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Printable Its a disgrace that he's not in the top 100, how the hell can he not be?? if purple rain (rave unto the year 2000 live DVD) and joy in repetition (one night alone...live CD) is not enough to prove that that he should be then what is? Id love to know the list of artists coz i bet theres a good 50% of them that couldnt lick his boots..... "better to be someone for a day, than no one for a lifetime" | |
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i agree about joy in repetition solo on one live disc
but i don't agree about purple rain from rave dvd. he made at least 3 or 4 mistakes during purple rain solo. rave 2000 is the worst ever concert by prince on guitar. he was absolutley horrible except red house blues intro. me fucked up alll the solos on that concert. pay attention and u'll c | |
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chopchop20 said: And a word to all you musical professors who are getting into all the theory and technical aspects of guitar playing -- why are you on the sidelines? If you guys are so good or know so much about guitar playing, how come nobody has ever heard of you?
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iloveannie said: chopchop20 said: And a word to all you musical professors who are getting into all the theory and technical aspects of guitar playing -- why are you on the sidelines? If you guys are so good or know so much about guitar playing, how come nobody has ever heard of you?
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And a word to all you musical professors who are getting into all the theory and technical aspects of guitar playing -- why are you on the sidelines? If you guys are so good or know so much about guitar playing, how come nobody has ever heard of you? Utter nonsense. What, like if you're talented you'll automatically get heard of, right..? I'm not saying I'm better than anybody. Uhhm... probably you though. Tee Hee. | |
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larasavage said: [/b]The problem with lists....[b]
...there is a HUGE difference between what's "best" and what's "most popular". Which then leads to the question...doesn't it really does depend upon who's compiling them list? I know this will sound very snooty, but what criteria are we using when we say "best"? As an example: Prince is MY favourite guitarist of all time. I just like the way he does things. But I'm a guitar tutor myself, and have to admit that in terms of technical ability he's just not up there. Technical ability? We're talking the Satriani's, Vai's of this world. Who frankly I find appalling to listen to. They're the movers and the shakers, in terms of doing things with the guitar that someone like some others couldn't. I would rank Prince very much with Hendrix in terms of ability. Hendrix was not a technican. But he had a feel that is hard to copy, and of course4 - more importantly - he did it before everyone else, making his work timeless and vital. The thing that really bugs me about these lists is that often people hastilly say their favourite artist (Billy Corgan anyone..?! Something tells me there are a lot of Smahing Pumkins fans voting on there, because he's technically vacant AND has little creative prowess either, so he falls down on both counts in my book) Same with Cobain. What?! What did he actually DO that made him so important? I teach 9 year olds that can copy every lick he ever did - it's pretty basic stuff. OK, I've ranted enough - but I wish people would judge on ACTUAL MERIT for a change. Here's my list - argue away... If "creative use of the instrument" floats your boat - ie. the 'innovators' - check out: Vernon Reid Jimi Hendrix Tom Morello Speed and accuracy? (yawn!) Satriani Vai Eddie Van Halen Feel for the instrument without being too hot in other areas? Prince Prince is also a master of something that gets overlooked in guitar music though - FUNK. I keep telling my students to give it a try: it's f**cking hard to get right, and execute with precision. Beautiful use of phrasing? Django Reindhart John Williams Dom Miller. ONE MORE THING I HAVE TO SAY BEFORE I GO (SORRY, BUTI GOT A REAL BEE IN MY BONNET ABOUT THIS!): "Popular" has NOTHING TO DO WITH ABILITY. So when we argue over these lists, can we please consider who's in the pop / rock charts' and why, and then ask ourselves whether they should really go down in rock history as great musicians. Artic f**king Monkeys, I'm looking at you... Now I need to go and lie down. How true... Special mention keeps going to Joy In Repetition on the One Nite Alone Live CD, but the funky rhythm stuff on Peach is jaw-droppingly good, especially after the "turn around" section about half way through. Interesting that you note Vernon Reid with Jimi Hendrix... I've always found with both of them that sometimes they "lose their way" in solos and start playing any old nonsense that doesn't really fit in with the song's mood/feeling. We ain't from Hollywood, so you know it's all good | |
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Interesting that you note Vernon Reid with Jimi Hendrix... I've always found with both of them that sometimes they "lose their way" in solos and start playing any old nonsense that doesn't really fit in with the song's mood/feeling.
That's a fairly common criticism of Vernon's playing. I read quite a few of his interviews. He's seems to be very much aware of his approach to soloing. Most of the stuff I've heard seems very much stream of consciousness. But I really doubt that stuff is just random. He's coming out a completely different mindset than your average guitarist and it comes out in the soloing. He's spoken a bit about Ornette Coleman's harmolodic theory & how he applies it to his soloing. Its jarring in a way and that might be the point. So if you're expecting to hear convention he's probably not the guy to listen to. LOL! I enjoy his material a lot while other folks just don't seem to get it! [Edited 10/17/07 19:36pm] |
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Right on the money, kstrat  Cats like Vernon Reid and the late Sonny Sharrock take more of a free-form approach to soloing, having been influenced by the likes of Ornette Coleman's free jazz approach and Arnold Schonberg's 12-tone intervallic concepts. They seem to think more in "sheets of sound" than the standard pentatonic solos and such that are a staple of rock/blues music.
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Christaro said: Kurt Cobain and Neil Young in the top 5?????
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