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Reply #30 posted 10/15/02 5:29am

PrimeTime

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SWANG said:

PrimeTime said:

cracknbush said:


Anyway, the Little Red Corvette thing sounds like it could be right. Strange for Prince to offer of a previously released song for a commercial, but J's explaination sounds ok. If you need one.


Short answer- He needs to recoup some of that publishing advance


Primetime: Prince's deal with Universal was an administration deal; deal of this nature do not include advances...

-SWANGhatesthemusicbiz


SwanG:

Admin. deals can include advances.
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Reply #31 posted 10/15/02 5:44am

DavidEye

Uptown reported in an early issue that Prince received "a cool 7 million" for composing the Pepsi song "Uh Huh".It could just be a rumor though.
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Reply #32 posted 10/15/02 6:25pm

SWANG

PrimeTime said:

SWANG said:

PrimeTime said:

cracknbush said:


Anyway, the Little Red Corvette thing sounds like it could be right. Strange for Prince to offer of a previously released song for a commercial, but J's explaination sounds ok. If you need one.


Short answer- He needs to recoup some of that publishing advance


Primetime: Prince's deal with Universal was an administration deal; deal of this nature do not include advances...

-SWANGhatesthemusicbiz


SwanG:

Admin. deals can include advances.


An Administrator of copyrights collects royalties due the copyright holder. They take a percentage of the $ (usually around 5%) for this. Why would they advance money they haven't collected yet (and therefore, aren't able to retain their percentage of)?

-SWANGscratcheshishead
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Reply #33 posted 10/16/02 6:27am

PrimeTime

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Admin. deals can include advances.[/quote]

An Administrator of copyrights collects royalties due the copyright holder. They take a percentage of the $ (usually around 5%) for this. Why would they advance money they haven't collected yet (and therefore, aren't able to retain their percentage of)?

-SWANGscratcheshishead[/quote]


As an inducement to get the writer's business. The administrator knows that if the writer has placements on a high profile project(s) or has an extensive catalog, that chances are the advance will be recouped rather quickly. The size of the advance is based upon a formula that an individual administrator devises. Remember that there are no hard and fast rules as to how any deal (pub, artist, or producer) is structured.


PrimeTimehashopefullyexplained
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Reply #34 posted 07/10/03 12:43am

BartVanHemelen

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jseven said:

lovemachine said:

jseven said:

Also, this is not Prince's first time with commercials. In 1989/90, it was reported that Prince wrote the jingle for Diet Pepsi "Uh-huh". (originally known as the you got the right one baby with the Uh-huh girls by former Mcdonald's Mac Tonight guy Ray Charles) Although never made public and just making the "so-called journalists" columns, Prince made 7 million dollars for writing it.


This kind of lie is why the "777" update is published on a Yahoo group.


How is it a lie? It was reported in various books that this deal took place.


Bullshit.

jseven said:

You are entitled to your own opinion but I will not be called a liar. Prove me wrong n leave it at that. If i am lying, where is your proof?


Bullshit. YOU prove that you don't lie. The FACT is that Prince recorded Uh-huh based on the Pepsi commercial. In fact, the full story of that commercial was posted online at a reputable source (an ad website) ages ago.

LISTEN to the Prince song, you can clearly hear that the "Uh-huh" part is sampled from a TV broadcast. Why the hell would Prince need to do that if he wrote it?
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Reply #35 posted 07/10/03 12:59am

DavidEye

LOL...wassup with the constant re-viving of old threads lately? This is hilarious.Are we so starved for good discussions that we have to re-vive old threads? smile


But,since we're on the topic...Uptown has reported that Prince was paid "a cool seven million dollars" for writing that Coca-Cola song.
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Reply #36 posted 07/10/03 1:44am

BartVanHemelen

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DavidEye said:

But,since we're on the topic...Uptown has reported that Prince was paid "a cool seven million dollars" for writing that Coca-Cola song.


Since when is Coca-Cola and Pepsi the same thing?
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Reply #37 posted 07/10/03 1:49am

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The FACT is that Prince recorded Uh-huh based on the Pepsi commercial. In fact, the full story of that commercial was posted online at a reputable source (an ad website) ages ago.


I am mistaken: it was MSNBC.

http://www.prince.org/msg...01&pid=551
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Reply #38 posted 07/10/03 1:56am

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BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

The FACT is that Prince recorded Uh-huh based on the Pepsi commercial. In fact, the full story of that commercial was posted online at a reputable source (an ad website) ages ago.


I am mistaken: it was MSNBC.

http://www.prince.org/msg...01&pid=551


And for those that doubt the MSNBC article (since it isn't available anymore):

http://www.songwritershal...pientId=54

No mention of Prince.


http://www.vnuemedia.com/...90s_37.jsp

Diet Pepsi

Remember the Uh-Huh Girls? They appeared on Letterman; they did Oprah; they were everywhere in the early '90s. The

three women owe their 15 minutes to this lavish spot with a musical cast of hundreds. Tagline: "You got the right one, baby."

By the way, some guy named Ray Charles plays a little piano and sings a couple of bars.

Title : Performance
Year : 1991
Agency : BBDO, N.Y.
ECD : Ted Sann
SR. CD/CW : Al Merrin
AD : Richard Sabean
CW : Michael Patti
Agency Prod. : Tony Frere
Music prod. : Steve Friedman
Prod. Co. : Pytka
Dir. : Joe Pytka
Editors : Rob Watzke, Red Car
Music : Sunday Productions
Composers/Lyricists : Peter Cofield, Al Merrin
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Reply #39 posted 07/10/03 6:28am

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cracknbush said:

Why would Prince record the song Uh-Huh, based on a commercial jingle. 'Cause he was bored?, 'cause he thought Brother Ray sounded really cool singing it? More likely that he wrote the song and sold it to Pepsi (why is that so un-heard of?), or someone else wrote it and sold it to Pepsi.
I seriously doubt he created it after hearing the commercial.

Anyway, the Little Red Corvette thing sounds like it could be right. Strange for Prince to offer of a previously released song for a commercial, but J's explaination sounds ok. If you need one.


check out the Yellow boot. 'You Got The Right One Baby!'
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Reply #40 posted 07/10/03 7:03am

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dee2 said:

I'm just glad 2 know he's making money and not Warner Bothers. Who cares about the other stuff?


Remember how Prince was babbling about Sly & The Family Stone's "Family Affair" not being a song about a car some years ago? It's called hypocrisy -- especially when you know several former band members ain't getting the royalty checks and other payments they are entitled to.
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Reply #41 posted 07/10/03 7:20am

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jseven said:

Very interesting. The rules of copyright change constantly.


BS. What he said above has been true for ages.

jseven said:

Some people say that when Universal signed a publishing deal, they also helped him out on the Master front.


Some people should stop pretending that they work in the record industry when all they do is clean toilets at a recording studio. Publishing has got NOTHING to do with ownership of recordings.

jseven said:

It took 3 months after the fact the publishing deal happened for it to make it into the rounds of Billboard.


Not exactly true.

First post about the deal : 11/12/01 2:35pm
http://www.prince.org/msg...1&pid=8315

Billboard mention : 01/25/02 7:37am
http://www.prince.org/msg...1&pid=8845
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Reply #42 posted 07/10/03 8:21am

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BartVanHemelen said:

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I'm just glad 2 know he's making money and not Warner Bothers. Who cares about the other stuff?


Remember how Prince was babbling about Sly & The Family Stone's "Family Affair" not being a song about a car some years ago? It's called hypocrisy -- especially when you know several former band members ain't getting the royalty checks and other payments they are entitled to.

You're thinking of "Everyday People," not "Family Affair."
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Reply #43 posted 07/10/03 9:58am

Universaluv

Ah this thread is back again! A quick thing on the Corvette commerical. Remember they use an outtake from the SOTT movie, not the original WB recording. moreover, since WB didn't release that flick he effectively cut them out of the $$$.
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Reply #44 posted 07/10/03 12:00pm

slm4m

I notice on TRC that universal publishing is involved, but they are not mentioned on ONA...live.
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Reply #45 posted 07/10/03 11:58pm

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Universaluv said:

A quick thing on the Corvette commerical. Remember they use an outtake from the SOTT movie, not the original WB recording. moreover, since WB didn't release that flick he effectively cut them out of the $$$.


It's not an outtake since it is IN the movie.

And they didn't use the movie to spite WB, they used it because they couldn't use the original recording.
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Reply #46 posted 07/11/03 12:40am

DavidEye

Wow Bart,this seems to be something that really interests you,huh?
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Reply #47 posted 07/11/03 7:53am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Universaluv said:

A quick thing on the Corvette commerical. Remember they use an outtake from the SOTT movie, not the original WB recording. moreover, since WB didn't release that flick he effectively cut them out of the $$$.


It's not an outtake since it is IN the movie.

And they didn't use the movie to spite WB, they used it because they couldn't use the original recording.


Pickypickypicky, sure I meant scene, rather than outtake ya got me. And I never said anything about spite, just the effect of what happened as there was some discussion about how much WB had to be involved in using his songs in a commercial.
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