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Thread started 09/16/07 7:17am

Bishop31

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Prince YouTube dispute on PerezHilton.com

http://perezhilton.com/?p=5590#respond

Warning..These comments may shock U eek

It really lets me know what the general public feels about Prince. As angry as I am about this mess...I can't believe some of the nonsense Im reading on here about him. sad
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Reply #1 posted 09/16/07 7:24am

Imago

We're seeing the end times my friends.

the end times.
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Reply #2 posted 09/16/07 7:28am

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^^I hope not! I'm thinking that maybe the people making these comments are just teenage girls that know nothing about Prince. But even that scares me because it shows me he has lost ALL APPEAL 2 the young audience. Once that happens...the end is near.... commercially speaking. neutral
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Reply #3 posted 09/16/07 7:30am

Imago

Bishop31 said:

^^I hope not! I'm thinking that maybe the people making these comments are just teenage girls that know nothing about Prince. But even that scares me because it shows me he has lost ALL APPEAL 2 the young audience. Once that happens...the end is near.... commercially speaking. neutral


You know at this point, I don't think that's a bad thing.


What Prince might need is a string of commercial disasters. Starving artist often produce the best work, with more humility.
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Reply #4 posted 09/16/07 7:33am

gemini13

Those comments don't shock me. I've been listening to the same from friends and family for decades. lol
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Reply #5 posted 09/16/07 7:35am

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Imago said:

Bishop31 said:

^^I hope not! I'm thinking that maybe the people making these comments are just teenage girls that know nothing about Prince. But even that scares me because it shows me he has lost ALL APPEAL 2 the young audience. Once that happens...the end is near.... commercially speaking. neutral


You know at this point, I don't think that's a bad thing.


What Prince might need is a string of commercial disasters. Starving artist often produce the best work, with more humility.


I'm feeling that too. But what if it's not Prince doing this but someone else that wants him to be a starving artist? hmmm
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Reply #6 posted 09/16/07 7:38am

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Imago said:

Bishop31 said:

^^I hope not! I'm thinking that maybe the people making these comments are just teenage girls that know nothing about Prince. But even that scares me because it shows me he has lost ALL APPEAL 2 the young audience. Once that happens...the end is near.... commercially speaking. neutral


What Prince might need is a string of commercial disasters. Starving artist often produce the best work, with more humility.


Well since he left WB he hasn't exactly had "Pop Star" like numbers. He damn near had 2 shove the Musicology Album down the throats of whoever saw the Tour 2 make push the Album sales up. So he should be like starving like a Hostage by now!! lol
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Reply #7 posted 09/16/07 8:17am

Tame

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It's the end of the world as we know it....Hallelujia.
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #8 posted 09/16/07 8:24am

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The comments are split down the middle.....nothing surprising there.
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Reply #9 posted 09/16/07 8:24am

Imago

Tame said:

It's the end of the world as we know it....Hallelujia.




Sometimes, and I'm being sincere here, I wish you would log into this site completely free of the influence of any drugs or alcohol.
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Reply #10 posted 09/16/07 9:17am

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I couldn't get the link to fully load so I didn't see their comments. Whatever they were though, they wouldn't surpise me. Hell, just look at the dull bullshit that they think is great. I don't want them to like Prince and I want them to let Prince know it. Once Prince finally realizes that, maybe he'll stop putting a shit hop influenced song on his albums here and there and stop doing sellout things like performing with Beyonce and appearing on shows like "American Idol". In other words, let the little kiddies play with their toys that they call musical instruments and let the grown folks have nothing but funk/rock with none of the rattlers and pacifiers mixed inbetween it.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #11 posted 09/16/07 9:20am

happyhappy

youtube is more popular than prince right now (so people want to back up youtube). i think people think that all of youtube is getting shut down and it's the end of the world. just poor communication, he only wants his stuff gone- - no one elses.



p.s. one of the greatest compromises to this is a world tour. A lot of us are going through concert withdraw! razz
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Reply #12 posted 09/16/07 9:33am

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As a 16 year old, let me break it down to you. I will explain this in its simplest form with no analyzing and statistics to bore you. KIDS ARE STUPID. you may get your gems every now and then, but the masses are dumb, kay? I guess that applies to most kinds of populations, though.
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Reply #13 posted 09/16/07 9:36am

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Hmmmm. Gritty. This is when hes at his best.
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Reply #14 posted 09/16/07 9:45am

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How can a non-musician discuss the future of music from anything other than a consumer point of view???

These people who are defending Youtube need to take a step back and look at the facts. Youtube is making money off of artist's hard work!

It's easy to defend Youtube because these people are getting something cool for free. Then when you want to take it away they get all pissy.

When I used to travel to colleges and perform music, sometimes the only money I would make would be from CD sales. I would literally NEED that money to find a hotel or buy gas to get to the next town. I was really living show to show. You cannot understand how PISSED I would get when some dumb drunk college student would be falling over at the merch table and say, "I love your music! I'll download your stuff online or just burn it from a friend. I'm a poor college student."

Sure, I was definitely flattered they liked my music and I completely understood that burning my CDs would certainly get the word out. But I felt JIPPED. I worked really hard to entertain those spoiled brats and I should have been compensated. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, would piss me off more than the whiny phrase "POOR COLLEGE STUDENT

People also used I'm a POOR COLLEGE STUDENT when defending how they would use Napster in their dorms as if downloading music was no more important then ripping off toilet paper in the dorm bathroom when they took a dump.

Sorry, I am really venting right now, but I totally defend Prince in this. People steal and steal and get things for free for so long and then when you finally take a stand (radical man) they resist as if they were entitled to it all along.

Poor college student, my ass! In 4 years you will still be just as dumb and drunk as you are now, but you will have a good 6-figure job. But the musicians that WORK JUST AS HARD AT THEIR CRAFT AS YOU DO AT YOURS will still be out there peddling CDs to a bunch of bratty frats kids.
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Reply #15 posted 09/16/07 10:08am

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berniejobs said:

How can a non-musician discuss the future of music from anything other than a consumer point of view???


In any damn way we feel like!! Without our "consumer point of view" there isn't a future of music!!

Prince can record music from now 'til Michael Jackson turns back Black but if none of US with our "consumer point of view" purchase it, go see him perform it in concert, talk about it for good or bad, nor request it on the radio, it'll be nothing more than "Vault" filler!

So instead of Prince and his camp being all pissy because some "poor college student" might watch his shit on youtube, he needs to concerned with doing something to keep the rest of US with our "consumer point of view" from turning our backs on his ass for good!
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Reply #16 posted 09/16/07 10:12am

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See, that is my point. I don't know why you would "turn your back on his ass" just because he is standing up for his rights to distribute his music/videos/creations as he chooses. He is the artist afterall. If other artists want to give out their creations for free, then so be it! Prince is the creator of his art, so he should decide it's fate.

But you shouldn't be mad at him for it or boycott him.

You complaining actually makes this whole argument about YOU and not him. It makes you sound like a spoiled brat who has been driving daddy's car for years and then when daddy takes it away you get all pissy. IT WAS DADDY'S CAR TO BEGIN WITH!!
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Reply #17 posted 09/16/07 10:14am

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berniejobs said:

How can a non-musician discuss the future of music from anything other than a consumer point of view???

These people who are defending Youtube need to take a step back and look at the facts. Youtube is making money off of artist's hard work!

It's easy to defend Youtube because these people are getting something cool for free. Then when you want to take it away they get all pissy.

When I used to travel to colleges and perform music, sometimes the only money I would make would be from CD sales. I would literally NEED that money to find a hotel or buy gas to get to the next town. I was really living show to show. You cannot understand how PISSED I would get when some dumb drunk college student would be falling over at the merch table and say, "I love your music! I'll download your stuff online or just burn it from a friend. I'm a poor college student."

Sure, I was definitely flattered they liked my music and I completely understood that burning my CDs would certainly get the word out. But I felt JIPPED. I worked really hard to entertain those spoiled brats and I should have been compensated. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, would piss me off more than the whiny phrase "POOR COLLEGE STUDENT

People also used I'm a POOR COLLEGE STUDENT when defending how they would use Napster in their dorms as if downloading music was no more important then ripping off toilet paper in the dorm bathroom when they took a dump.

Sorry, I am really venting right now, but I totally defend Prince in this. People steal and steal and get things for free for so long and then when you finally take a stand (radical man) they resist as if they were entitled to it all along.

Poor college student, my ass! In 4 years you will still be just as dumb and drunk as you are now, but you will have a good 6-figure job. But the musicians that WORK JUST AS HARD AT THEIR CRAFT AS YOU DO AT YOURS will still be out there peddling CDs to a bunch of bratty frats kids.


Great Post! I agree with U. The thing I am realizing now is that most kids these days don't even have a clue about good music or even the value of Music itself. I remember when I couldn't wait 2 go 2 the RECORD STORE 2 get the new Prince or MJ album. It was like an event 4 me. Now these kids just download it & throw it on there ipod & thats there experience. YouTube has done nothing but make Music even more of a Parody. I mean do u see some of the crap these no talent having fools put on there??!

I'm with Prince on this stand. It just seems that the same kids who are screaming "Leave Britney Alone!!.." are the same ones trying 2 throw Prince under the Bus 4 standing 4 something he believes in. None of these current Musicians they like could even sit on the same Toilet as Prince. lol
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Reply #19 posted 09/16/07 10:34am

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berniejobs said:

See, that is my point. I don't know why you would "turn your back on his ass" just because he is standing up for his rights to distribute his music/videos/creations as he chooses. He is the artist afterall. If other artists want to give out their creations for free, then so be it! Prince is the creator of his art, so he should decide it's fate.

But you shouldn't be mad at him for it or boycott him.

You complaining actually makes this whole argument about YOU and not him. It makes you sound like a spoiled brat who has been driving daddy's car for years and then when daddy takes it away you get all pissy. IT WAS DADDY'S CAR TO BEGIN WITH!!
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Really? Well, if I was the one paying for Daddy's car note, insurance, tags, registration, gas, tune-ups, oil changes, etc. while I was driving it then one day he just decided to listen to his new wife and take the car back because she doesn't have one, I'd be ready to turn my back on his ass too!!

On the real though, yes it's his music and he can do whatever he chooses but since he doesn't use his website for anything but decoration, I won't be able to support him anyway, which I believe he or somebody in his camp wants and is gonna get!
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Reply #20 posted 09/16/07 10:36am

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Haha i just noticed someone who left a comment was named Skipper lol
"The truth is that we don't even know what the world will be like until we shake things up a little bit" prince
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Reply #21 posted 09/16/07 10:39am

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berniejobs said:

How can a non-musician discuss the future of music from anything other than a consumer point of view???

These people who are defending Youtube need to take a step back and look at the facts. Youtube is making money off of artist's hard work!

It's easy to defend Youtube because these people are getting something cool for free. Then when you want to take it away they get all pissy.

When I used to travel to colleges and perform music, sometimes the only money I would make would be from CD sales. I would literally NEED that money to find a hotel or buy gas to get to the next town. I was really living show to show. You cannot understand how PISSED I would get when some dumb drunk college student would be falling over at the merch table and say, "I love your music! I'll download your stuff online or just burn it from a friend. I'm a poor college student."

Sure, I was definitely flattered they liked my music and I completely understood that burning my CDs would certainly get the word out. But I felt JIPPED. I worked really hard to entertain those spoiled brats and I should have been compensated. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, would piss me off more than the whiny phrase "POOR COLLEGE STUDENT

People also used I'm a POOR COLLEGE STUDENT when defending how they would use Napster in their dorms as if downloading music was no more important then ripping off toilet paper in the dorm bathroom when they took a dump.

Sorry, I am really venting right now, but I totally defend Prince in this. People steal and steal and get things for free for so long and then when you finally take a stand (radical man) they resist as if they were entitled to it all along.

Poor college student, my ass! In 4 years you will still be just as dumb and drunk as you are now, but you will have a good 6-figure job. But the musicians that WORK JUST AS HARD AT THEIR CRAFT AS YOU DO AT YOURS will still be out there peddling CDs to a bunch of bratty frats kids.



Good post. Ionno about no 6 figures but still dumb and drunk is another story.
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Reply #22 posted 09/16/07 10:42am

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ToraToraDreams said:

As a 16 year old, let me break it down to you. I will explain this in its simplest form with no analyzing and statistics to bore you. KIDS ARE STUPID. you may get your gems every now and then, but the masses are dumb, kay? I guess that applies to most kinds of populations, though.


Thank you. Please tell the ad execs and the madison ave. crew.
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Reply #23 posted 09/16/07 10:56am

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I like this comment the best:

has he aged at all in the past 20 years? hes an alien. lol
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Reply #24 posted 09/16/07 11:26am

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^^I hope not! I'm thinking that maybe the people making these comments are just teenage girls that know nothing about Prince. But even that scares me because it shows me he has lost ALL APPEAL 2 the young audience. Once that happens...the end is near.... commercially speaking. neutral

The young audience may buy a lot of music bit they have HORRID taste. Not having a lot of them for fans may be a good sign, it means his music is STILL good quality biggrin
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Reply #25 posted 09/16/07 11:33am

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Bishop31 said:

^^I hope not! I'm thinking that maybe the people making these comments are just teenage girls that know nothing about Prince. But even that scares me because it shows me he has lost ALL APPEAL 2 the young audience. Once that happens...the end is near.... commercially speaking. neutral

The young audience may buy a lot of music bit they have HORRID taste. Not having a lot of them for fans may be a good sign, it means his music is STILL good quality biggrin



Not necessarily. We need to listen to Prince music and see his past performances to realize how bad the state of music is right now.
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Reply #26 posted 09/16/07 11:38am

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If Prince wants total control of his music and image, and doesn't want his footage put on youtube, he needs to add it to his own site so fans can see his videos and concert footage anytime they like. He has filmed so many segments that has not been released. His website could be an outlet for his work.(like Madonna's site-all videos and performances are there, and her fans know where to go)
"POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna

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Reply #27 posted 09/16/07 11:59am

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totaldiva said:

If Prince wants total control of his music and image, and doesn't want his footage put on youtube, he needs to add it to his own site so fans can see his videos and concert footage anytime they like. He has filmed so many segments that has not been released. His website could be an outlet for his work.(like Madonna's site-all videos and performances are there, and her fans know where to go)


Great point. Prince has 2 realize that the young people want total access 2 Music at anytime on the Web. I'm not sure why he just doesn't provide it on his own site. At least there he can filter the Videos he wants the Public 2 see.
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Bishop31 said:

I'm not sure why he just doesn't provide it on his own site. At least there he can filter the Videos he wants the Public 2 see.


Well, it's his business if he puts it on his website or hands over the rights to Youtube. But he should be allowed to make that decision for himself.

And so what if he chooses to not put any music on the internet at all?

I mean, what did people do before the internet? Not everything HAS to be available online.

Just like with cell phones, people don't know to function withouth the internet.
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Reply #29 posted 09/16/07 12:27pm

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Okay, I've discussed this topic with a few friends. Also mentioning the fact that Howard Stern says he'd like to sue Youtube for making his Howard TV clips available.

(Howard has an On Demand subscription service, so if people just watch them on Youtube for free, then they won't purchase the subscription. And if no one is purchasing the subscription, then there would be no budget or incentive to create new Howard TV episodes, thus effectively ending Howard TV. It has nothing to do with Howard being greedy or money-hungry, as some people would argue.)

Most of my friends that I mention this to simply say that Prince or Howard are just "being dicks" and should lighten up. Instead of going through the whole song and dance with my friends, explaining the reasons, I usually just change the subject.

But I think if Prince were to just explain his reasons for his actions, clear and consisely, then more of the public would be enlightened and would understand better.

Then, if my friends say Prince is just "being a dick", I could send them a link to a video of Prince explaining in plain english why Youtube is in the wrong, so that I don't have to explain it. I'm not so concise.
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