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Reply #30 posted 10/13/02 3:31am

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Housequake2K2 said:

LadyCabDriver said:

Let me just put it this way...TRC is Grammy award material, jack...nod


That may be true LCD, but we know that just ain't gonna happen.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if he's inducted in the
Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.

You're right. This album DESERVES all the Grammy accolades, but it wont get them, cuz he's not on a major label. It'd be nice though, if someone on that voting committee with common sense would push that album through and have it at LEAST be nominated...it'd put Prince on the map again. Or...not. biggrin (and he can remain our little secret) wink
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Reply #31 posted 10/13/02 4:37am

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heart from the start...
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #32 posted 10/13/02 5:32am

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I think it's on a par with 1999 & Lovesexy as being my favorite Prince albums. I'm not really into lyrics, so the whole preaching thing doesn't bother me. The music though fully kicks me in the behind. Favorite tracks - "Muse 2 the Pharoh", "Deconstruction" (damn that's a sweet keyboard sound!), "Family Name" & "Last December". Most dissapointing tracks (but still good mind you!) - "Digital Garden" & "Wedding Feast".
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Reply #33 posted 10/13/02 8:12am

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Personally speaking, I loved this album from day one and it has grown on me more and more on each listen. The only spoiler was the narrator but even that doesn't grate any more, instead pulling the songs together into one wonderful fusion.

It's interesting to see everybody posting positively - a turnaround from initial posts regarding TRC and shows the benefit of repeated listening. To me, it's very hard to review a Prince album on just 1 listening as it needs several spins before appreciating. Only exception is New Power Soul which I couldn't bear listening to again and again!

Overall, TRC is right up there with Lovesexy & Sign O The Times in my view. Also, now more and more people are hearing the tracks live I am sure the general opinion on them will grow in enthusiasm.
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Reply #34 posted 10/13/02 9:36am

fran

IMO TRC is a masterpiece. Since Lovesexy and the Black Album Prince hasn't been that innovative. Although I do listen to the other albums as well I do only really enjoy the NPG albums Goldnigga, Exodus and The War. Emancipation has some good songs but should have been a double cd.

Since Prince was finally freed from WB I was waiting for an album like this. But, he came out with an albums like Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic. Instead of being innovative Rave was a very commercial effort. This became even more obvious when NPGMC members received the remixed version of Rave in2 which at least feels much better for me.

In all these years I was wondering why Prince was never able of finally delivering what he was always talking about, new music. I can only guess, that it just took him all this time to personally realize that he is finally free and let go of his superstar status and embark to new frontiers.

Listening to TRC an ONA, for me it looks like he has finally made that transition. Attending the celebration 02 I was blown away by the Live versions of TRC which do top the studio versions big time. So I am very glad that Prince has decided to come out with the ONA Live which consist of 9 songs from these two albums.

Finally, I did never understood why so many people did have problems with the lyrics. Why can't people be more relaxed about somebodies believes or thoughts. Prince isn't forcing anybody to think or believe the same way. Just listening to the radio you have to admitt that the lyrics of many songs are often meaningless. So why getting upset about lyrics which actually seem to mean something to the man.

I just hope that Prince keeps on growing and that he finally is willing and able to come out with the albums which are sitting in the vault and according to femy are absolutely breathtaking.
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Reply #35 posted 10/13/02 9:40am

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Musically, it's his most inspired and... well... interesting.

Lyrically, it's his worst.
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Reply #36 posted 10/13/02 10:12am

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purplecam said:

It was the first Prince album since Lovesexy that made me go What was that? after I listened to it and that was a good thing cause I hadn't felt like that in many years with his music. It's still one of my favorites. The music is so kick ass. I look at the lyrics as a story. I'm not at all offended by them, even though there were a couple of things he said that I didn't agree with, I just laughed at it. It's a masterpiece and I wish more people could hear this.

My thoughts entirely,
How is it possible not to love this album?

Only thing I don't like is I've been waiting so long for it. A true Prince album in that it demands an opinion one way or the other, unlike some of the stuff of recent years which merely demanded to be ignored.

IMO it takes him back to the late 80's in terms of being creative, imaginative and more importantly, original. To not like this album is to dismiss the true essence of Prince's music. Before he felt the need to be commercial he did what he wanted, he was daring and played music his own way. I feel that having spent years wasting time attempting sales success he has finally reached true success musically again.

Why are people so hung up on the lyrics? The fucking songs are his, so its his right to add his own lyrics. Don't get so hung up on them. Now he has a cause he feels passionate about, the songs have taken him to a level he hasn't touched for years. I say Thank God for God!! Otherwise he may have continued with all that Rave shit.
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Reply #37 posted 10/13/02 10:35am

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I agree with the general consensus - loved and happily surprised on initial listen, taken aback on second with some of the lyrics, soon came 2 terms with that and just love listening 2 it. 1 of the best!
And about the lyrics - I think that some people miss the point by focussing only on the JW-Christian stuff. I see the album as mixing three themes: the JW apocalyptic vision (which includes a philosophically interesting abstract idea of divinity), an Ancient Egyptian epic based on the Pharaoh Akhenaton, a treatment of the African American experience particularly vis-a-vis slavery. The amazing thing is that each can be seen in some ways as a metaphor for the others. I actually find that the JW stuff is more like wrapping than it is content - giving a structure 2 more universal themes. It was this that always enabled me 2 love "The Cross" even though I'm Jewish.
People claim that Lovesexy was more abstract, universal and playful, whereas the JW stuff is more preachy and religious. That may be, but, on the other hand, The Cross and 4 the Tears in Your Eyes were also religious. They were only more universal than the TRC stuff if u r a mainstream Christian (which, admittedly, many more people are, than are JWs). For people like me, the context remains the same.
There are still things that irk me about some of the lyrics (with Pearlman as a surname, I'm still in 2 minds about Family Name, even tho musically it's my favorite), but that doesn't harm my overall appreciation of the album as 1 of his greatest. (I guess I should b happy that he's pleased 2 meet me!!!)

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Reply #38 posted 10/13/02 4:06pm

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Hit&Miss for me overall.I dug the fact He was Playing Live Instrumentation again&that was really a added bonus.but the songs on a whole were Hit&Miss for me.I think from a Playing Perspective this is Better than the stuff He has put out on a whole in over a Decade IMHO.wasn't too cool on the Lyrics except "She Loves me 4 Me".I truly Feel Prince has fallen way off on the Lyrical Department IMHO."1+1=3" was cool for me because it took back to the "Love or Money" Era.but this Album was missing the Jams for Me overall."Family Name" has that tight Louis Johnson Bass Groove from Michael Jackson's "Burn This Disco Out" from the Off The Wall Album.but the Playing outweighs the Overall Content for me.for Me He can't seem to Put Words&Music together anymore IMHO.it's like when He had Michael Bland&Sonny&couldn't bring a Song to Match the Grooves they were Playing.John Blackwell is Badd no doubt.I Applaud the Playing on the Album overall nice Fenders&whatnot but overall Prince just doesn't Hit me with the Songs.if this Album was Instrumental it would have been Better for me IMHO.I give Props to Prince for getting Najee out of the way quickly.but just Him being Associated with Prince on Record or on Stage is Reason too Being Very Afraid.so overall for Me Hit&Miss but far Better than the Past Decade&Change Easily IMHO.just Him Playing Live&doing His thing is so much better than Him looking lost.I might not be knocked out with this Album on a Whole but I give the Brother Props for getting back to Him.
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Reply #39 posted 10/13/02 4:40pm

Anji

mistermaxxx said:

Hit&Miss for me overall.I dug the fact He was Playing Live Instrumentation again&that was really a added bonus.but the songs on a whole were Hit&Miss for me.I think from a Playing Perspective this is Better than the stuff He has put out on a whole in over a Decade IMHO.wasn't too cool on the Lyrics except "She Loves me 4 Me".I truly Feel Prince has fallen way off on the Lyrical Department IMHO."1+1=3" was cool for me because it took back to the "Love or Money" Era.but this Album was missing the Jams for Me overall."Family Name" has that tight Louis Johnson Bass Groove from Michael Jackson's "Burn This Disco Out" from the Off The Wall Album.but the Playing outweighs the Overall Content for me.for Me He can't seem to Put Words&Music together anymore IMHO.it's like when He had Michael Bland&Sonny&couldn't bring a Song to Match the Grooves they were Playing.John Blackwell is Badd no doubt.I Applaud the Playing on the Album overall nice Fenders&whatnot but overall Prince just doesn't Hit me with the Songs.if this Album was Instrumental it would have been Better for me IMHO.I give Props to Prince for getting Najee out of the way quickly.but just Him being Associated with Prince on Record or on Stage is Reason too Being Very Afraid.so overall for Me Hit&Miss but far Better than the Past Decade&Change Easily IMHO.just Him Playing Live&doing His thing is so much better than Him looking lost.I might not be knocked out with this Album on a Whole but I give the Brother Props for getting back to Him.



Interesting point of view that Prince has somewhat lost touch with equipping his lyrics (that used make us feel good) with the music of late. I tend to agree although I hadn't thought about it like that until you mentioned it. As much as I love some of the music of the 90's, I think the major ingredient that has been lacking are kick ass lyrics. Still, The Rainbow Children album and the One Nite Alone tour has revitalised my faith that it's just around the corner...
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Reply #40 posted 10/13/02 7:33pm

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1st time I listened to it [after 30 hours of download hell]
I was shocked in a very positive way. The sound of the disc
was so incredibly fresh and organic when compared to songs
on Rave or even some of the monthly downloads on the npgmc
-altho those sounded a bit more healthy already.

It was the first time in a long while that you couldn't
predict where the songs were going after the first minute.
Surprises, unpredictable moves and cool mellow vibes with
beautiful instrumentation.

After that initial shock of positiveness the lyrics began
to bug me more and more.

I've made my peace with the album again now and enjoy it
for what it is: an immensely creative monolith of an album.

And eventho I still feel a bit ill-disposed toward the last
two songs "Everlasting Now" and "Last December" for their
overtly religious content, I can now just enjoy them for
the brilliant musical offering. The guitar lacings and the
exquisit drumming.

The one thing that seems to bother the most people, i.e.
the 'narrator' or 'all my dreams voice' if you will, is
actually one of my favorit bits about this album.

See, instead of just viewing "The Rainbow Children" as just
another Prince album with a collection of songs, we should
take it for what it is. Not as a collection of songs that
will have to bridge a timespan of 1 year before we get new
stuff. But as a kind of transit of gestation.

It's a move into a very positive musical glass of water and
a certain style and ease that's been lacking his music for
the best part of a decade now. I wouldn't call it a return
to form tho, but just a means of escape from the mold of
plastic production and predicatble sounds. Radical as it
might be, it opens up a lot of doors for the next projects.

I'm not too concerned about the religious content anymore
now that I've received "One Nite Alone" and notice that he
still manages to pull off beautiful songs without stuffing
them full of religious propaganda.

It's much more likely that The Rainbow Children was a very
personal outing, someting he wanted to get off his chest to
be able to move on to another level.

And it seems he did. Proof of that being the ONA tour and
the amazing shows he puts on again. [as compared to, say,
the Jam Of The Year tour].


Melody Said:

About this post: Beautifully written!
I don't say this just because I agree with it,
because I don't agree with all of it, but I do agree with most of it.

The style is almost poetic. The development is outstanding.
The paragraphs...the sentences not criss-crossing the entire page;
the spacing of the paragraphs... all remind me
of another poster.(smile)

I would like to add this. When I go back and listen to some
of the older songs and compare the sound to the same songs
done by Prince and the NPG live, now...Man!, I'm glad he has
moved on up a little higher. The music now is fuller,
richer, and more fierce than ever!

Oh yes, my opinion of TRC? It's Great!
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #41 posted 10/13/02 8:54pm

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Am I the only perosn on the org who hated TRC more now than when I first listend to it??? Damn I worry about you guys!!! And on a trival side note; wasn`t the original name for TRC supposed to be The Larry Graham Experience???



barf TRC barf
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Reply #42 posted 10/13/02 10:35pm

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its sits...dust covered in a cd rack...played it once...tried to play it twice...

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Reply #43 posted 10/13/02 11:07pm

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funkbible said:

[color=purple:4208078f71:46ef1e4ada] Am I the only perosn on the org who hated TRC more now than when I first listend to it??? Damn I worry about you guys!!! And on a trival side note; wasn`t the original name for TRC supposed to be The Larry Graham Experience???



barf TRC barf


..doubtful, since Larry Graham is barely on it...
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Reply #44 posted 10/15/02 10:20am

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I bought this album because I saw the commercial
for it on T.V.where people from Celebration 2001 were talking about it.
This was the first time I had ever bought
an album based on word of mouth alone,without ever hearing one full song.

What had encouraged me to buy it was watching Purple Rain
on television and listening to
Mariah's and Alicia's cover versions of his songs.The narrator's voice shocked me and took
me awhile to get used to.I actually
skipped through most of the album at
my first listen,but the song that sucked me
into the story was She Loves Me 4 Me.

That's when I became a Prince fan,and I owe it to The Rainbow Children.
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Reply #45 posted 10/15/02 11:12am

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TRC was Princes answer to all those idiots who said Prince could not cut it anymore. Saul, Beck etc...they didnt exactly say he couldt cut it but they had beocme critical openly on his work in popular print. Prince saw Dangelo and the new soul patrol doing his schtick. Prince made TRC to teach the children how its done..its his way of saying what Morris said in Purple Rain right before he sang Jungle Love, "why dont ya stay a while..see how its done". This is how you use the rhodes..this is how you do a slow jam..this is how you fuse rock and soul..this is how you do the guitar and make it sound so smoove and effortless..this is how you make a decent, easy on the ears melody...but he did it his way and with his own context (religion, dogma, etc). So fucking what if he did? Most who dog TRC are blatant idiots who have grown to just criticize any Prince output because of extraneous shenanegins. No objectivity whatsoever...and being put off on the religion thing is just sooo much boolshit..he's had bang you over the head dogmatic lyrics for a long"goddamned" time. TRC is like the Parade of the '00. It is totally inpsired and he returned to form in the studio with this one and it seems he got his confidence back so watch the fuck out for the next official studio release.Only Prince could have made this record and it sounds it. Thank "god".
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Reply #46 posted 10/15/02 11:16am

DigitalLisa

rdhull said:

TRC was Princes answer to all those idiots who said Prince could not cut it anymore. Saul, Beck etc...they didnt exactly say he couldt cut it but they had beocme critical openly on his work in popular print. Prince saw Dangelo and the new soul patrol doing his schtick. Prince made TRC to teach the children how its done..its his way of saying what Morris said in Purple Rain right before he sang Jungle Love, "why dont ya stay a while..see how its done". This is how you use the rhodes..this is how you do a slow jam..this is how you fuse rock and soul..this is how you do the guitar and make it sound so smoove and effortless..this is how you make a decent, easy on the ears melody...but he did it his way and with his own context (religion, dogma, etc). So fucking what if he did? Most who dog TRC are blatant idiots who have grown to just criticize any Prince output because of extraneous shenanegins. No objectivity whatsoever...and being put off on the religion thing is just sooo much boolshit..he's had bang you over the head dogmatic lyrics for a long"goddamned" time. TRC is like the Parade of the '00. It is totally inpsired and he returned to form in the studio with this one and it seems he got his confidence back so watch the fuck out for the next official studio release.Only Prince could have made this record and it sounds it. Thank "god".




Sounds more like a experiment, then music 2 me.

1+1+1 = 3
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Reply #47 posted 10/15/02 11:19am

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DigitalLisa said:


Sounds more like a experiment, then music 2 me.


That's a good thing..nobody wants him to placate by making "radio freindly" music etc...his best shit has been experimental and out of the norm. TRC takes time.
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Reply #48 posted 10/15/02 11:20am

origmnd

If ya don't like it...time to jump ship...

cause U ain't doin' yourself, Prince or

anybody here any good by STINKIN' around.
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Reply #49 posted 10/15/02 11:35am

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origmnd said:

If ya don't like it...time to jump ship...



Nobody is jumping anything..those who hate his non-musical practices,subject matter in recent music will STILL be around, STILL buy Prince releases, STILL go to see him in concert, STILL go to the celebrations...and then come back to the computer and whine about him. Some whining etc "might" be reasonable ...but if Prince upsets one so, then why not let go? "Love-Hate"-Pebbles.
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Reply #50 posted 10/15/02 11:44am

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How many times do we have to answer his question. Half love it (mostly newbies, post 1992) and half hate it (mostly old schoolers, pre 1992). I am part of the later half wondering what the hell he is doing, thinking and what direction he is possibly going in. Every genius has his blue period, Prince is having too many of these periods.
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Reply #51 posted 10/15/02 11:53am

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jthad1129 said:

How many times do we have to answer his question.


We have the rest of our lives..TRC will be a milestone --pre and before TRC.

Half love it (mostly newbies, post 1992) and half hate it (mostly old schoolers, pre 1992).


No way..I dont agree with that

I am part of the later half wondering what the hell he is doing, thinking and what direction he is possibly going in. Every genius has his blue period, Prince is having too many of these periods.


How the heck can you be an oldschooler and not appreciate the growth and musicianship?... See this is why TRC is a milestone--it is going to be the most controversial, fan dividing, argued for and against album of his career. THATS A GOOD THING!!!
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Reply #52 posted 10/15/02 12:41pm

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Sorry, meant to say 'How many times do we answer THIS question' nothing personal.

Some people think TRC was this giant leap in musical musicianship?? I don't know where this comes from. He has played those instuments before, he has played that music before, and we all love it. The music is nothing new. The lyrics and outlook is what is different. Besides a new band. He changes his band like he does he underwear.

Yes, it is a milestone lyrically, just like ATWIAD, the black album and Lovesexy was. But those didn't divide the masses like this one. Way over the top. Lost so many.

Musically it is the same greatness, no growth, nothing new, just a different package.

It will go down as the ultimate...jump the shark.
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Reply #53 posted 10/15/02 1:31pm

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its an amazing piece of art and i cant wait to see how he will follow it
This love is a private affair
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Reply #54 posted 10/15/02 2:07pm

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again, you must be under 25 and never have had the influence of lovesexy
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Reply #55 posted 10/15/02 2:28pm

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...i cant wait to see how he will follow it


On this, I agree. TRC is not really a surprise; Prince
has done this routine before, where he's excited about
"the new thing" in his life and puts it in the music.

What has piqued my interest in Prince is where he's
about to go.

To me, TRC is similar to Lovesexy in that one senses
he is on the brink. The brink of what, however,
remains to be seen.
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Reply #56 posted 10/15/02 2:29pm

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jthad1129 said:

again, you must be under 25 and never have had the influence of lovesexy

i'm both and i still say that trc leaves a lot 2 be desired. neutral
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Reply #57 posted 10/15/02 2:33pm

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rdhull said:

TRC was Princes answer to all those idiots who said Prince could not cut it anymore. Saul, Beck etc...they didnt exactly say he couldt cut it but they had beocme critical openly on his work in popular print. Prince saw Dangelo and the new soul patrol doing his schtick. Prince made TRC to teach the children how its done..its his way of saying what Morris said in Purple Rain right before he sang Jungle Love, "why dont ya stay a while..see how its done". This is how you use the rhodes..this is how you do a slow jam..this is how you fuse rock and soul..this is how you do the guitar and make it sound so smoove and effortless..this is how you make a decent, easy on the ears melody...but he did it his way and with his own context (religion, dogma, etc). So fucking what if he did? Most who dog TRC are blatant idiots who have grown to just criticize any Prince output because of extraneous shenanegins. No objectivity whatsoever...and being put off on the religion thing is just sooo much boolshit..he's had bang you over the head dogmatic lyrics for a long"goddamned" time. TRC is like the Parade of the '00. It is totally inpsired and he returned to form in the studio with this one and it seems he got his confidence back so watch the fuck out for the next official studio release.Only Prince could have made this record and it sounds it. Thank "god".

AMEN, brotha, and again, I say...AMEN!!! nod
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Reply #58 posted 10/15/02 3:52pm

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guys trc is a concept album meaning each song goes with the rest of the music on it. the album is meant 2 tell a story rather than being just a collection of 12 songs. no one works concept albums anymore like the beatles used 2 do. or rush or earth wind and fire. but prince does and he does it well. this is art guys not radio friendly music but it would sound very well going down the street on the box. u cant just put it in a box its a verstile cd jazz, funk, godly overtones, a little of everthing. i would love 2 hear kirk franklin and prince get busy. trc is great i think his next one will b better.he needs 2 make whatever the f--k he feels like making thats when his shit is the best. u guys would have never went 4 doves cry without that bass line because u never heard anything like it and radio was not playing shit like that. or nikki u have 2 do things different 2 b a leader.refrain from following is what prince does best. take another chance my man some of us are with it.
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Reply #59 posted 10/15/02 4:00pm

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jthad1129 said:

Sorry, meant to say 'How many times do we answer THIS question' nothing personal.

Some people think TRC was this giant leap in musical musicianship?? I don't know where this comes from. He has played those instuments before, he has played that music before, and we all love it. The music is nothing new. The lyrics and outlook is what is different. Besides a new band. He changes his band like he does he underwear.


WTF his band changes got to do with it right now? Pffft-yeah we heard him play these instruments before but not with this much confidence..amd yes I can say that because I can feel the confidence pourng out ofmy speakers..without any artsy fartsy band tripping up the mis. Pure organic music right here. The music is new becasuae it seems like its coming from a fresher place...same as the overly praised Lovesexy. This time he didnt say "..no smack in my brain" speech (insert Larry Graham joke here)

Yes, it is a milestone lyrically, just like ATWIAD, the black album and Lovesexy was. But those didn't divide the masses like this one. Way over the top. Lost so many.


Youre getting there. ATWIAD divided and lost many..and not just the bandwagoners...and Purple Rain divided and lost many believe it or not. This shit of Prince doing what he wants and going "out there" has been par for the course in his career. Lots of hits and misses, but even a supposed foul ball goes pretty far and makes people look in suspense.

Musically it is the same greatness, no growth, nothing new, just a different package.


All the criticism intertwined with "milestone yes..same greatness..etc"--come on g money. You know you wanna say you dig it lol

It will go down as the ultimate...jump the shark.


No..the ultimate was ATWIAD and UTCM. He lost his greatest momentum and was thisss close to becoming THE rock god but he blinked...
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