fcukthepolice said:

Man, you may have just lost any credibility you had by making such a bold claim.

Care to retract this statement?

If not, please give me a link to Axl on the piano to back this up.

Accujack said:

No i ahven't lost any credibility. It's true

check the live era version of november rain

I knew that you would point to November Rain, because that is about the only time that I have seen Axl at the piano.

If that is your best example of saying that he is "easily as good as Prince" then:

1. You don't know much of Prince's piano abilities,or

2. You don't know much about piano playing,or

3. Both.

To be clear, I am not claiming that Prince is the greatest piano player in the world, but to claim that Axl is as good as Prince is one of the most ridiculous opinions ever expressed on this forum.

Accujack said:

I have heard many live G N R bootlegs and AXl is good

Prince is not that good

fcukthepolice said:

Post a link so that we all may hear how good Axl is.

I would love for you to prove me wrong.

Accujack said:

I didn;t say he was great. I said good.

Prince is good; not great by any means.

How can i have links to illegal bootlegs?

I didn't say that you said that Axl was great, but you said that he was "easily as good as Prince".

So if there is no legal way to prove that he is "easily as good as Prince" then I guess that I'll just take your word for it.

Accujack said:

blind idol worship

Prince is not that good

He has never done anything as good as novemeber rain or estranged

fcukthepolice said:

blind idol worship?

I previously stated that I didn't think that Prince was the greatest piano player in the world, just that he was miles better than Axl Rose playing the frickin' piano.

I can't believe that anyone would argue that Axl Rose is as good or better than Prince on the piano. If you like Axl's piano "compositions" more than Prince's, that is one thing (it's your opinion no matter how ridiculous it is), but to claim that he is the better piano "player" is another.

You are making an argument that I don't believe that you will find too many in agreement with. Either here or elsewhere.

When did Penelope Cruz marry Tom Cruise?

NDRU said:

she didn't

fcukthepolice said:

I'm just being a jerk

"...and sitting with Penelope Cruise..."

I just love those glasses he is wearing

This thread is unbelievable!

fcukthepolice - take it from me, a piano player of 25 years, Axl Rose is nowhere near as good as Prince on the piano. Prince has more feel, stylistic range, diversity and complexity. You cite ONE SONG to support your opionion and that just isn't sufficient (its obviously one of your all-time faves too) - yours is just a biased opinion based on your love for the song, not its technical attributes. November Rain is very simple to play.

electrorock and realm - this is 2007. Your opinions are so outdated, your attitudes so unbelievably ignorant and your justifications so without merit or thought as to lead one to believe that evolution is something that completely passed you by. Get an education, cos its people like you that hold society back.

1 example from each of you - electrock attempts to justify the use of racially offensive language by saying that the origins of the words are not offensive, as they are derived from Spanish and, ultimately, Latin words for black. But its not the origin that is important, its the USAGE!

realm - equally ridiculously tries to suggest that its ok because "its a song"!! This is somehow different. Well, music is an extremely powerful tool. So much so, that the philospher Plato recognised this a few thousand years ago and claimed that "The best and quickest way to undermine any society is through its music".

I just cannot believe some of the ill-informed, prejudiced bollocks that you read in this site sometimes.

Mindflux, you are exactly right that this thread is unbelievable. I have seen Prince's talents ridiculed on here many times before. I have seen many unfair comparisons between Prince and other "artists" i.e. Justin Timberlake, Pharrell, amongst others.

But, I never thought I would actually see someone on here trying to diminish Prince's talents by saying that Axl fuckin' Rose is "easily as good as Prince" on the piano. Absolutely the worst comparison between Prince and anyone else that I have ever seen on here. Bar none.

Once again, I am not saying that Prince is the most talented at any one particular thing, but come on, Axl fuckin' Rose on the piano? Unreal.

Prince, Penelope Cruz, and Marc Anthony all in the same room....damn i would've loved to have been there!!

Mindflux said:

prince complex?

fcukthepolice said:

Much more complex than Axl Rose.

This argument is stupid. Of course you are the same dimwit, who on the P & R forum, embarrassed yourself by claiming that 9-11 was an inside job.

Dude, you need help.

mindflux, thats what i said. the context, hello!!!

read carefully next time.

Mindflux said:

Great Post - keep educating these children.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Plain and simple, get used to it or move to a communist country. I don't like or agree with what everyone says in USA. That's what makes it America.

And BTW, I said what I said and quit taking it out of context. Yes, its a fucking song. But the song doesn't attack any specific person and GnR is protected in saying what they are saying thru freedom of speech. Just like Chris Rock picks on 'white honkies in his comedy routine. He simply has that freedom, Now if he targeted a specific person in the audience he may have a problem. Defamation of character..etc. But the reality is Chris Rock, Axl etc. are artists and Chris Rock may not treat white people like shit and Axl Rose may not treat black people like shit. I don't read into them being racist because of the content of the art. In GnR's case one song.

I'm not saying Chris Rock, GnR, some Rap music are right or wrong in what they are saying all the time. I'm just saying people sometimes don't know the difference in Freedom of Speech and how it related to Slander/libel or defamation. Freedom of speech will protect, unless people become blind and start to not understand the importance of Freedom of Speech in society. People just do not understand the difference..

Take Imus, He said what he said, He prolly could have gotten away with the words he used..MINUS He actually attack a specific group of people. The minute you say, "That Bill Bob he is a mother fucking poc white bread trailer trash" Well maybe Billy Bob was just attacked and Freedom of Speech won't hold up. But You say "those mother f-ing white people that listen to john mellencamp records in the trailer park and eat mayonnaise sandwiches" well your protected. Unless things change and personally I'm not for censorship or banning words.

It amazes me the idiots that are for or against freedom of speech depending upon who is attacked in the song or comedy attack. People are making it about the words when it should be about the specific attack.

Axl did what he did but hey, Chris Rock and lots of rap music does the same. I'm just cool with everyone being protected. I'm not for a specific person being attacked..like in the case of Imus or Michael Richards.

Now just go ahead and attack me personally instead of chatting about the actual issues!

realm said:

I hear you. What Axl said was really ugly, but I don't think it was meant to be pretty. It wasn't his example of how he wasn't fucked up, it was the example he gave of how he was fucked up.

Funny at the time NWA thought Axl was cool because he said what he thought--for better or worse--and Axl responded by wearing an NWA hat onstage out of respect.

Bottom line he sang some ignorant and bitter and prejudiced and stupid shit, but he was ballsy enough to do it because it was the honest truth that was in his head. It's no worse really than rapping about slashing your wife's throat. Just an ugly feeling, and we're full of them all day long.

It's almost better to get that out and expose that people still think that way rather than pretend everything's cool.

Not to mention, he could conceivably be a good piano player AND a racist..

realm said:

what point are you making? nobody's saying axl should be jailed for what he said, people are just saying he's a racist. it's axl's freedom of speech to say racist things, and it's my freedom of speech to call him a racist piece of shit in response.

electrorock said:

and what does any of this have to do with anything i said?

electrorock said:

well, y'know....300 years of oppression can sometimes make a difference. who'da thunk it, huh?

electrorock said:

i never said they weren't disrespectful. certainly "jew" is very high up there, even from a black person, given its history. i was making the point that all racist terms are not the same. racist terms have differing histories and contexts, all of which are invoked whenever one is used.

electrorock said:

look....virtually noone except elderly white southerners fucking uses the word anymore. the fact you still do seems to suggest you aren't really in a state of sociopolitical awareness to comment on these type of issues. go up to a light-skinned black person and call them a "mulatto", see what happens


and you still havent answered my question....you said "all black people aren't niggers". there was a time when they were...when did things change, and how according to you does one go about differentiating between "black people " and "niggers"?
[Edited 11/2/07 17:47pm]

Thanks for the link it was interesting to watch.

chewymusic said:

Oh of course you can! Just do what I did, turn the sound on your speakers right down. I don't like him either.

theghostoftonym said:

Right on, I agree. So, You are for Axls freedom of speech(?) but you damn him for what he is saying.

I'm not going into the specifics If I think (IMO) Chris Rock, Axl/Slash, NWA are racist or shitheads. I'm simply stating the facts that they know how to state something edgy about race without getting involved in problems with the law.

I thought it was fucked up what happened to Ice T.

Beyond what my opinion is, if I think some artists are a piece of shits. That doesn't matter much. Freedom of speech is more meaningful to me than my opinion about Chris Rock. Sorry, thats just where I stand.

i swear i saw kanye west in that clip. but is was cool 2 c Prince in a normal setting. He looked like he was having fun. Execpt for the twinz they looked like sluts in those dresses that were so low cut in the back. Prince and the twinz always seem to color coordinate their outfits with each other. Thats kinda cute.

theghostoftonym said:

CHIC0 said:

That's right. I said it.

"Raisinets."