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GiGi319

Rebel with or without a cause?

Has anybody ever thought about, what Prince is going to do after he's done sueing numerous web-sites? Let's say, he wins every case. Is he going to be happy?
I don't think this is about his music at all. Since the very beginning Prince seemed to play the forever, misunderstood rebel. He always has to fight somebody on some kind of level. His parents didn't seem to understand him,
WB did him wrong, his numerous girl-friends didn't seem to understand him,
both his marriages didn't work out, the internet is doing him wrong, his fans don't seem to understand him. He drops his friends, band-members, lovers, employees like a bad habit. With the exception of maybe Sheila E. and Graham. (But who knows how much crap they had to take from him over the years.)
Nobody seems to love poor Princey the way he needs to be loved. The whole world seems to be against him.
His art belongs to him only. Nobody has the right to his music but himself.
He has to be in control at all times. He's always out to prove something to somebody.
Even the cocky behavior, that he displays so frequently, seems just another way of self-defense.

Not for one second do I believe that Prince is happy and at peace with himself. Happy people don't fight and sue everyone who comes their way! Happy people don't push people away, that love and respect them.
I think his music is the only way he can deal with his life. His music makes his life bearable. Without his music he would be a very lonely man.
Prince seems to be his biggest enemy!
I hope that one day he can get over, whatever hurt him so deeply, so he could finally stop fighting everyone who tries to get close to him or his music.
He is loved by so many people, but I don't think he ever really felt loved and accepted.
love the one who is Love!
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Reply #1 posted 10/01/07 8:06am

JOYJOY

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Bringing light to the Truth

He is aware though..... Thats why he's off to study the bible, *to sort his soul/heart/head out*
One minute they want peace……

Then do everything to make it go away. rolleyes
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Reply #2 posted 10/01/07 8:15am

Heiress

Well, if a person's looking for something to fight or rebel against...

there's plenty to find in this world.
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Reply #3 posted 10/01/07 9:34am

electrorock

leave the guy alone!
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Reply #4 posted 10/01/07 10:16am

SexyBeautifulO
ne

GiGi319 said:

Has anybody ever thought about, what Prince is going to do after he's done sueing numerous web-sites? Let's say, he wins every case. Is he going to be happy?
I don't think this is about his music at all. Since the very beginning Prince seemed to play the forever, misunderstood rebel. He always has to fight somebody on some kind of level. His parents didn't seem to understand him,
WB did him wrong, his numerous girl-friends didn't seem to understand him,
both his marriages didn't work out, the internet is doing him wrong, his fans don't seem to understand him. He drops his friends, band-members, lovers, employees like a bad habit. With the exception of maybe Sheila E. and Graham. (But who knows how much crap they had to take from him over the years.)
Nobody seems to love poor Princey the way he needs to be loved. The whole world seems to be against him.
His art belongs to him only. Nobody has the right to his music but himself.
He has to be in control at all times. He's always out to prove something to somebody.
Even the cocky behavior, that he displays so frequently, seems just another way of self-defense.

Not for one second do I believe that Prince is happy and at peace with himself. Happy people don't fight and sue everyone who comes their way! Happy people don't push people away, that love and respect them.
I think his music is the only way he can deal with his life. His music makes his life bearable. Without his music he would be a very lonely man.
Prince seems to be his biggest enemy!
I hope that one day he can get over, whatever hurt him so deeply, so he could finally stop fighting everyone who tries to get close to him or his music.
He is loved by so many people, but I don't think he ever really felt loved and accepted.



Interesting!!

I'm still holding on to a very slim glimmer of hope that this whole debacle was perpetrated by some moronic minion while Prince was busy with his London shows, that can easily be publicly humiliated and fired and Prince makes it up to us with a huge year long Anniversary Celebration starting in January!! woot!

However, if that isn't the case, your assessment certainly offers a lot to think about!
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Reply #5 posted 10/01/07 10:19am

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Reply #6 posted 10/01/07 10:56am

kma

GiGi319 said:

Has anybody ever thought about, what Prince is going to do after he's done sueing numerous web-sites? Let's say, he wins every case. Is he going to be happy?
I don't think this is about his music at all. Since the very beginning Prince seemed to play the forever, misunderstood rebel. He always has to fight somebody on some kind of level. His parents didn't seem to understand him,
WB did him wrong, his numerous girl-friends didn't seem to understand him,
both his marriages didn't work out, the internet is doing him wrong, his fans don't seem to understand him. He drops his friends, band-members, lovers, employees like a bad habit. With the exception of maybe Sheila E. and Graham. (But who knows how much crap they had to take from him over the years.)
Nobody seems to love poor Princey the way he needs to be loved. The whole world seems to be against him.
His art belongs to him only. Nobody has the right to his music but himself.
He has to be in control at all times. He's always out to prove something to somebody.
Even the cocky behavior, that he displays so frequently, seems just another way of self-defense.

Not for one second do I believe that Prince is happy and at peace with himself. Happy people don't fight and sue everyone who comes their way! Happy people don't push people away, that love and respect them.
I think his music is the only way he can deal with his life. His music makes his life bearable. Without his music he would be a very lonely man.
Prince seems to be his biggest enemy!
I hope that one day he can get over, whatever hurt him so deeply, so he could finally stop fighting everyone who tries to get close to him or his music.
He is loved by so many people, but I don't think he ever really felt loved and accepted.


yes nod
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Reply #7 posted 10/01/07 1:13pm

motown1958

You hit the nail on the head!
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Reply #8 posted 10/01/07 1:53pm

Tame

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Don't say that there isn't a beautiful girl in the world that would love him like a bullet shield...I'd be a shield for food and bored. cool
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #9 posted 10/01/07 3:18pm

mzflash

Tame said:

Don't say that there isn't a beautiful girl in the world that would love him like a bullet shield...I'd be a shield for food and bored. cool


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Reply #10 posted 10/01/07 5:38pm

wlcm2thdwn

I think you may be right. smile
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Reply #11 posted 10/01/07 6:55pm

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Reply #12 posted 10/01/07 11:06pm

lillybleu

Wow very profound.... couch sounds like you have some psychology background or if at best have read some books in that field at least, hey I wouldn't mind sittin on your couch for a session, I got some issues to fit
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Reply #13 posted 10/01/07 11:14pm

GoldiLocks

headlp batman eye flyingpig bringiton
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Reply #14 posted 10/02/07 3:29am

prettymansson

lillybleu said:

Wow very profound.... couch sounds like you have some psychology background or if at best have read some books in that field at least, hey I wouldn't mind sittin on your couch for a session, I got some issues to fit

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
dont we all..
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Reply #15 posted 10/02/07 4:08am

Anji

GiGi319 said:

Has anybody ever thought about, what Prince is going to do after he's done sueing numerous web-sites? Let's say, he wins every case. Is he going to be happy?
I don't think this is about his music at all. Since the very beginning Prince seemed to play the forever, misunderstood rebel. He always has to fight somebody on some kind of level. His parents didn't seem to understand him,
WB did him wrong, his numerous girl-friends didn't seem to understand him,
both his marriages didn't work out, the internet is doing him wrong, his fans don't seem to understand him. He drops his friends, band-members, lovers, employees like a bad habit. With the exception of maybe Sheila E. and Graham. (But who knows how much crap they had to take from him over the years.)
Nobody seems to love poor Princey the way he needs to be loved. The whole world seems to be against him.
His art belongs to him only. Nobody has the right to his music but himself.
He has to be in control at all times. He's always out to prove something to somebody.
Even the cocky behavior, that he displays so frequently, seems just another way of self-defense.

Not for one second do I believe that Prince is happy and at peace with himself. Happy people don't fight and sue everyone who comes their way! Happy people don't push people away, that love and respect them.
I think his music is the only way he can deal with his life. His music makes his life bearable. Without his music he would be a very lonely man.
Prince seems to be his biggest enemy!
I hope that one day he can get over, whatever hurt him so deeply, so he could finally stop fighting everyone who tries to get close to him or his music.
He is loved by so many people, but I don't think he ever really felt loved and accepted.


What you describe can be explained in psychological terms. Prince may have an underlying negative core belief that he holds about himself such as, "I'm unlovable", or something to that effect. This may have developed from his early experiences irrespective of whether it was/is 'the truth' e.g., his parents/others may indeed have loved him, however, it was his interpretation of those experiences as a boy that counts. If, as an adult, he still holds onto this negative belief at an unconscious level, that he is unlovable, then it's likely that on one level he'll sabotage his relationships with himself, others and the world, in order to confirm this belief (self-confirmatory belief). Yes, this can lead to a pattern of self-destructive behaviour, as we have seen.

On another level, this lack of internal validation sets into motion an endless desire to seek external validation (he does seem to crave his celebrity status). However, this is not sustainable in disconfirming his negative belief about himself, so he will likely go from one external validator (a fine woman, a hit record, playing to adoring crowds, for example) to the next (another fine woman, another hit record, playing to yet more adoring crowds). But ultimately this is a never ending and unsatisfying cycle (although it could be argued that an endless ride with fine women does have its benefits). What you are left with remains the negative underlying belief, "I'm unlovable", and untimately, a feeling of being very alone. His music, or rather his relationship with music (an element within his control), most likely provides him with a sense of unconditional positive regard. And perhaps not surprisingly, his music is the only means through which he has developed a relationship that has lasted.
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Reply #16 posted 10/02/07 5:12am

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Very interesting ! I subscribe to most that is said, but let's not forget the religious factor.

It is not only music that gives Prince the unconditional love he craves for but also his god Jehova. The only thing his god wants from him is prayer and devotion. You could consider that as almost unconditional.

I would have hoped that his membership of a religious brotherhood would reinforce his self-image and self worth, because it would enable him to identify with the "good men" who have welcomed him into their group without demanding too much from him on an emotional level.

In earlier interviews he has hinted about a fragmented identity (Oprah interview : "there's two of us in me, we don't know the sex of the other one yet")
That made me wonder if he suffers from multiple personality disorder ? It would certainly explain the quirky behaviour and the controversy surrounding him.
[Edited 10/2/07 5:13am]
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Reply #17 posted 10/02/07 6:17am

GiGi319

Anji said:



What you describe can be explained in psychological terms. Prince may have an underlying negative core belief that he holds about himself such as, "I'm unlovable", or something to that effect. This may have developed from his early experiences irrespective of whether it was/is 'the truth' e.g., his parents/others may indeed have loved him, however, it was his interpretation of those experiences as a boy that counts. If, as an adult, he still holds onto this negative belief at an unconscious level, that he is unlovable, then it's likely that on one level he'll sabotage his relationships with himself, others and the world, in order to confirm this belief (self-confirmatory belief). Yes, this can lead to a pattern of self-destructive behaviour, as we have seen.

On another level, this lack of internal validation sets into motion an endless desire to seek external validation (he does seem to crave his celebrity status). However, this is not sustainable in disconfirming his negative belief about himself, so he will likely go from one external validator (a fine woman, a hit record, playing to adoring crowds, for example) to the next (another fine woman, another hit record, playing to yet more adoring crowds). But ultimately this is a never ending and unsatisfying cycle (although it could be argued that an endless ride with fine women does have its benefits). What you are left with remains the negative underlying belief, "I'm unlovable", and untimately, a feeling of being very alone. His music, or rather his relationship with music (an element within his control), most likely provides him with a sense of unconditional positive regard. And perhaps not surprisingly, his music is the only means through which he has developed a relationship that has lasted.

You're right Anji, I agree with everything you've stated here!
His music is the only lasting relationship in his life. Therefore he needs to be able to be in total control over his music. Music is his way of relating, and communicating with people. In his music he is able to pour his heart out. Through his music he is able to express his needs, without the fear of being rejected. With his music he is able to attract everything he graves: Attention, fame, money, and the most beautiful young women.(Let's face it: He wouldn't be able to get all these women, if he wasn't rich and famous. The average guy with an average 9-5 job is not able to pick and choose like that! )
The problem is, fame and fortune is able to attract eye-candy, but unable to attract the woman that really loves Prince, the person. There is a man,the public doesn't know and who is hiding behind the music. A man who seems very hurt, very vulnerable, sensitive and insecure.
I hope Prince finds a way to sort out some deep-rooted issues.(The bible is a good start)
If he can't find a way to truely love himself (the person behind the music), he will never feel loved by any woman (no matter how young and beautiful!), or anybody else!
love the one who is Love!
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Reply #18 posted 10/02/07 9:41am

ReginaCarman

i would never judge someone based on what some other person said. Instead i would go by what Prince says about himself, when he wants to share it.
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Reply #19 posted 10/02/07 10:16am

Anji

LittleSister said:

Very interesting ! I subscribe to most that is said, but let's not forget the religious factor.

It is not only music that gives Prince the unconditional love he craves for but also his god Jehova. The only thing his god wants from him is prayer and devotion. You could consider that as almost unconditional.

I would have hoped that his membership of a religious brotherhood would reinforce his self-image and self worth, because it would enable him to identify with the "good men" who have welcomed him into their group without demanding too much from him on an emotional level.

In earlier interviews he has hinted about a fragmented identity (Oprah interview : "there's two of us in me, we don't know the sex of the other one yet")
That made me wonder if he suffers from multiple personality disorder ? It would certainly explain the quirky behaviour and the controversy surrounding him.
[Edited 10/2/07 5:13am]


The religious dimension in Prince's world is a fascinating one and one which requires attention as it has evolved in many intricate ways. In terms of Prince's relationship with God, I attempted to look at that in terms of his concept of self-worth through this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/105/228934?&pg=1

It's a complicated issue, and as you can see, we didn't get very far but I would have liked to explore it more. Perhaps, we can do so here.
[Edited 10/2/07 10:17am]
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Reply #20 posted 10/02/07 10:27am

Anji

GiGi319 said:

Music is his way of relating, and communicating with people. In his music he is able to pour his heart out. Through his music he is able to express his needs, without the fear of being rejected.
I think your last sentence above is an extremely important one in Prince's psychological make-up. Someone who has not been socialised on an emotional and relational level during their youth may often find it difficult to, in a sense, negotiate with others on issues, relationships, different ways of being etc. Thus, things are often seen as or constructed as black or white, this or that, now or then, my way or the highway. There is rarely any middle ground or agreeing to disagree. It reminds me of the analogy I often think of when viewing Prince, which is that of the lone wolf in the wilderness. It's his survival strategy and has been for many, many years. Afterall, let's not forget, this strategy itself has brought him enormous success on many levels, as you go onto explain. Thus, one might think, why change?
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Reply #21 posted 10/02/07 11:09am

OldJoke

You guys are making me cry! It's very insightful into his character but kind of painful to read!
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Reply #22 posted 10/02/07 11:28am

GiGi319

ReginaCarman said:

i would never judge someone based on what some other person said. Instead i would go by what Prince says about himself, when he wants to share it.

So when you say ;"Prince is loving and caring" ( like you've stated in so many of your posts), you don't judge Prince? Has he shared that with you personally?
Do you know for a fact, that Prince is loving and caring or do you want him to be loving and caring? Unless you know Prince on a personal level, your statement is an assumption and therefore judgemental as well!
To judge means by definition:forming an opinion by descerning and comparing.

It is very sweet of you, that you think so highly of Prince and by no means am I trying to bash your idol here. Like most of his fans, I wish nothing but the best for him. But I refuse to put Prince on a pedestal and view him as this perfect entity, that can do no wrong. Prince has his share of issues and shortcomings, just like the rest of us. The only difference between you and me, and Prince: He chose a profession and a way of life that put him in the public eye.
love the one who is Love!
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Reply #23 posted 10/02/07 11:35am

GiGi319

love the one who is Love!
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Reply #24 posted 10/02/07 11:37am

GiGi319

OldJoke said:

You guys are making me cry! It's very insightful into his character but kind of painful to read!

Sorry!
I never meant to cause you any sorrow,
I never meant to cause you any pain,
I only want to see you laughing in the purple rain biggrin
love the one who is Love!
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Reply #25 posted 10/02/07 11:44am

OldJoke

GiGi319 said:

OldJoke said:

You guys are making me cry! It's very insightful into his character but kind of painful to read!

Sorry!
I never meant to cause you any sorrow,
I never meant to cause you any pain,
I only want to see you laughing in the purple rain biggrin



Thanks for the lol

I love you almost as much as Prince! now...

j/k
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Reply #26 posted 10/02/07 11:50am

GiGi319

OldJoke said:




Thanks for the lol

I love you almost as much as Prince! now...

j/k


I love you too, whoever you are!
hug
love the one who is Love!
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Reply #27 posted 10/02/07 3:14pm

herb4

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Agree with most of what you wrote, OP. I'm not sure what the hell he's doing anymore, and Lord know he has nothing much left to prove to anyone. You'd think he'd lighten up more, and I suppose, to some extent, he has over the years, It's strange. The guy will give away (a pretty weak) album, and then threaten to sue a website that offers people the chance to view the Super Bowl performance for free.

I think at this stage of his life, his first and foremost concern is with being Prince - and all that goes with it - and, unfortunately a bit less about the music. He's beginning to bore me to some degree.
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Reply #28 posted 10/02/07 3:20pm

Illustrator

OldJoke said:

You guys are making me cry! It's very insightful into his character but kind of painful to read!

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Reply #29 posted 10/02/07 3:25pm

OldJoke

Illustrator said:

OldJoke said:

You guys are making me cry! It's very insightful into his character but kind of painful to read!




What a wuss this rebel guy is...
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