. I just am not going to buy anymore of it until this boils over and I can see what the outcome is




makes since i agree thats what it think this all about more so not 4 the money but the way we look at him
[Edited 11/7/07 7:22am]
[Edited 11/7/07 7:23am]


nod I agree with this..but having been in a buisness I can say: if he can control his image there are dollar signs attatched to that. Do you know how much a dedicated, legal system abiding fan would pay for an image of prince, or video he could release on his website or at a concert of his?? Alot.

But yes..he truley does care about how he is viewed. U can see that by looking back to the 90's when he didnt want anyone to look directly at him lol
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Reply #26 posted 11/07/07 7:49am

p4life

1KissAtATyme said:

p4life said:

One thing is 4 certain: You Cannot Change Your Past. There's something everyone would surley like to change but Im sorry you can't. I truley think Prince DOES care about what people say and see of him. Why would he be going through all this trouble if he didnt??? Put two and two together.
And if Prince was totally concerned about if he would be ashamed of his past in the future..then he surley picked the right outfights (as*less pants to name one) and image to do so..for MORE than 2 decades. Only recently has he toned it down to versace suits and slicked back hair styles. So I dont think he's ashamed...he even said in the interview with oprah "he doesnt regret"-which is good..it wont change anything.

I truley think its a more of power and domination move. If you can control your image you can control the market. Controling the market = true power and control...lets not forget $$

But I dont think he's totally going to succeed with it. Its pushing on the side of violating "fair use" and "1st ammendment rights". And for that I side with the PFU move. But the music behind the man I will always enjoy. I just am not going to buy anymore of it until this boils over and I can see what the outcome is




makes since i agree thats what it think this all about more so not 4 the money but the way we look at him
[Edited 11/7/07 7:22am]
[Edited 11/7/07 7:23am]


nod I agree with this..but having been in a buisness I can say: if he can control his image there are dollar signs attatched to that. Do you know how much a dedicated, legal system abiding fan would pay for an image of prince, or video he could release on his website or at a concert of his?? Alot.

But yes..he truley does care about how he is viewed. U can see that by looking back to the 90's when he didnt want anyone to look directly at him lol





eek oh snap i just realized something idolworship !! remeber prince said he doesnt sign autograph any more b/cuz he doesnt believe in idol worship and when a fan tol hin how much she admired him he said she shouldnt admire him but god and start talking to her about religion.... ne wayz maybe thats what prince thinks of us that were idolworship-n- him???/
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hey star2007 if ur out there please dont leave!!!
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p4life said:

MUCH LOVE TO ALL THE "ORGERS"!!!!!
hug even if u disagree w/me or not its all love love



ya know i was thinking i feel prince doesnt care about us critz-n- him about his work i think he dislike the whole bootlegg dicussion etc.. and the article we find on him(dirt) from the past now that he's a change man maybe he doesnt want us to know him as the person he once was maybe he's ashamed of that? just a thought but i dont think he could actually shut us down after all by law we do have the freedom of speech!



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Reply #29 posted 11/07/07 9:38am

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p4life said:

MUCH LOVE TO ALL THE "ORGERS"!!!!!
hug even if u disagree w/me or not its all love love



ya know i was thinking i feel prince doesnt care about us critz-n- him about his work i think he dislike the whole bootlegg dicussion etc.. and the article we find on him(dirt) from the past now that he's a change man maybe he doesnt want us to know him as the person he once was maybe he's ashamed of that? just a thought but i dont think he could actually shut us down after all by law we do have the freedom of speech!



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kisses 2 wildgoldenhoney your always so positive! wink
U want to know the secreat of love and happiness? Love GOD with all your heart, mind soul and strength. And love your neighboor as yourself.
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