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Thread started 10/19/07 12:35pm

Riverpoet31

The REAL story behind the song 'Sister'(?)

Today is was reading a biography about Prince again, and it made me 'see' the real story behind the lyrics from 'sister'. At least, i think this is the real deal.

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When Prince was age 7, his biological father John L. Nelson did divorce Princes mom, Mattie. After a while Mattie did remarry with Hayward Baker, who allready had children of his own, including Sharon Baker, who was older then Prince. She became a halfsister of him.

When Sharon became older she moved to New York. Prince did stay at her house for a while when he was 16 and looking for a recordcontract in the Big apple.

Looking at the lyrics of the 'sister' you can see that Prince is singing about: 'I was only 16, and just half a man' and 'my sister was 32, lovely and loose'. Those lines make me think Prince had a sexual experience with his halfsister in New York.

Since Sharon is not a bloodrelative of him, technically it wasnt a case of 'incest' as he sings about in the song. But i guess he choose the word for shock value, and to make it fit in with the other provocative lyrics on the album.

What do you think, a plausible theory?
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Reply #1 posted 10/19/07 1:35pm

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No. I think the song is made up.
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Reply #2 posted 10/19/07 2:12pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

Today is was reading a biography about Prince again, and it made me 'see' the real story behind the lyrics from 'sister'. At least, i think this is the real deal.

In short:
When Prince was age 7, his biological father John L. Nelson did divorce Princes mom, Mattie. After a while Mattie did remarry with Hayward Baker, who allready had children of his own, including Sharon Baker, who was older then Prince. She became a halfsister of him.

When Sharon became older she moved to New York. Prince did stay at her house for a while when he was 16 and looking for a recordcontract in the Big apple.

Looking at the lyrics of the 'sister' you can see that Prince is singing about: 'I was only 16, and just half a man' and 'my sister was 32, lovely and loose'. Those lines make me think Prince had a sexual experience with his halfsister in New York.

Since Sharon is not a bloodrelative of him, technically it wasnt a case of 'incest' as he sings about in the song. But i guess he choose the word for shock value, and to make it fit in with the other provocative lyrics on the album.

What do you think, a plausible theory?
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That would make her his step-sister, not halfsister.

Interesting theory. Who knows?
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Reply #3 posted 10/19/07 3:43pm

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Interesting.
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Reply #4 posted 10/19/07 4:49pm

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Genesia said:

No. I think the song is made up.


Me too, and more than that I think it's just wordplay. I think he was singing about "a sister" (and I know he says "my sister" but I still stand by my belief lol) and added the incest line as a funny/shocking wordplay that made it seem like "his sister."
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Reply #5 posted 10/19/07 6:40pm

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NDRU said:

Genesia said:

No. I think the song is made up.


Me too, and more than that I think it's just wordplay. I think he was singing about "a sister" (and I know he says "my sister" but I still stand by my belief lol) and added the incest line as a funny/shocking wordplay that made it seem like "his sister."



I would hope that this would be the case. But if he did have a relationship with her...ummm wouldnt that make a rift between the family? Is that why he dosent mention them alot to this day? Well ...except for his father when he was alive. We shall probably never know.

But I think it was mostly for shock value.
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Reply #6 posted 10/19/07 8:29pm

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Who knows? It might be that he fantasized about her and put it in a song.
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Reply #7 posted 10/19/07 8:35pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

Today is was reading a biography about Prince again, and it made me 'see' the real story behind the lyrics from 'sister'. At least, i think this is the real deal.

In short:
When Prince was age 7, his biological father John L. Nelson did divorce Princes mom, Mattie. After a while Mattie did remarry with Hayward Baker, who allready had children of his own, including Sharon Baker, who was older then Prince. She became a halfsister of him.

When Sharon became older she moved to New York. Prince did stay at her house for a while when he was 16 and looking for a recordcontract in the Big apple.

Looking at the lyrics of the 'sister' you can see that Prince is singing about: 'I was only 16, and just half a man' and 'my sister was 32, lovely and loose'. Those lines make me think Prince had a sexual experience with his halfsister in New York.

Since Sharon is not a bloodrelative of him, technically it wasnt a case of 'incest' as he sings about in the song. But i guess he choose the word for shock value, and to make it fit in with the other provocative lyrics on the album.

What do you think, a plausible theory?
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Reply #8 posted 10/20/07 1:22am

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Nice concept..but i know sharon..she still lives in new york..she is far from loose..and was very much married at the time that she was would have been "breakin in" her lil bro..
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prettymansson said:

Nice concept..but i know sharon..she still lives in new york..she is far from loose..and was very much married at the time that she was would have been "breakin in" her lil bro..


hmmm hmmm how do you know its Prince's Sharon? New York does have a zillion ppl living there.But if that is the case..hope his song didnt hit a bad spot with her confused
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Reply #10 posted 10/20/07 9:29am

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Nah. It was just a made up punk song to disgust conservatives.
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Reply #11 posted 10/20/07 9:31am

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No. I think the song is made up.


I agree.Prince just wanted to make a "shocking" song that would raise eyebrows.That was the theme of the album...shocking lyrics and bizarre situations.
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Reply #12 posted 10/20/07 9:49am

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I really hate this website sometimes.



It's quite apparent from the kissing scenes in Purple Rain that Prince was more a man of fantasy than a Casanova.

I would imagine Sister is along the same lines. He's just pointing out taboo subjects, maybe in an effort to be provocative, maybe in an effort for some media attention, but I doubt the song is anyting but fiction.
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I really hate this website sometimes.



It's quite apparent from the kissing scenes in Purple Rain that Prince was more a man of fantasy than a Casanova.

I would imagine Sister is along the same lines. He's just pointing out taboo subjects, maybe in an effort to be provocative, maybe in an effort for some media attention, but I doubt the song is anyting but fiction.
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I hate this website sometimes because of this kind of crap.

"It's quite apparent from the kissing scenes in Purple Rain that Prince was more a man of fantasy than a Casanova."

It is a movie and P is a horrible actor. His on screen kissing means nothing more than that and if you do your reserch he has stated that his sister Sharon lived in Rahway NJ he commuted to NY to look for a record deal. P and Sharon had a disagreement and she put him out on the street.

I would think wrote the song to piss her off.
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laurarichardson said:

gotanproject said:

I really hate this website sometimes.



It's quite apparent from the kissing scenes in Purple Rain that Prince was more a man of fantasy than a Casanova.

I would imagine Sister is along the same lines. He's just pointing out taboo subjects, maybe in an effort to be provocative, maybe in an effort for some media attention, but I doubt the song is anyting but fiction.
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I hate this website sometimes because of this kind of crap.

"It's quite apparent from the kissing scenes in Purple Rain that Prince was more a man of fantasy than a Casanova."

It is a movie and P is a horrible actor. His on screen kissing means nothing more than that and if you do your reserch he has stated that his sister Sharon lived in Rahway NJ he commuted to NY to look for a record deal. P and Sharon had a disagreement and she put him out on the street.

I would think wrote the song to piss her off.


1. Prince is a horrible actor. But this has nothing to do with wether his songs are more fantasy than autobiography, to include his depictions of sexual conquest. His songs are likely fantasy--not documentaries.

2. I wouldn't doubt he may have intended to piss her off, but the song is likely fictional. And this doesn't mean, he wasn't trying to be deliberately provocative or to drum up hype doing it.
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gotanproject said:

laurarichardson said:


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I hate this website sometimes because of this kind of crap.

"It's quite apparent from the kissing scenes in Purple Rain that Prince was more a man of fantasy than a Casanova."

It is a movie and P is a horrible actor. His on screen kissing means nothing more than that and if you do your reserch he has stated that his sister Sharon lived in Rahway NJ he commuted to NY to look for a record deal. P and Sharon had a disagreement and she put him out on the street.

I would think wrote the song to piss her off.


1. Prince is a horrible actor. But this has nothing to do with wether his songs are more fantasy than autobiography, to include his depictions of sexual conquest. His songs are likely fantasy--not documentaries.

2. I wouldn't doubt he may have intended to piss her off, but the song is likely fictional. And this doesn't mean, he wasn't trying to be deliberately provocative or to drum up hype doing it.

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See the Mancea Lighter topic on the home page. P is a big time pimp. She is only one of a dozen that we know of who P hooked up with at the young age of 18.

He got around in the 80's and 90's.
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Reply #17 posted 10/20/07 10:19am

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laurarichardson said:

gotanproject said:



1. Prince is a horrible actor. But this has nothing to do with wether his songs are more fantasy than autobiography, to include his depictions of sexual conquest. His songs are likely fantasy--not documentaries.

2. I wouldn't doubt he may have intended to piss her off, but the song is likely fictional. And this doesn't mean, he wasn't trying to be deliberately provocative or to drum up hype doing it.

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See the Mancea Lighter topic on the home page. P is a big time pimp. She is only one of a dozen that we know of who P hooked up with at the young age of 18.

He got around in the 80's and 90's.

I refuse to even entertain the idea of all those women being badly kissed like that.


It's just too disturbing.
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gotanproject said:

laurarichardson said:


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See the Mancea Lighter topic on the home page. P is a big time pimp. She is only one of a dozen that we know of who P hooked up with at the young age of 18.

He got around in the 80's and 90's.

I refuse to even entertain the idea of all those women being badly kissed like that.


It's just too disturbing.

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It maybe disturbing but, it appears to be true. It is not P boasting about his woman. The woman are coming out of the woodwork all the time talking about him.
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Reply #19 posted 10/20/07 12:29pm

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Why even speculate? confused
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Reply #20 posted 10/20/07 12:56pm

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prettymansson said:

Nice concept..but i know sharon..she still lives in new york..she is far from loose..and was very much married at the time that she was would have been "breakin in" her lil bro..


hmmm hmmm how do you know its Prince's Sharon? New York does have a zillion ppl living there.But if that is the case..hope his song didnt hit a bad spot with her confused

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Reply #21 posted 10/20/07 1:04pm

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If Prince's Step Father already had children when he married his mother, that would make her Prince's Step Sister. Not half sister.
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