psychodelicide said:

Ok, here's the problem with posting on any forum. After the first 5 of 6 posters, other people actually don't READ what the original poster said. If any of you actually READ what I wrote I never said I was LEAVING, or was going to stop listening to Prince.

I stated that if I put in all the hard work to support a huge site about him, and I was not breaking any laws, I personally would not put up with the crap that these sites do. I congratulate Prince.org, and Housequake.com for their undying patience and resiliency. I just would not simply put up with it.

Let's be real here. I have an opinion, and I stated it. I don't blindly agree with everything he does. Especially when it comes to him attacking third party websites (mainly Housequake.com) when they are not breaking any international copy-write laws. It's strong-arming and it is wrong.

No one here has to agree with me, but do not change the facts to make it more convenient for you to say some half-witted comment that has nothing to do with the original post.

I will always listen to Prince, purchase his music (unless it sounds like Planet Earth), and go to his concerts.

I am not attacking the Artist known as Prince, but the business known as Prince.

padawan said:

It's easy for me to be a fan. I ignore all of his requests, laugh at them... I have tons of concert photos already saved, unreleased videos, and have 3 full O2 shows downloaded, and listen to them whenever I want. All for FREE! So at the end of the day I listen to what I want, and Prince is still rich. Win... win.

lspear76 said:

Greed is Good!

christos7 said:

Wall Street style!

Man, you already posted this on HQ and Hucky has forwarded it on to somebody closer to Prince. What you want, a formal declaration that you's The Man, or what?

And by the way, I totally disagree with the emotional logic here.
Prince, by my reading, is mostly concerned about the illegal activities which lurk not far under the cover of ANY artist's fan sites (I'm talkin bout bootlegs y'all) and, in my reading, is saying 'Well, we can co-operate or...'

He is the legal owner of his image and anything else pertaining to him. Sites like these have moderators which limit the freedom of individuals to do whatever they want for the benefit of the community. When they do so, the do so as representaives of the site's legal owners.
To call this kind of 'moderation' slavery is as ridiculous as it was when Prince involked the term's use to complain that he couldn't do everything HE wanted at Warners.
In his case, there was a moral element of the argument which was all on his side even where the legal one wasn't but in regard to fans and their moral right to post videos on a website? Get the f outta here. Y'all ain't got sheeeit on that 1. If y'get to do it, it's coz somebody's lettin ya. In which case DON'T PUSH YOUR LUCK
Where in Prince's actions do you perceive the SLAVERY in asking people not to do things? He did ASK. To me that's cool as you can get. Like 'Can I ask you not to burglarise my crib, please?'.

Seems to me (jus' a ittle bittle little suspicion, mind) that sometimes all the complaining about Prince's walking over of 'our legal rights' is coming from or supporting the guilty in a community which knows but likes to deny that it's knee-deep in criminality in any definition of the law. Downloaded an aftershow? That means YOU Sainty-boy.
The fact that fan sites with bootleg underbellies (not mentioning ANY names or ANY artists, note) are allowed to exist, to, me indictaes the ARTISTS' willingness to co-operate for the benefit of the community rather than a principle of law.

"Shut up already! Damn."

chookalana said:

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[Edited 9/7/07 6:40am]

chookalana said:

You don't have to defend yourself, honey! Some people here do understand where you're coming from. Some people here dare to criticize and still continue to be Prince fans.
We criticize our kids and spouses at times; that doesn't mean we don't love them and give up on them.
Some people here however treat Prince like a hero, or Nobel-Prize winner who saves mankind with his music.
I clearly draw a line when it comes to idolizing people, because for me and my house, we serve the Lord ( and not Prince)!

And let's clear just ONE thing up here. Saying that fan-sites work hard to support Prince is just as posturing as when that retail guy claimed the MOS freebie was a betrayal of all THEIR hard wrk. Neither fan sites or retailers do things for the artists. They do things for themselves. Prince is not a member of his fan-sites communities. He does not benefit from the community. The community's existence is incidental to Prince. The reverse is not the case.

I want to emphasise that I'm not comin' at this from the Prince 'religion', the sycophantic angle. I am coming at it from the angle that fan magazines and sites have ALWAYS been operated in parallel with trading in bootlegs. To deny that is to deny what's in the bowl when you flush it. But to plaster your own 'legal' indignation all over it is just plain BS.

chookalana said:

people are attracted to the things (people) that are hard to get.

prince just want more creativity on the fan side.

i mean, we all have bootlegs and photos form his shows. we feel we have something sacred. prince does not care of getting new fans so he puts some barriers to non-fans to get to know him. if u really are interested on him u MAKE THE EFFORT.

thats the thing...

i know its not... but should be this way

chookalana said:

I did read what you posted (several times before I posted my response), and I don't think, by any means, that my response to you was half-witted. You said in your original post, and I quote: "I have been a fan since 1982. But I must say that after 25 years of listening to your music and following your every move, I am officially done. One person can take only so much crap from an artist that likes to think he is different than the Recording Industry that he fights so often." To me, it clearly sounds like you are fed up with Prince, and were not going to follow him anymore. I was not the only person who read it this way, judging from what some other people have posted. I don't blindly agree with everything Prince does either, but it sounds like you're pissed at him or something.
[Edited 9/7/07 6:42am]

GiGi319 said:

I certainly don't treat Prince like a hero either. I know he's not perfect, and that he puts his pants on one leg at a time, the same as I do. God definitely comes first and foremost with everything.

Hello this is my second time replying on this same subject but this is a little diffrent I heard on the radio this morning and I hope it was just some folk clowning around that this is the last of it he saying that retiring stuuf again that after the last concert over there he is finished I don't beleive that at all heard it to mant times before just wondering have anyone else heard the same thing it was on the Tom Joyner show this morning after they played Future Baby Mama they started talking about him and one thing lead to another and they said he said that this is his last concert I will not beleive that you will not do a American Tour I know you are not just gonna drop a cd that hot and walk out on this part of the world come on now this is a real open letter to P looking to see you in Atlanta before Christmas and not just my city but hey you have fans/family thru out the Us get busy we want toi see the show to Poochie

I don't know why this person is posting this crap all over the internet, do you think Prince really cares? GET a LIFE

I don't have heroes. Heroes are for zeroes (although I'm looking forward to season two). Even God is not perfect. I mean that white beard. Not my bag, daddy-o.

psychodelicide said:

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The worst thing is that thanks to Hucky, this Open Letter To Prince may even get to prince. And how embarassing will it be to know that you posted in the same THREAD?
icky icky yuck yuck.

wlcm2thdwn said:

excessex said:

Oh give me a break. Prince doesn't own the right to his image. If I take a picture of Prince I can do whatever I want with that image. Prince also does not have the ownership of people's thoughts about him.

And there is also the moral aspect of a rich musician trying to sue his fans who can't even pay their rent.

Sometimes, any morally, Godly person has to say... you know what? I'm rich. These fans bought my work, and see my concerts, and made me rich. Maybe them sharing pictures is not such a bad thing.

I have no respect for Prince.

I can't believe that we're still arguing this subject over and over again, whether Prince has a right to do it or not he's got everybody on the internet shaking in their boots, I also think the rules are stupid but the forums are sure obeying them, it just sucks the fun out of even going to places like housequake, youtube and the org.
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lspear76 said:

Well, it sounds like you're happy with your collection. Since you're getting so much for nothing, surely that makes up for all the aggravation.

padawan said:

I no longer believe music is worth paying for. I have no respect for the record industry. All music video stations are owned by one company, and radio is mostly controlled by another. Why would I ever support them? I'd rather get things for free than to make those people rich. I'd rather support individual artists or bands. But even an artist that I support, like Prince, makes it tough for me to want to support him anymore. He's acting just like those record labels and scumbag corporations. Does he really want to be thought of as a scumbag?

excessex said:

I never knew it was criminal to "download" a "bootleg." Bootlegs and outtakes are for winners -- officially released crap is for the unintelligent and uninformed. I'm happy to be one of the enlightened.

wlcm2thdwn said:

Well, when someone starts a thread like this on a website that's about Prince, they should expect to get some comments like the ones posted here.

lspear76 said:

I'm pretty sure Prince doesn't want to be thought of as a scumbag. People might think he's being greedy or selfish, but he's doing what he thinks is right for him. I wouldn't call him a scumbag, just short-sighted.

He's not the most fan-friendly pop artist around, that's for sure. So I try not to lose sleep over his business decisions, and instead content myself with just enjoying the music.

psychodelicide said:

My point exactly, thank you...

^^^^^
Chookalana has my full support with his point of view.
Enough with Prince's narcissistic, controlling BS. It isn't cute anymore, for a 50 year old to act like he can control everything.
It's about time Prince shows some respect to the people that made him what he is today (and that includes the paying fans)
Prince acts like he did it all by himself.
He starts this ridiculous feud against Warner Brothers, when in fact WB gave him the chance of a life-time when the signed his poor, struggling and unknown behind for a generous 6 figure sum.
On top of that they gave him more freedom over his music than any other artist could have dreamed of at the time
Somehow he forgot to mention that when he went public with 'slave' painted on his face.
Of course the record-labels make big time profit with an artist's work. That's the way it goes if you sign a contract with a big company. The head of the company makes more money and has more power (rights) than the one who's working for them. It's wrong, so is bootlegging.
Life isn't fair. Everybody is getting dicked by somebody. Prince is no exception!!!

excessex said:[quote]Man, you already posted this on HQ and Hucky has forwarded it on to somebody closer to Prince. What you want, a formal declaration that you's The Man, or what?

And by the way, I totally disagree with the emotional logic here.
Prince, by my reading, is mostly concerned about the illegal activities which lurk not far under the cover of ANY artist's fan sites (I'm talkin bout bootlegs y'all) and, in my reading, is saying 'Well, we can co-operate or...'

He is the legal owner of his image and anything else pertaining to him. Sites like these have moderators which limit the freedom of individuals to do whatever they want for the benefit of the community. When they do so, the do so as representaives of the site's legal owners.
To call this kind of 'moderation' slavery is as ridiculous as it was when Prince involked the term's use to complain that he couldn't do everything HE wanted at Warners.
In his case, there was a moral element of the argument which was all on his side even where the legal one wasn't but in regard to fans and their moral right to post videos on a website? Get the f outta here. Y'all ain't got sheeeit on that 1. If y'get to do it, it's coz somebody's lettin ya. In which case DON'T PUSH YOUR LUCK
Where in Prince's actions do you perceive the SLAVERY in asking people not to do things? He did ASK. To me that's cool as you can get. Like 'Can I ask you not to burglarise my crib, please?'.

Seems to me (jus' a ittle bittle little suspicion, mind) that sometimes all the complaining about Prince's walking over of 'our legal rights' is coming from or supporting the guilty in a community which knows but likes to deny that it's knee-deep in criminality in any definition of the law. Downloaded an aftershow? That means YOU Sainty-boy.
The fact that fan sites with bootleg underbellies (not mentioning ANY names or ANY artists, note) are allowed to exist, to, me indictaes the ARTISTS' willingness to co-operate for the benefit of the community rather than a principle of law.

"Shut up already! Damn."


XPLNYRSLF:
Hahahhahhahahahahhahhahhahahahahahaha.... what a HOOT!
Exactly what was the MORAL element of his agreeing to take a $100 million, six albume deal, with Warner Brothers (the biggest deal in the music biz) then changing his mind?
In 1992, he was an adult, and agreed to terms.
As you said:"Shut up already! Damn."

To whoever this may concern:

I love U because I hate U, I hate U because I love U. I can't live without U and I can't live with U so I love to hate and I hate to love. I am so confused right now it is unbearable, I will sleep on it and see U tomorrow.

chookalana said:

syrinx7 said:

ginahrush said:

Yes he would have his own rules...no talking about Prince allowed...

bsk3601 said:

Dear chookalana,

Please take a wizz and then a dump and I hope you will feel better.
Prince.