Prince is one of a kind. I feel that we are still in the middle of the Prince story with many twists and chapers to go. He is simply better than most people can deal with. Too diverse, too prolific, too bold, and mostly too evolutionary. Those who can't really take it all in throw peanuts from the gallery. Prince is showing us what happens when a genuis musician does not implode but continues to grow and confront the music world. How does the world react to the genuis in their midsts?

At each fork in road of Prince's career there have been hatere. Many of which have been ex-fans who remind of bitter ex-lovers. Has there been a artist whose so-called fans had such a love/hate releationship with. The haters come in serveral categories:

1) The wendy and Lisa groupies. Who give most of the credit to Prince's basic existence to these women. The curious thing is these two have not created one classic song let alone album without Prince. Chances are we wouldn't even know they exist without him.

2) The non-religious nuts. Who are so perterbed about a man's spiritual beliefs that they somehow seem to think they reflect on their own. These same people had no problem with the nasty prince but must project their own religious issues onto Prince.

3) The troll. This poster doesn't even like prince maybe never has. They just hate that others love him. When u see their post u know it will be negative no matter what.

4) The "shit", "crap", "cringe" poster. There is no middle ground with these folks. They would have u believe that nothing Prince does has any musical merit to speak of.

5) The flavor of the moment poster. Who ever is hot right now is the "new" prince or their album is a better Prince album than whatever real Prince album is currently out. See Van Hunt, D'Angelo, Timberfuck, andre 3000, beck.


6) The 1984-1988 poster. Nothing Prince did before or after is much good for these folks (but they are still here lol).


7) The I only like one genre poster. Anything Prince does outside their narrow musical box is shit. They want more funk or less horns. always downgrade the R&B Prince as pandering (he's black y'all helllo!). On the flipside are those that if its not funky prince then its "corny".


8) The business poster. Always concerned with Prince's business decisions and why he is doing it. According to them Prince is a bad business man even though he has managed to have a successful and profitable career for 30 years. This poster is mad at prince for business decisions.

Prnce is mine best singer in the world to. play his new best cd he is the most best muscian in the world to.

emilio319 said:

LOL! Same here!

Tricky, i understand what you are trying to say, but please.....be a bit more realistic, okay?

This is so true, Tricky...


Singing Controversy...

Riverpoet31 said:

oh honey, you can't get more realistic than what tricky said...

don't forget the "everything price records now is genius and the 80s are overrated" types that enable Prince release of garbage like Mr. Goodnight, Life of the party and Cinnamon Girl.

emesem said:

stfu

The more music Prince puts out the more he waters down his catalog...so that the average of his music will be ...eh.

IF he can't put out anything superb, I'd prefer that he just lay low and rejuvenate -- preserve the legacy and quality of reputation.

He's made great music, yes genius music in the past. I disagree with your idea that he's still "evolving" and "challenging" society. I wish he were.

I think a lot of people who gripe do so because they actually love Prince most and have very high expectations for him.

Those who gush over every little mediocre single with silly titles and sillier lyrics are the ones who devalue Prince.

He's capable of much better and I always hope with news of each new record that he's tapping into that dormant genius.
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emesem said:

Word.

The funny thing that these "fams" usually don't get is that people criticizing new works often aren't yearning for the '80s. Prince has made plenty of good music in the '90s and '00s too... but some songs over the last few years have been really bland.

You have just said what I have been trying to say for the last 6 years. It's been like that ever since they changed the old Org to what it is now. Thank you for your post !

tricky99 said:

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You hit the nail on the head. I agree on the Wendy and Lisa comment but, I have to give them props on Planet Earth.

I think you forgot one..

9) The Sexxydancers. This poster thinks Prince has been flawless since 78 to current time and he can do no wrong.

im number 6 a bit and definitely number 9

I agree that at every "fork" in the road there are folks who complain. I remember when I was just being turned on to Prince (I was 12) and Purple Rain was just released, my friends mother (a big Prince fan) complained that he was "veering from track"


But I disagree that these people are "haters". You can be HUGE Prince fan, and still criticize him for this or that thing, even if your delivery is somewhat crass, yet not be a "hater".

I remember when NPGMC (At that time L41A) posted some bulletin calling fans who complained about their Cyrstal Ball CDs taking forever to get to them or being doublecharged, etc. as "haters". Not only was this rude, it was just plain bad business practice. They had an opportunity to fess up and apologize for mishaps in their "experiment" as any company would do when making mistakes, but instead used language that was at the very least, not helpful.


My biggest thing about nay sayers of this or that thing, is that they *know* on a Prince fansite it's provacative. I totally support the right to criticize as I do it myself, but jumping on an appreciation thread and poopooing it can sometimes bring rather strange results.


I'm a hypocrite.

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tricky99 said:

I wont even color it any other color than that.. tis' me I am 'trying' to be open about 'other' stuff .. but uhm.. it's gradual

Imago said:

The thing i have learned about Prince and his music and just any artist with longevity, if you are going to constantly compare something new with something old you are always going to be let down, so why bother. Stop picking up every Prince record and long for COMPUTER BLUE or something else, if thats what you want then pull out Purple Rain and have a big ole party. I have said this time and time again to Prince fans and just fans of any artist, you cant compare today with yesterday, they were different and so were you. The other day I was thinking back to my Senior year of high school and Slippery When Wet by Bon Jovi was the big album and i played it to death that summer and i thought of girlfriends i had at that time, and then i pulled out the cd threw it on, and you know what, i couldnt recapture how i felt, u know why??? Because it wasnt 1987 again, I wasnt a Senior in High School, those girlfriends have long since married and gone on, my current girlfriend only knows Bon Jovi for Have A Nice Day, so shit changes, get over it, its just music and life.

emesem said:

Ah #4 or #6 with a tinge of #3...

emesem said:

That's a catagory of "hater"?

MajesticOne89 said:

That's a catagory of "hater"?

what about

9) the "it's not innovative" hater - the ones who insist every Prince CD be groundbreaking and innovative, or else it's pap?

you know what i found myself thinking about is that we've had this man doing his thing for close to 30 years! think of the tragic genuises who never got to 5, 10, let alone 20 plus albums, like Hendrix, Cobain, Holliday, etc. Their legacy gets frozen in time and we always wonder what COULD have been as we, non-artists (most of us) wax nostalgic. I'm glad to witness his longevity as an artist. He does NOT exist to pander to MY expectations of him. I collect the albums, appreciate the diversity and always find gems in each of them and always find myself disagreeing with what others think is "crap."

this thread right here.. should be a sticky .. ..

A nuance to the W&L category... There are those of us who do not put his success down to these two glorious people, but certainly subscribe to the idea that there were his greatest muse (along with Susannah) and were his greatest collaborators, and we simply wish he had allowed the split in 1987 to have been more amicable, allowing a more 'fruit-bearing' relationship in the intervening years.

As for W&L not recording a a classic song. Sorry. You're wrong. And, they continue to record them now.

Don't forget:

10. The 'I've got my own opinion and insist on expressing it because...erm...that's the point of this 'interweb-posting' thing.' poster

and

11. The 'Prince isn't a religion. He's somebody I have changing views on' poster

and what about

12. The 'I like hearing different points of view so I come on here and check them out and agree or disagree as the mood takes me' poster

datdude said:

thanks tricky99 for your thoughts.
they made me laugh and i agree w/alot of your points.
perhaps 'categorizing the haters' will save me some time in the future.
for example, i already know when i see certain posters, i pass on reading 'em . . .
your index may be helpful in 'filing the haters' under certain categories.