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Reply #30 posted 09/10/07 12:04pm

wizard

Most of those critics who mentions Purple Rain, Around the World In A Day, and Parade as Prince hey day are those who stopped listening to Prince a long time ago and never kept up with the new releases.

The Man does not try to do the same things twice, even when we try to compare his songs...

Stop living in the past and appreciate what's in the NOW.

The Next Album will be different too... I figured that a long time ago. Thus, I like the unpredictability of his releases... That's the stuff a Genius is made of...

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Reply #31 posted 09/10/07 1:01pm

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wizard said:

Most of those critics who mentions Purple Rain, Around the World In A Day, and Parade as Prince hey day are those who stopped listening to Prince a long time ago and never kept up with the new releases.


You're right, but I've got just about everything after '88, and in my view (such as it is), there are no albums made since then that match 1999, Purple Rain, Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy. But there are plenty of songs made since '89 that can be mentioned in the class as many of Prince's signature 80's songs, and there are a few albums that are as good or better than some of his 80's albums. And that's because, as you say, Prince always strives for change.
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Reply #32 posted 09/10/07 1:41pm

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Man if I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone on this forum say something about Prince's production sounding plastic lol lol .
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Reply #33 posted 09/10/07 1:50pm

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Genius never ends... It just goes unappreciated over time from the status quo.
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Reply #34 posted 09/10/07 1:53pm

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Halcyon days are all very well in retroview but if u check the press for Parade, many thought it sucked. How many praised ARTWIAD? Not many. Prince found himself in the middle but outside of the burgeoning 'canonisation' of rock and roll with the lists being drawn up of classic albums and the door being built on that to one day be closed to anything new (seen anything new in those lists since, maybe Radiohead?). Because Prince was THERE defying gravity at the time, the work of the eighties has since been represented as 'Wow. Everyone was so amazed and following his every move'
As if. I was and you were but those who write about this golden period very often weren't. So I don't really believe in Halcyon days and golden periods. He rocks therefore he is. And yeah, I'm afraid my 'peak period' for Prince has shifted to the nineties. I'm not the only one.


Hmmm I don't know for sure if i'd qualify any period as a peak period because that would mean that I think a lot of his other stuff is crap and I don't because I can put it and just listen and enjoy but I will agree with you that I do really like some of the 90s work that others may think is bad/not up to par.

I love the Symbol album, The Gold Experience and Chaos and Disorder. I like Emancipation (even with so many tracks I can always find some I like to hear), Come and Diamonds and Pearls.

Thats my overview of the 90s and as for the rest of it I always can find some stuff that I like on each album.
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Reply #35 posted 09/10/07 2:08pm

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namepeace said:

excessex said:

Halcyon days are all very well in retroview but if u check the press for Parade, many thought it sucked. How many praised ARTWIAD? Not many. Prince found himself in the middle but outside of the burgeoning 'canonisation' of rock and roll with the lists being drawn up of classic albums and the door being built on that to one day be closed to anything new (seen anything new in those lists since, maybe Radiohead?).

Because Prince was THERE defying gravity at the time, the work of the eighties has since been represented as 'Wow. Everyone was so amazed and following his every move' As if. I was and you were but those who write about this golden period very often weren't. So I don't really believe in Halcyon days and golden periods. He rocks therefore he is. And yeah, I'm afraid my 'peak period' for Prince has shifted to the nineties. I'm not the only one.


Good points. I still chuckle when I hear critics casually refer to the genius of Parade because I know many of those same critics were deriding him for it. It was if the "critical mass" of music writers in the 80's (and 90's) were like Homer Simpson in that episode where another artist was performing a song, and he was yelling, "Purple Rain!" They wanted Prince to play and be Purple Rain all the time. They couldn't stand it when he went psychodelic, or eurofunk, or NewPowerSoul on'em in the 80's. Now, with contemporary artists of all stripes being "informed" by much of that overlooked work, the re-evaluation begins by many saying that they always loved those albums.

I'm fond of saying that Purple Rain made me a Prince fan, but ATWIAD made me a Prince fan for life. Because with the latter album, he proved that he could make exciting, compelling work that didn't (really) resemble the stuff that immediately preceded it. I, like you, was there, proudly loving Prince's music even when a lot of folks around me were not. Now,a lot of people want to act like Prince fans.

As for the 90's, well, he had many good moments, but his struggles to annex hip-hop into his musical domain, and with his label, marred them somewhat. These are two of the reasons why the 80's are better regarded than the 90's. But the 90's had many, many moments of excitement and hopefully his quality 90's work will receive the same "re-evaluation" as that of his overlooked 80's work.

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No matter how you look at it, this is pretty damn smart. Shaking the virtual hands of namepeace and excessex.

There is an inordinate amount of revisionism going on here.

As someone who was breathing during the 80s, I can assure you that it was never at all that straightforward. If anything he was probably more hated (read: misunderstood) back then, as he was more popular (in terms of record sales).

Someone in AMG (All Music Guide) said that "Parade" was "Kiss" surrounded with some dreary neo-psychedelic filler, or some such nonsense.

It was only years later that they changed that to a far more positive review.

Now it's what he should obviously be gauged by? Where the hell were these people twenty years ago?

Well, unfortunately that’s the way art works, and I’ve said just as many or more stupid things myself. If it was all so obvious, we probably wouldn't buy half the crap we do.

But time is the great bias laxative. And death, when it can be achieved (lol), skips one ahead on the fairness meter by at least 2 or 3 decades.

But as impossible as it may be, I want to be as fair with people as I can while they are sill breathing.

Not because it helps them, but because it means I get to enjoy more great art while I’m breathing. wink

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Reply #36 posted 09/10/07 3:23pm

excessex

Yeah. I'm kind of doing that right now myself having realised that I'd inadvertently absorbed some of the lame notices that much of the period gets to this day. You check press on Prince right now and it stops right there when things get 'challenging' but, my god, the amount of work he put out while he was, quote, 'haemorraging money', is astonishingly adventurous and at one hell of a rate. So given that props have now been awarded for the cracking 80's period, it's time to make ourselves at home in the nineties stuff. It rocks, snaps, crackles and pops.
The NPGMC period may well get it's day first though...

namepeace said:

hopefully his quality 90's work will receive the same "re-evaluation" as that of his overlooked 80's work.

twocents

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Reply #37 posted 09/10/07 3:31pm

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Brendan said:

Prince's creativity (or musical genius) can be graphed on a spreadsheet just like any other person.

And just like any other person, it'll be filled with highs and lows, and eventually an artistic peak can be derived.

I've identified that peak as 1980-88, but this guy still has spikes that move me like few others. He just hasn't beaten this particular peak of uniformity yet, and probably never will.

But how ill-advised would I be if I could only listen to people who were certifiably within their artistic peak?

Individual great songs and albums sound just as great, they just don't happen as consistently as before, else there would be a new higher period to graph (which might be pretty unreasonable to expect given that between '80 and '88 he might be greater than any musician in the western world).

But some have the personality where they only want to truly put in the most effort if they can be assured that it was created within this intellectual/text book prime.

Well, if that's true, I think that's the period to go for.

But with someone like Prince (an extremely rare musician who is more Ellington than Wonder) that would be rejecting a hell of a lot of great art just because it doesn't fall within this rather astonishing period.

Not to mention it will miss other periods of great height, just because they don't happen to soar as long.

And, besides, at least for me, hearing good stuff, or bad stuff, or mediocre stuff makes the great stuff that much grander.

Only listening to great stuff makes me very spoiled to hear nothing but near perfection from the period that can be identified as the greatest. And I don't want to become that person who slags off "Ran" because it doesn't fall into Akira Kurosawa's fertile 1950s or Woody Allen's "Match Point" because it wasn't created in his astonishing 70s or 80s.

There's greatness to be found everywhere, but only one period that will graph higher than any other.


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Reply #38 posted 09/10/07 3:41pm

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Rockability said:

Graffiti Bridge and ka-plunk. He has been a one-hit wonder since and never will be the same.


Since Graffiti Bridge, the following songs have been huge hits:

Diamonds & Pearls
Gett Off
Cream
7
The Most Beautiful Girl In The World

With these songs being minor hits in their own right:

Sexy MF
The Greatest Romance Ever Sold
Call My Name (Grammy)
Black Sweat
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Reply #39 posted 09/10/07 3:54pm

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Genres aside, to me there are 2 kinds of musical acts.

The first (most common) act is one that has success with a certain "sound" and rehashes that same sound over and over. Not saying they have guaranteed hits, but they follow a certain formula and don't stray far from it.

The second act (such as Prince) is one who really tries new things, sink-or-swim, and revisits old sounds without rehashing them to death.

Prince could have easily put out Purple Rain Part II. In fact, he could've released the same songs that are on ATWIAD with just a rock vibe. That's what people wanted at the time, and when he didn't deliver many "fans" bailed. I'm glad he did it his way.

Do I miss the Prince of the 80s? Yes, but I also miss the fierce and pissed-off Prince of the mid-90s just as much. I want to see that kind of energy channeled into his music again.
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Reply #40 posted 09/10/07 3:58pm

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Se7en said:

Genres aside, to me there are 2 kinds of musical acts.

The first (most common) act is one that has success with a certain "sound" and rehashes that same sound over and over. Not saying they have guaranteed hits, but they follow a certain formula and don't stray far from it.

The second act (such as Prince) is one who really tries new things, sink-or-swim, and revisits old sounds without rehashing them to death.

Prince could have easily put out Purple Rain Part II. In fact, he could've released the same songs that are on ATWIAD with just a rock vibe. That's what people wanted at the time, and when he didn't deliver many "fans" bailed. I'm glad he did it his way.

Do I miss the Prince of the 80s? Yes, but I also miss the fierce and pissed-off Prince of the mid-90s just as much. I want to see that kind of energy channeled into his music again.


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Brilliant!

And you're right. He could have easily put out another PR... but he doesn't want to rest on what he's done b4. He always moves 2 do something new and that's a very admirable quality about him.
Sure, I do wish that his album had one homogeneous sound (like 1999, every track being like the 1st 4 tracks & Automatic)... but he does things different because he wants to expand his talents... and that's one of those many things I respect him 4.
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Reply #41 posted 09/10/07 5:24pm

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Rockability said:

The wedding was over in 1988. Graffiti Bridge and ka-plunk. He has been a one-hit wonder since and never will be the same.

It reminds me of something someone said. "I dig the old Prince stuff, like "controversy, lady cab driver, head, etc. I'll take that over "seven" any day." Sums it up.

rolleyes The silliness continues. Don't y'all love it when people act as if their opinion is the gospel truth? People like that piss me the fuck off.
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Reply #42 posted 09/10/07 5:27pm

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Reply #43 posted 09/10/07 5:38pm

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Se7en said:

Genres aside, to me there are 2 kinds of musical acts.

The first (most common) act is one that has success with a certain "sound" and rehashes that same sound over and over. Not saying they have guaranteed hits, but they follow a certain formula and don't stray far from it.

The second act (such as Prince) is one who really tries new things, sink-or-swim, and revisits old sounds without rehashing them to death.

Prince could have easily put out Purple Rain Part II. In fact, he could've released the same songs that are on ATWIAD with just a rock vibe. That's what people wanted at the time, and when he didn't deliver many "fans" bailed. I'm glad he did it his way.

Do I miss the Prince of the 80s? Yes, but I also miss the fierce and pissed-off Prince of the mid-90s just as much. I want to see that kind of energy channeled into his music again.


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Brilliant!

And you're right. He could have easily put out another PR... but he doesn't want to rest on what he's done b4. He always moves 2 do something new and that's a very admirable quality about him.
Sure, I do wish that his album had one homogeneous sound (like 1999, every track being like the 1st 4 tracks & Automatic)... but he does things different because he wants to expand his talents... and that's one of those many things I respect him 4.

Co-sign. Even now, almost 30 years in to his career, we still don't know what the new albums will be like. Prince could totally switch up his sound next year if he wants to. It's the unpredictability that he still has that has kept me coming back for more every year since I was 5.
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Reply #44 posted 09/10/07 5:45pm

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You guys fell fot it again...LOL...Shock posting at its best...
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Reply #45 posted 09/10/07 5:53pm

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Rockability said:

The wedding was over in 1988. Graffiti Bridge and ka-plunk. He has been a one-hit wonder since and never will be the same.

It reminds me of something someone said. "I dig the old Prince stuff, like "controversy, lady cab driver, head, etc. I'll take that over "seven" any day." Sums it up.




For the most part, i have to agree. Although, i'd extend the back end a little bit because i think it was after the Symbol record where you really knew that the honeymoon was over. Diamonds and Pearls and Symbol may not have had the solid themes/excitement that the previous albums did (mostly due to Prince's ridiculous flirtation with rap), but he was still significant musically and was still charting pretty well. Beginning with the name change/Warner fight crap it became all about that and the music suffered and for the most part has suffered since. sure there's been some glimpses here and there, but it's nothing like it was or will ever be again. for every Rainbow Children to get excited about, there's lame ass Rave's, Musicology's, 3121's and yes Planet Earth's to not get excited about.
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Reply #46 posted 09/10/07 8:36pm

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Yes, 88,...but more like 87 was the end of the classic era, where mostly everything was spectacular.

He did come up with some great songs after that, I would definitely add "7" to that list, and some Graffiti Bridge tunes as well. We Can Funk, Joy In Repetition, thoe those were written prior (and performed better).

Yes, he's still spectacular, but nowhere near the level he once was, but who is? And even at his current level, do any musicians even come close living or dead? (2007 mtv music award anybody...dreadfull!)
and yes hes getting older. that's life,..... we all get old, but we all aint never gonna be bad like Prince! cool

There .....it is said.


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Reply #47 posted 09/10/07 9:19pm

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It was if the "critical mass" of music writers in the 80's (and 90's) were like Homer Simpson in that episode where another artist was performing a song, and he was yelling, "Purple Rain!" They wanted Prince to play and be Purple Rain all the time.


hard 2 belive that there r fans that still want this as well

I'm fond of saying that Purple Rain made me a Prince fan, but ATWIAD made me a Prince fan for life. Because with the latter album, he proved that he could make exciting, compelling work that didn't (really) resemble the stuff that immediately preceded it.


same here and continues til this day ..well xcept planet earth
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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