joelmarable said:

Oh shittt couldnt have siad it better myself.."some" of the critics of TRC wold be the ones redlighjting WDC etc. as youve stated. Nothing more really needs to be said.

WTF - 'the music seems to be coming from a fresher place' & 'his confidence is sooo high'

have a douche already if want something fresh. Clearly you just trying to pick a fight. While your at it, pick up another copy of TRC in the local cut out bin

Forget it boys...rdhull is dead on it!

jthad1129 said:

Playing those instruments before has nothing to do with whether or not it's a leap in musicianship. And John Blackwell added an element to a Prince album that has never been added to this extent before.


Prince hasn't.


For Prince it is.


Sooo...you think the masses bought those recordings and didn't have an aversion to them? In pure "masses" terms; it took Lovesexy A LONG time to even go gold. It's mainly the hardest of the hardcores who love that album so much. The only reason ATWIAD was a #1 album is because of the album that preceded it became his biggest seller. Release that album after 1999 or even before it and there's no way it hits #1. Your logic is flawed. TRC can't possibly divide the masses because the vast majority of the masses don't even know Prince still releases albums.


Since you talk about dividing the masses, Prince jumped the shark long ago when he refused to release a Purple Rain II.

jthad1129 said:

I'll let RD speak for himself. But I'm over 25 and have been listening to Prince since 1978. The blanket statements and flawed logic you come up with regarding your theories don't hold water.

I've listened to TRC so many times in my Discman I've scratched my copy already. Gonna have to get a new one. I think that tells you EVERYTHING you need to know.

Beautiful melodies, exquisite vocals, superb musicianship AND experimentalism on a par with his 80's 'peak' - what more do you need? If you don't like TRC - you're a FOOL!

Thanks for the name calling.

And thanks to all the people that helped me kick TRC out of the album survivor competition at #7. I wish it would have been out sooner but 7 is OK with me.

I know why he hid in the spine


This topic is so tired but the majority of sane people helped me prove my point

jthad1129 said:

What a CROCK! The only place you've proven anything is in your head. Weak.

nova-
don't you have a basketball to shoot or something?

the masses have spoken, trc bows out at 7, and even thats too close to the top.

remember, i could only vote once.

thank God we have some orgers with some good musical taste, unlike yourself. Maybe when your older you'll understand, now go do your homework.

jthad1129 said:

wtf? douche?pick a fight? Oh youre one of those eh? debate gets rough and you feel smeared.

jthad1129 said:

you have no skills...since you want to go "there"

Well, I come in at pre 92 and am in my thirties.

I love TRC, plain and simple. I don't agree with the message of the lyrics but that is an irrelevance. It is an amazing piece of work. I saw him in London and watching him playing the title track live was an awesmome experience. How anybody could witness that guitar work and not love this album, I really don't know.

I am gonna play it now.

you know, going to the shows last week made me dig out a lot of the old stuff (making up new compilations etc) and for me, TRC is his finest work since lovesexy, i mean i can fit the stuff from the 90's that i like on maybe 2 cds, but TRC is special

definitely in my top 5 P albums

jthad1129 said:

How original. How unfunny. How irrelavent.


Ohhh, you're talking about voting here on this isolated thing we call Prince.org. Why didn't you say that's what YOU consider "the masses"?


Funny you should mention that. I've been doing serious homework since 1978 - and that started out having nothing to do with Prince. No, I don't have a basketball to shoot, but I do have some music to record. Nice, feeble, attempts at insults, but you know nada about me. Put that in your crock and cook it. You come up with IDIOTIC asides that you pull out of the air because you don't have the acumen to discuss this from a musical point of view - whether you like the album or not has nothing to do with THAT. That's perfectly fine, but don't try act like you're some type of authority with this "when you're older" shit, cuz that don't cut it, son. You're out of your league. Buh bye.

This album is GREAT. Seeing it live brought it home for me.

I downloaded it when it came out, I've bought the cd (for the liner notes) and have recently picked it up on vinyl.

The preaching aspect was a little bit of a turn off but I felt the vibe 100%.

If you don't like it, I don't care.
[This message was edited Tue Oct 15 16:33:13 PDT 2002 by JamesMarshallHendrix]

Supernova said:

In another time, another place, we would be fuckin'...

Maybe rd and nova should hook up and have some TRC listening parties. That would be hip and cool, just make sure to send me an invite.

smooches

rdhull said:

You are sooo BAD.

It sucked.And it has nothing to do with preaching.

its okay, the first track, and last track are nice..

the voice was a dark shadow upon the album, very interesting, but far from his best..

wheres the energy in this? not much in my opinion.. it was layed back and very cool, in fact eye dont think he has reached his best.. and it definantly isnt gonna be in some live cd, thats 4 sure..

oh yeah and the piano cd was a nice try, but didnt cut the cake for me.. too short. the first track was an excellent indication 4 the album 2 b very creative, but turned out 2 be just another dust collector, and eye LOVE piano solo music.. but this is another that was just not enough.. for me that is:)

I didn't play it for months. I don't like it at all.

It's simply put a very good album. Not the greatest masterpiece in musical history but a fascinating release. People who put it down are always a) little twerps who can't tell the difference between a flugelhorn and a hamster (those same people who still seem to think Prince actually sang "Snowman" himself!) b) wannabe 70's fusion musos, who thinkthe Mahavishnu orchestra is the highlight of jazz history. c) bitter individuals. whose sites Prince's lawyers shut down years ago (do I need to mention any names?)

Having said that, I personally very much enjoy the first half of the record for its intuitiveness (it reminds me of "A Wizard, A True Star" by Todd Rundgren because of its fluency not ATWIAD), but the second half seems to me much to bound on the NPS style lacklustre songwriting. "The Last December", even though I am able to enjoy the piece, is in particular a prime example of bad songwriting. The melodic motifs of the verses with the contradicting simple and naive chorus and the "progressive" musical show-off fest at the end are just beyond comparison. Terrible.

I don't really agree with that (though I think he put in a few too many breaks in the song).
But it's funny, you sound like a music critic!
[This message was edited Wed Oct 16 3:02:01 PDT 2002 by calldapplwondery83]

Supernova said:

Nova

My only complaint about TRC: the instrumental jam immediately following The Rainbow Chilren should have it's own track number - that shit is SWEET!

CalhounSq said:

It's intoxicating. It could go on for another 10 minutes and I'd get happily drunk on it.

"Digital Garden" could have been fleshed out a bit more too.

Sdldawn said:

you trying to say he needs a producer to edit his trax?

calldapplwondery83 said:

Funny you said that. I do write articles from time to time. To free publications and I never write negative reviews on anything. Life's too precious for that.
But "The Last December" all in all is indeed a very good example of what's so wrong with a lot of today's rock music. The chorus itself has a very simple "call and response" type of figure with a lot of backing tracks to beef it up and give the indifferent melody a lot of leverage. An old trick for lazy people with multi-tracking studio capabilities. The old Prince would have avoided such things like Martha Stewart TV-specials. He's gotten a bit lazy songwriting wise during the more recent years.

If you've ever heard the track live you should realize how badly written it really is. Doesn't stop me from enjoying it though. And the verse melody and intro are classic Prince.

PFunkjazz said:

well, Yes!! He needs one.

Whoever Produced Jeff Buckleys Grace, is great:)

Novabreaker said:

That's right, without the thick vocals the chorus indeed doesn't really work. But I love that guitar break!

This album just gets better & better for me. I don't think I truly appreciated until I saw the ONA show, which blew me away.

On my first listen I was un-convinced. At face value there is a lot to put you off. The sprawling dialogues make for awkward listening, however I was instantly taken by the sound of the album.

Without a doubt princes most "organic" sounding album. Diamonds & Pearls acheived a good 'band sound', but TRC surpassed that creating some excellent sonics that actually allowed you to "hear" the instrument. The whole album as a live feel to it, without ever compromising the polished studio sensibilities that we have come to expect of a master craftsman such as Prince.

Lyrically this is P's best album in more years than I care to remember. For a time now, I've been disappopinted with the lack of focus in princes lyrics, the silly ryhmes that would have once been filled in by thoughtful or comedic observations, left his music feeling empty.

As an atheist, I find it difficult to connect to the lyrics of the album, but I respect them, and they interest me. It's more exciting to see that prince is finally thinking about his lyrics again.

I didn't read a bad review of this album, fans have heaped praise upon it and deservedly so. I remember how empty Rave... left me feeling, but TRC satisfies completely.