tell that to europe in 1945!

eeeh popstars-gotta love em!

The main Problem with people, is they never do what they say
they tell you they want peace then they do everything to make it go away!

OH WAIT, THAT'S PRINCE

Somebody tell me, How is that resolution??

That's a pretty cocky topic, Winning a war in favor of loving everyone is the only war worth fighting for. I think that's what Prince means by winning.

Tame said:

i was waiting for one of 'those replies"

That's goddamn right, the prosperity felt by Britain after WWII had to be seen to be believed. The feel good factor after having 'won' the war mitigated somewhat by rationing, unemployment, poor housing, debt and impending war with a belligerent Soviet bloc. Oh, and Ireland... oh, and then Malaysia and then Korea... oh and Suez... and Ireland again and then Aden and then Ireland again and then the Falklands and then Ireland and then Iraq... twice. And Belize and Sierra Leone and Afghanistan... Oh, we have finished paying off our war debts now... good news there then. Thank Christ we won, eh?

all i know is, those lyrics make me cringe.

BoySimon said:

I wonder what that post would sound like in German...

i believe no one wins in war. too much death and destruction.

Genesia... I'm not sure... How about: Thank god for the Marshall Plan and the huge financial investment in the western half of our country that allowed us to rebuild and reestablish ourselves commercially so successfully and dominantly in post-war Europe... It may sound something like that.

BoySimon said:

jesus-did i just read that?

BoySimon said:

and the tiny point of stopping genocide

jonylawson said:

please tell us "boy" simon how if you were churchill in 39 would have dealt with the nazi invasion of europe?

i very much doubt whether a guitar and a few chessy lyrics would have realy worked

War is futile, to get peace people take other people's peace away by killing them!

if everyone took the stand of a conscientious objector...

oh, never mind.

if ya don't get it, ya don't get it.

sosgemini said:


I'm with you on that one. Terrible terrible lyrics.

In war nobody wins!It's only suffering. Look at this world:
war in the east, war in the west, war.... What we need is LOVE,said BOB MARLEY
LOVE in the lead, said PRINCE.
That's why we have to look at this Kingdom, a goverment of LOVE and it will
bring peace and harmony on the whole earth. We are now in the labor,a suffering time, wars are
one sign, but soon the baby will be born and there will be a great joy and all the wars
and greedy politicians are gone forever. ONE WORLD ONE LOVE
will you join 3121?

Prince has always given lip service to the whole peace thing but he's a volatile person who seems to create lots of conflict himself. I really don't see much difference in someone who lives for power and gets it, even non-violently, and people who actually fight physically. Prince is not a very peaceful person so i don't listen to most of his rhetoric. For me to listen to a man, they have to prove themselves true to their words and most men can't.

My point being - aside from the empty feeling that many in the UK felt at the end of the war (married to, of course, relief that the horror of the killing and the potentially worse fighting in Japan was ended) - was that in 1918 the 'War to END all wars' concluded... The point being, you fight one war just in time to go fight the next. Nobody ever wins.

jonylawson said:

Ok. How to stop the Nazi Invasion of Europe? Don't fight World War One, or, if you're going to get involved in it... and win it... DON'T impose such horrific reparation costs that allow a weakened German government to provoke high inflation and a crash in the value of the German currency, don't reduce the Wehrmacht to a 100,000 land army, thus booting out millions of men from emplyment, BUT if you're going to do that then have the guts to back up your threats when the Germans try and acll your bluff. That's how I would have dealt with it... oh, and I may have thrown in a cover of Peach as well...

BoySimon said:

You mean...like...fight them? Wouldn't that be...a war?!

You seem to have misinterpreted my initial post. I'm not anti-war, I believe there are times when war is absolutely necessary. I'm just of the opinion that the fallout of war, in actuality, means that whether declared victor or vanquished the society and psychological impact means that people rarely 'win' wars.

And, in actual fact, the military action required by France to prevent the Nazi re-militarisation of the Rhineland wouldn't properly be called a war, more a gentle slap of a fan to the face of a continental goalkeeper's chest...

... and, you must admit, the cover of Peach would have been a winner, wouldn't it?

Sometimes war is necessary but sometimes here in the States, it can be avoided if we would mind our own business and stay out of other people's business. Whatever goes on overseas is their business and their problem until it affects us.

when you build something with lego, what do you do after?

You knock it down... exactly... and then, when you're trying to get from your bedroom to the bathroom in the middle of the night, you step on the one piece you missed. There is NO greater pain.

BoySimon said:

French...military action...

Okay, that made me laugh 'til I snorted.

Prince is absolutely right on this. While "winning" can be interpreted in many ways (I kill more than you do or I take what you have, etc.) there is still loss in any war. Losses that will never be regained. And, that being said, no one wins, everyone loses.

yxl1 said:

They were written in a universalist, simplistic tone on purpose. Pop songs aren't about specifics and serious ideological debate. Do you have the Beatles or John Lennon anti-war songs? All you need is love...Imagine..etc.

jdcxc said:

there is nothing wrong with simplistic lyrics...if done right. this song is rot.