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Reply #30 posted 08/27/07 3:20pm

happyhappy

they're (1999 + 3121) are actually really simular songs that both involve numbers and the reocurring theme of constant partying. 1999 is a little more clear twenty something odd years later, so maybe it needs time. maybe he'll do something with 5120 =P


also, half the beauty is that it's art, i think everyone's way to dead set on conclusions and can't enjoy a surprise razz
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Reply #31 posted 08/28/07 3:30am

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langebleu said:

thomashubler said:

Check Psalms 31:21 or Ecclesiastes 12:13 and you got the solution!

Other than this particular 'solution' was stated as being incorrect through the official website.
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The official website has also to think about material things, how to sell things,-

But Prince thinks first about spiritual things. He said he wants
to lead people to the truth.And 3121 leads them to the truth, if
you are really interested at and if you have a spiritual need.
3121 is indeed very spiritual and shows you even the sense of life.(E 3121)
Prince has found this treasure and he wants to share it with others.
He does it in the way Jesus did.
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Reply #32 posted 08/28/07 4:20am

electrorock

he made the music first so he wrote "hello im the one" and then he thought it would be more humble to put "3121" and add a lil bit of mystery.

case closed
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Reply #33 posted 09/28/07 6:06am

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thomashubler said:

langebleu said:


Other than this particular 'solution' was stated as being incorrect through the official website.
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The official website has also to think about material things, how to sell things,-

But Prince thinks first about spiritual things. He said he wants
to lead people to the truth.And 3121 leads them to the truth, if
you are really interested at and if you have a spiritual need.
3121 is indeed very spiritual and shows you even the sense of life.(E 3121)
Prince has found this treasure and he wants to share it with others.
He does it in the way Jesus did.

Prince is also reported to have made the same comment to a journalist - that 3121 is not a reference to a biblical passage.

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Reply #34 posted 09/28/07 6:22am

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langebleu said:

Tame said:

I really don't know about 3121, other than it being a traveling address.
I assume it is a Bible passage, However when I first contemplated it, I thought, As the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are One, Adam and Eve are also One.

In an interview, one of the Twinz suggested that she undrstood the song had originated from an address of a property rented in LA prior to Prince taking up temporary residence in the rented mansion used for the 3121 parties. This has never been authenticated.

There are several bible passgaes (as mentioned in the Forum FAQ) which would possibly be a source reference (as in Chapter 31, verse 21 of certain books of the bible). However, a Paisley Park moderator from the former NPGMC official site stated that 3121 was not a reference to a passage from the bible in this way.

Your suggestion that it may have something to do with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is most unlikely because the Trinity doctrine is not part of the Jehova's Witness faith.

The posibility that the use of the numbers is Prince's cryptic way of conveying the name of Jehovah or YHWH by way of figurative representations seems plausible, particularly when comparing the stylised font used for depicting the numbers.

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The one thing I noticed about the numbers...font...is that if you draw a heart,
you can cut out the numbers with very little scrap left over....
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Reply #35 posted 09/28/07 6:46am

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3121. It's the year Prince is going to retire in.

lol
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Reply #36 posted 09/28/07 6:49am

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McD said:

Right, here's what I think it is - the simplest explanation possible...

I'm cleaning up my Ipod to make everything a lot easier, cut down on the number of artists (by shoving about 100 of 'em under various, etc). Despite the tightening, Prince gets 4 entries - himself, Associated, Live & Bootleg. To further simplify, I decide to do to Prince what I'd previously done to The Beatles - put a number before the album titles so that they're chronological, not alphabetical, which makes a lot more sense.

But how to number? What counts as an official Prince album? OK, so personal choice comes in to it. I went with The Vault's description of the Symbol album as the 14th, but didn't want to number the earlier heard, but later released Black album after 14th, so it became 10a, with Lovesexy 10b. I included New Power Soul as Prince's name (at that time) appears on the cover together with a photo of him and him alone. No brainer. And I included Xpectation, The Chocolate Invasion and The Slaughterhouse, but not C-Note. Etc.

And where does 3121 come in? 31st. 12 tracks, or 21 when Prince is playing his little mirror games.

So is that it? Just a description of the album as it fits in his chronology? I'm convinced it's that simple, albeit Prince probably came to the number in a different fashion from how I did. (And obviously he liked the sound of it and continues to use it)

Case closed? Or too easy?


Sounds plausible, but who knows? We'll never get an answer from Prince, because that would take all of the mystery out of it.
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Reply #37 posted 09/28/07 7:55am

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I had my own little theory on this (another unsuccessful thread back in mid-spring/early-summer).

Sure, 3121 is probably talking about the club in Vegas.

But I figured it was a metaphor for his "friends"...

"you can come if u want 2, but ya'll can never leave"
Once you let him into your life, you can't leave if you tried. And the whole song talks about how we party along with his music.
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
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Reply #38 posted 09/28/07 8:35am

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Sure, 3121 is probably talking about the club in Vegas.

When 3121 was written and recorded, there was no such club in Vegas.
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Reply #39 posted 09/28/07 9:59am

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I noticed a while ago that 3+1+2+1=7. And for some people 7 is just one of those numbers. Probably for Prince too since he did that whole thing with 7-7-07 and everything.....
Maybe we can go to the movies and cry together
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Reply #40 posted 09/28/07 10:13am

RodeoSchro

My randomly-assigned ATM PIN code is "1213" - 3121 backwards.

That means nothing or everything. You decide.
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Reply #41 posted 09/28/07 10:46am

brodiebanks

I always thought it meant love 121. The three looks like part of a heart.
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Reply #42 posted 09/30/07 11:01am

thomashubler

I'm sure it has to do something with the name of God, JEHOVAH!
You find about 7000 times the tetagram'YHWH'in the Bible.
Also in Psalms 31:21.
Eclesiastes 12:13 says: 'Fear the true GOD and keep his commandments.
For this is the whole obligation of man.'
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Reply #43 posted 09/30/07 11:51am

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Tame said:

I really don't know about 3121, other than it being a traveling address.
I assume it is a Bible passage, However when I first contemplated it, I thought, As the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are One, Adam and Eve are also One.

Adam and Eve aren't always one, it depends upon the Sole in the body. Adam and Eve is different from the Trinity u refer to above. Because, Adam and Eve refers to the body. The Holy Trinity is in Reference to God, or Jesus but i believe to LOVE also.Yes, i know what religion defines the Holy Trinity as. This is my interpretation, that i am sharing, so please don't get upset with me ,Too much anyway. This is my own interpretation. That i have put together, by short studies into different Religions and Philosphies and certain a very short and quick synopsis. The body is a part of the earthly realm,and therefor does not have the ability to be a whole, it is full of alot of individual pieces that can't be fused back together. As i see it.
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Reply #44 posted 09/30/07 12:23pm

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McD said:

I know this has probably been discussed to death - but what is ever concluded? Either as an address, a Bible reference or (as it sounds in the song) some reference to the year where we're all gonna die now that we know 1999 never happened?

Are there any other theories, coz I think it's a lot simpler than any of the above.
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[Edited 8/27/07 5:47am]



its gonna be 31 years and 21 days from first album to retire wink
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Reply #45 posted 09/30/07 2:05pm

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Reply #46 posted 09/30/07 3:09pm

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thomashubler said

I'm sure it has to do something with the name of God, JEHOVAH!
You find about 7000 times the tetagram'YHWH'in the Bible.

The argument is that the font of 3121 shows particular similarities to some scripts of YHWH and, with 'YHWH' equating to '3121', Prince is effectively revealing the 'unspoken' name of God through his music.

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Reply #47 posted 09/30/07 3:35pm

ritaw

didn't he originally live at 3121 Minneapolis?
"C'mon y'all - let me hear you sing, c'mon y'all, shake, c'mon y'all, jump" - Yes Prince -
"London do you feel for me what I feel for you"- yes Prince -
"Can I play my guitar now?" - yes please
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Reply #48 posted 09/30/07 3:42pm

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the age he's gonna retire at. 31+21=52

Just a thought...seeing as it'll be the year 2010. Take out the noughts wink
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Reply #49 posted 09/30/07 4:01pm

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ritaw said:

didn't he originally live at 3121 Minneapolis?



yes he did - lots of things in Minneapolis are called 3121
"C'mon y'all - let me hear you sing, c'mon y'all, shake, c'mon y'all, jump" - Yes Prince -
"London do you feel for me what I feel for you"- yes Prince -
"Can I play my guitar now?" - yes please
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Reply #50 posted 10/03/07 10:26am

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ritaw said:

ritaw said:

didn't he originally live at 3121 Minneapolis?



yes he did - lots of things in Minneapolis are called 3121



Perhaps hes forming and ABBA tribute act called CABA 3=c 1=a 2=b 1=a...its the only answer
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