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PrintableQuakeXLE said: Prince has been releasing music for 30 years. To continue to expect the 'inspired' (ohh..how i hate that term) body of work which he did during his prime years... early 80s to mid 90s is... simply unfair to him as an artist... and expecting too much as a fan.
To still be getting 'relevant' music which stirs discussion.. fuels debates... gives us something to smile about amongst the major crap being made today and keeps us on our toes waiting for... whats next?.... 30 years into a career is phenomenal. I am hard pressed to come up with any musician who has been labled 'genius' who has continued to make awe inspring music over a 30 year span. Stating opinions about the albums and such is fine... but peeps need to stop making thier opinions as if they are etched in stone facts. The truth is... some people can't get out of the prime years and considers anything made since.. to be garbage. But a lot of us have moved away from those years and appreciate the music which has been made since for what it is... good.. quality music. Which when I say this... is an opinion in itself.. but I would say it is a supported opinion because even those who cant get out of the past... and bash every thing he makes now-a-days... for some reason are still fans and still acquiring the music and still will make it a topic of conversation. We got the cake from Prince in the 80s and mid 90s... everything else has been icing. His out put has been steady and to aot of fans... over-all good... if not great. at least to those fans who have stppped living in the prime years. So has Prince lost his ability? No! He just has made enough masterpieces to cover several careers already... and I'm not expecting another at this point in his career. I just want good new music... and I'm getting that. If he makes another Purple Rain... 1999... Sign 'O The Times... or any other album generaly considered masterpieces... I would be pleasently thrilled. Absolutely agree on this. You got it so right! And what's with the Parade hating? Parade from beginning to end is an extremely well crafted and sequenced album and is the first to solidly show example of the unmistakable and true Prince sound.. After the extremely polished and commercial sucess of Purple Rain, it is actually the mish mash of random singles that was to be ATWIAD that deserves such criticism. Life's a Parade! LoveLife, LoveSexy! | |
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fantasticjoy said: I don't understand tha hate on Parade. I loved it first listen.I was glad Prince was moving forward with his sound.There was so much funk and so much more. It's the "so much more" that was the problem. Very few 19 year old young men in 1986 wanted to get a Prince album home and find Beethoven or Mozart type music on it. It was not cool at all and DJs had a field day making fun of it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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mentalist said:
Parade from beginning to end is an extremely well crafted and sequenced album and is the first to solidly show example of the unmistakable and true Prince sound.. The first to show the unmistakable and true Prince sound? Maybe by Prince fans today but certainly not by Prince fans back then. The Prince sound to us was from "Dirty Mind" through "Purple Rain". That classical music and, folk music of all things, was the furthest from the Prince we had grown up with. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: It's the "so much more" that was the problem. Very few 19 year old young men in 1986 wanted to get a Prince album home and find Beethoven or Mozart type music on it. It was not cool at all and DJs had a field day making fun of it. That only means that some DJs are as dumb as some fans. Prince wasn't the first to use string instruments on a pop record and his doing so hardly likens him to Beethoven or Mozart. Only the most ignorant of music fans would make that kind of comparison. | |
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Best album of 2007....."Planet Earth"!!!!! |
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viewaskew said: vainandy said: It's the "so much more" that was the problem. Very few 19 year old young men in 1986 wanted to get a Prince album home and find Beethoven or Mozart type music on it. It was not cool at all and DJs had a field day making fun of it. That only means that some DJs are as dumb as some fans. Prince wasn't the first to use string instruments on a pop record and his doing so hardly likens him to Beethoven or Mozart. Only the most ignorant of music fans would make that kind of comparison. No, he wasn't the first to use strings but he sure as hell wasn't known for using them in the past. He was known for making harder, more modern sounding music and getting away from the traditional sounding stuff. Remember, this is the same man that had previously said...."It's time for a new direction, it's time for jazz to die". Then, he turns around a few years later and does something even more old fashioned and traditional than jazz....which is classical. As for Mozart or Beethoven, most funk/rock fans don't have collections full of classical music and aren't familiar with their work. I have nothing but respect for classical music because they are very talented musicians. However, I don't want it mixed in with funk/rock. Classical music has it's place and funk has it's place. Beethoven and Mozart are generic words to insult the classical music on "Parade" because most folks see them as "uncool" and that was the DJs way of saying at the time that Prince was "no longer cool". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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I actually don't think Prince's songwriting has deteriorated all that much. For example, Planet Earth is a staggering, powerful song that can stand up to many of his stronger past songs in terms of the strength of its melody.
My only problem with newer Prince music is that he's taken to spellings things out in his songs in a really simplistic, almost trite way. I miss the more challenging lyrics of the past that spoke of tourists at Disneyland, bathing in purple rain, and living the rest of your life in taxi cabs. Prince's lyrics now almost tend to be childish. "Don't you wanna go get saved?" Come on. He used to make a listener really have to think creatively and enter a poetic, and sometimes even philosophical state of mind to appreciate the full message. [Edited 8/28/07 0:38am] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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....mh....the "guitar" lyrics....  [Edited 8/28/07 13:04pm] (akime from germany...adoring HIM since the purple days....)......and....sorry for less quality in grammar...if your german is in a better shape....it´s up 2 u  | |
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SS4GOKU said: Prince is a remarkable artist, but it seems that he has lost the ability to make an album that is solid from start to finish, like "Purple Rain," "1999,"and Parade and etc. On his new CD " Planet Earth" it starts off strong with the title track and then with "Guitar", then you wonder why week songs like "Lions of Judah" and "All the Midnights in the World." And Prince has followed the same patterns on past albums "3121," Musicolgy," "New Power Soul" just to name a few.
i'd say the last of his powers was used for rainbow children.he put his all into that one.i dont like it that much but it had that prince magic.sadly that was the last of that in alot of ways.but he can still surprise with a one off here and there that wows. | |
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fantasticjoy said: I don't understand tha hate on Parade. I loved it first listen.I was glad Prince was moving forward with his sound.There was so much funk and so much more.
it wasnt HATE, it was a WTF. i was sooo in2 dirty mind, controversy, 1999 that after ATWIAD (which was disapointing) and the first listen of kiss (great i loved it) i was expecting another great album (which it was) and found very "mature" music. it was "boring" to me until a few years later. also i was too young for that concept. the movie was also very crapy at the time. i couldnt understand it. now i get it tho' i think this happened to a lot of fans. | |
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PurpleKnight said: I actually don't think Prince's songwriting has deteriorated all that much. For example, Planet Earth is a staggering, powerful song that can stand up to many of his stronger past songs in terms of the strength of its melody.
My only problem with newer Prince music is that he's taken to spellings things out in his songs in a really simplistic, almost trite way. I miss the more challenging lyrics of the past that spoke of tourists at Disneyland, bathing in purple rain, and living the rest of your life in taxi cabs. Prince's lyrics now almost tend to be childish. "Don't you wanna go get saved?" Come on. He used to make a listener really have to think creatively and enter a poetic, and sometimes even philosophical state of mind to appreciate the full message. [Edited 8/28/07 0:38am] true true true! before it was "what does he mean by ...?" and now its like "ah ok, whatever" check TTDs lyrics if u wanna have that feeling of having to think state of mind. | |
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SS4GOKU said: Prince is a remarkable artist, but it seems that he has lost the ability to make an album that is solid from start to finish, like "Purple Rain," "1999,"and Parade and etc. On his new CD " Planet Earth" it starts off strong with the title track and then with "Guitar", then you wonder why week songs like "Lions of Judah" and "All the Midnights in the World." And Prince has followed the same patterns on past albums "3121," Musicolgy," "New Power Soul" just to name a few.
It's totally a matter of opinion. The tracks you meantion on PE as weak, I think are two of the strongest, if not THE strongest cuts on the LP. I can't say I'm listening to it a whole lot, but I still find PE to be much stronger than 3121 and Musicology, and adheres much closer to the upswing in Prince's output that began with TRC. I do agree lyrically, I still find a lot of awkwardness - In Guitar for example, but it's still a whole lot better than the late 90s, where stuff like Push It Up and Hot Wit' U were just complete toss-offs. With regards to instrumentation, I find when Prince goes back to electronics, it sounds dated and feels like a step back, where as with TRC, ONA and to a lesser extent PE, the reliance on 'real' instruments gives the music a fresher feel. Prince has used horns since 1985, so although he started out purposely avoiding them in favour of synths, it can't really be said that horns are so new to Prince's output - although I find the string of James Brown pastiches like Prettyman and Get On The Boat terribly trite. [Edited 8/28/07 5:32am] | |
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PurpleKnight said: My only problem with newer Prince music is that he's taken to spellings things out in his songs in a really simplistic, almost trite way. I miss the more challenging lyrics of the past that spoke of tourists at Disneyland, bathing in purple rain, and living the rest of your life in taxi cabs. Prince's lyrics now almost tend to be childish. "Don't you wanna go get saved?" Come on. He used to make a listener really have to think creatively and enter a poetic, and sometimes even philosophical state of mind to appreciate the full message. [Edited 8/28/07 0:38am] I'm so with you on this. Just those few examples you gave really sum up what a mind twister Prince used to be with his lyrics. You can just look at his titles alone, When Doves Cry, Erotic City, Something In The Water, etc. and you get a snap shot of just how high his imagination was soaring in those days. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Lion of Judah is "weak?"
LOL... please, put down the beer before posting. | |
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i think he's gotten a little lazy.....
I think we are getting some throw aways but they are good enough to release. | |
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Bishop31 said: Hey!..I LOve 'Lion of Judah'!
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