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PrintableAll the facts seem pretty above board - I don't think he is playing his hand by discussing issues here.
If Prince wants to get the courts to issue a gag order he could try but I don't think he could get one in this case. In the end its primarily a nuisance case. | |
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THIS HERE IS THE TRUTH NOT ONLY IS SWANG SMART BUT HE'S ONE FUNKY BROTHA KEEP UP THE FIGHT | |
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ZaZa said: All the facts seem pretty above board
Doesn't matter. prince seems ticked off and is going after a fan pretty enthusiastically, if the financial figures I've read are accurate. I don't think he is playing his hand by discussing issues here.
I disagree. I think he might be. If Prince wants to get the courts to issue a gag order he could try but I don't think he could get one in this case.
In the end its primarily a nuisance case. ZaZa, my point wasn't about Prince getting a gag order. It's about a defendant commenting on matters that pertain to pending litigation. Generally, regardless of the nature of a case (i.e., a nuisance suit), attorneys dissuade their clients from doing that. Especially when the plaintiff's legal team is all ears and eyes. [This message was edited Tue Oct 1 12:07:03 PDT 2002 by ThreadBare] | |
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joeycoco said: abucah said: Ummm... well... I think I understand where you're coming from. But shouldn't the true measure of your level of support for an artist include respecting his or desire for how their art should be handled? I think it's more than a little presumptuous to assume YOU know what is best for someone else's art. This is not about art. If I hear one more person say "but think of all the 'free' promotion he's getting..." Did it ever occur you SWANG and others that there may be times where Prince doesn't want the promotion even if it's free? Everything can't be equated to monetary value.
Interesting you say that, 'cause he's seeking damages in the amount of $150.000 per song. By excluding certain performances in a CD or video release, it makes the experience of those who were fortunate enough to attend the Celebration that much more special.
I doubt it does, because no CD or DVD can approach the live experience. It will never be the same. Now, with all that being said. I want to leave you with this one thought. If you considered me to be a friend of yours, and as your friend, you asked me not to do a certain thing. And for whatever the reason, I have it in my mind that this thing I'm doing is a good thing for you. But you still keep asking me nicely not to do it and finally I just say "screw you! I know this is actually your property, but I know what's best for you and if you don't like it, go get a lawyer and we can settle this in court!"
Now I ask you, if I responded to you in that way, would you really think of me as your friend? First of all m is not Prince's friend and secondly the reason why put those links up was not because he wanted to help Prince. What he is saying is that the mp3's and bootleg material in general do not harm sales figures. If anything, they actually keep people interested and introduce his music to other people. So suing him and seeking damages in the amount of millions of dollars is ridiculous. This will have a much more serious effect on m's life than on Prince's, in fact, it could ruin him. That brings me to saying, once again, that just because Prince has the legal right, it doesn't necessarily mean he should exercise this right. Where's the "love 4 oneanother" in all this? But if you want to be naive and believe this is about artistic control and principles be my guest. [This message was edited Tue Oct 1 1:40:24 PDT 2002 by joeycoco] Ok. I will be your guest. You say this is not about art? So what if it's not??? What if it's only about simple control of his work? Should SUOMYNONA have control of Prince's work or should Prince? Obviously Suomynona thinks HE should have control and not Prince. So now there is a disagreement between Suomynona and Prince. So how should this issue be resolved? I'll tell you how it COULD have been resovled. It could've been resolved by Suomynona simply respecting what Prince asked him to do, which is remove the material from the website. But NOOO... instead Suomynona defiantly stuck his virtual middle finger up at Prince and essentially said "screw you" I"m going to do whatever I want. Well... we see where that got him. To suggest now that Prince is somehow wrong for applying legal pressure when all Suomynona had to do was simply comply with Prince's request represents the height of hubris. You also said: "First of all m is not Prince's friend and secondly the reason why put those links up was not because he wanted to help Prince." First of all, don't be rediculous. I was using an example in talking about how a friend would treat another friend. And I know, he wasn't trying to help Prince, he was only thinking of himself and thousands of other fans around the world. The problem is that he thought about everyone's feelings EXCEPT Prince's and thats the problem. "What he is saying is that the mp3's and bootleg material in general do not harm sales figures." Tell it to the judge. "So suing him and seeking damages in the amount of millions of dollars is ridiculous. This will have a much more serious effect on m's life than on Prince's, in fact, it could ruin him." Soumynona should've thought about all that when Prince first asked him stop posting bootleg (i.e. stolen material) on an unofficial, unauthorized website. You all are making this way too complicated. I don't know what it is about the virtual world that makes some people think there is no right or wrong. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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You know, I've been reading about this spectacle for a while now, and have seen every damn opinion there could ever be on the subject. I also saw the site owner's less than friendly response to Prince when he was politely asked, a while ago, to remove the links from freemyheart. First, I wouldn't be surprised if Prince filed suit simply because of that. I know I would have.
Now, this situation could have been totally avoided by simply complying with his wishes. After all, it is his property, regardless of what y'all think he should do with it. Really. Everyone knows that he has done it before, and that he will again. Everyone knows that his goals ARE NOT in line with what his fans want. So all of this bullshit regarding how David Bowie does this, Bjork does that, or the Who allows what, or Meshell doesnt' mind if, blah blah blah...are totally irrelavant. This has been proven time and time again. I only have to get burned once to realize that something is hot. Some of you, apparently, don't have that innate ability to realize that some things are better left alone. Especially when one is politely asked to comply with the owner's wishes. So Prince is an ass...yeah, like that's a surprise. But he is well within his legal rights to sue freemyheart. And the defendant, if Prince goes thru with this, will be in a world of shit if Prince wins. He doesn't have to try and collect money; the fact that you have a judgement in the public records will be enough to f*** you for life. That is, if you plan on having a life. Remember that. I still see people here who claim to be "serious collectors" and not die-hard fans. Yet, you post and post and post. God forbid, if I grew tired of someone, I would not fill my day with thoughts of him. This is one of the silliest things I have ever witnessed. I truly hope Prince wins. Not because it is necessarily right, but because he obviously feels that this is the right strategy for him. Regardless of what all of y'all think. My thoughts? Prince has released more quality music than ANY artist I have listened to. And he's still doing it. TRC is fantastic. That in and of itself keeps me from getting boots, downloading terrible sounding audience recordings, etc. Y'all act like the man has beeb fucking with you from day one, taunting you with the possibility of "freeing the music." Another phrase passed around here like so much lint...y'all know good and well he didn't mean that he was giving his shit out for free. He meant freeing it from the industry. Lord. Get a grip, set some meaningful goals for your damn selves, and accomplish them. I mean, isn't his fan base now in their thirties? Don't you think you should be doing something more than discussing Prince with every waking breath? Worrying about his business acumen? Crying over the fact that he can be an ass, when this has been known for years? C'mon people... | |
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One thing though...Prince just might go full throtle(sp?) and actully see this thing out just because if he doesnt , every tom, dick,and harry will be doing the same thing with their site etc. just for "the cause". Be careful. "Climb in my fur." | |
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freemyheart.com offered free downloads. Prince requested they stop. Instead of just ignoring the request & continuing to offer downloads (like the download pioneer
he paints himself to be)freemyheart.com flaunted the request from Prince & gloated in his denial of Prince's wishes. May he get all thats coming to him - he brought it on himself. | |
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rdhull said: BnR is in da house
One thing though...Prince just might go full throtle(sp?) and actully see this thing out just because if he doesnt , every tom, dick,and harry will be doing the same thing with their site etc. just for "the cause". Be careful. What up Black Man! And yeah, he will need to follow thru, cause you know someone will think they're some kind of freedom fighter, and the next thing you know they'll be stealin shit directly from PP. Wait, didn't that already happen? For real though, the crying going on over this is incredible...especially when the man ASKED the site to remove the songs! I mean, what more could one want? Then to basically say "fuck you" and not expect a response. All these people knowing what's best, how to best do business, why boots arew great, etc...if these nukkas got all the knowledge, they need to shut up, pick up a guitar, and go make their mark on the world. Prince already did, and as far as I'm concerned, I definitely feel him on this. If not, they should shut the hell up! Feel me? I had to get this off my hairy chest... | |
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BlackandRising said: rdhull said: BnR is in da house
One thing though...Prince just might go full throtle(sp?) and actully see this thing out just because if he doesnt , every tom, dick,and harry will be doing the same thing with their site etc. just for "the cause". Be careful. What up Black Man! And yeah, he will need to follow thru, cause you know someone will think they're some kind of freedom fighter, and the next thing you know they'll be stealin shit directly from PP. Wait, didn't that already happen? For real though, the crying going on over this is incredible...especially when the man ASKED the site to remove the songs! I mean, what more could one want? Then to basically say "fuck you" and not expect a response. All these people knowing what's best, how to best do business, why boots arew great, etc...if these nukkas got all the knowledge, they need to shut up, pick up a guitar, and go make their mark on the world. Prince already did, and as far as I'm concerned, I definitely feel him on this. If not, they should shut the hell up! Feel me? I had to get this off my hairy chest... Youre lemonade brah---cool n refreshing and I thought *I* didnt mince words. BnR just dont be givin' a damn heheee!! Let me say I love M, Free ma Hot, and appreciate the site etc...but this pause for the cause thing is not worth it and like some say..in the wrong. since he was approached courteously. Dont think that Bruce, Phish et.al are all hunky dory with taping...what happened is monfonkers gave in, caved in or what have you... They figured--"ya cant beat em so why not do it this way?" But Prince said basically "oh no mutherfucker---I may not obliterate the companies but I will damn sure poot my high hell in the ass of those I can try to stop". Is it right or wrong in the issue of the fans? One has to look at it from both perspectives...from a fan perspective and an artist perspective. Some artists are not that concerned with their material, appreciate other venues and the collecting etc, and some do not want their own unofficial art reelased without their consent. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong..."Climb in my fur." | |
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ZaZa said: freemyheart.com offered free downloads. Prince requested they stop. Instead of just ignoring the request & continuing to offer downloads (like the download pioneer
he paints himself to be)freemyheart.com flaunted the request from Prince & gloated in his denial of Prince's wishes. May he get all thats coming to him - he brought it on himself. nope...not true...freemyheart never offered downloads..only links to other sites...defend your prince all you want..just dont make up things while your doing it... | |
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suomynona said: abucah said: Now I ask you, if I responded to you in that way, would you really think of me as your friend? if you are always saying 'yes' to your friend, then you are not their friend... sometimes you have to tell them they're making a mistake (even if the friends the the two of you share disagree...)
we told him no, and it worked just fine with the ona tour. no to 25 costume changes. no to rappers on stage. no to dancers. no to pyrotechnics. no to preaching (which he didn't quite live up to, but it was a large improvement.) no to kirky j. no to larry. yes to more guitar. yes to even more guitar... etc, etc... sometimes it's a good thing to say no. maybe not immediately, but in the long run... hopefully this is just the first step to what we were expecting in 1995 when we knew he'd be leaving wbr soon and thought that we'd finally be hearing (purchasing directly from him) a great deal of the songs in the vault that had already been circulating for over a decade... and since 1995? bootleggers have released 10 times the amount of material prince has, and folks continue to support the bootleg industry by purchasing disc after disc... why? because the demand is there. and many of the folks that buy these boots have already bought all of prince's official cds, and will continue to support him completely in the future as well... many of the songs are already circulating. and many of us have already heard them. and as good as the quality on many of these tracks are, we are the kind of admirers that would support prince by getting rid of our copies, and buying the official version from him... but instead of releasing these songs, he only talks about them in interviews... and then wonders why folks talk about them... listen to them, etc, etc... but wait... in 1995 when he was talking about how he'd be freeing a lot of his music after his contract was over with wbr, we had pussy control. there's no way in 2002 that we will ever hear an official version of "wonderful ass" unless it's on yet another wbr vault release... it's scary to think of all of the stuff that prince intended for release, and was told no by wbr... that we will never be allowed to hear... we should be thankful that they said yes to what they did allow him to release... because according to prince, we would've never heard something like 'sexy mf' if it had remained in the vault... was prince surprised by the crowd's reaction to hearing him play the opening notes to "empty room"? sure didn't sound like it to me... and that is an unreleased song that has been shared between admirers of his music... folks were singing along... did he stop the song and ask them how they knew the song, or the lyrics? no... but he's upset a month later to find out that folks are sharing it again... (understandably so... because he's a control freak... and because he surrounds himself around him that only say 'yes' and calls them his friends.) and it's not really his fault. he approves when we sing along to an unreleased song, he knows that we know of it because we have shared it without his permission... however, since we payed him $350 to attend 7 nights of his shows, it's temporarily okay... yet when we do it again a month later, suddenly there's something wrong with sharing the song... okay. So what's your point? That YOU should be the sole judge as to when, where and how all of Prince's music should be heard? WHY??? I know you're bitter now. But when your head clears, you will see that all you had to do was say to yourself, I really love Prince's music and I really like sharing his music with other fans around the world. But since Prince (or his staff) has asked me to stop, I'll stop. It could've been as simple as that. But that's not what you did is it? Would you mind telling everyone else here how you responded to the request? I think it's very relevant to this discussion for people to understand how you were very disrepectful and indignant. Like I said in my post above to JoeyCoco, it's as if you stuck your virtual middle finger up at Prince and said "SCREW YOU!". And now you actually have the nerve to act shocked and confused by the response you received??? Please! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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SkletonKee said: ZaZa said: freemyheart.com offered free downloads. Prince requested they stop. Instead of just ignoring the request & continuing to offer downloads (like the download pioneer
he paints himself to be)freemyheart.com flaunted the request from Prince & gloated in his denial of Prince's wishes. May he get all thats coming to him - he brought it on himself. nope...not true...freemyheart never offered downloads..only links to other sites...defend your prince all you want..just dont make up things while your doing it... c'mon man...lol! Offering link, actual downloads, etc; that is a WEAK defense! Laugahable! "Defend your Prince all you want..." wtf are you, 12? I hope homie doesn't go to court with some bullshit like this...the judge will prolly smash him in the head with the gavel for GP! | |
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rdhull said: BlackandRising said: rdhull said: BnR is in da house
One thing though...Prince just might go full throtle(sp?) and actully see this thing out just because if he doesnt , every tom, dick,and harry will be doing the same thing with their site etc. just for "the cause". Be careful. What up Black Man! And yeah, he will need to follow thru, cause you know someone will think they're some kind of freedom fighter, and the next thing you know they'll be stealin shit directly from PP. Wait, didn't that already happen? For real though, the crying going on over this is incredible...especially when the man ASKED the site to remove the songs! I mean, what more could one want? Then to basically say "fuck you" and not expect a response. All these people knowing what's best, how to best do business, why boots arew great, etc...if these nukkas got all the knowledge, they need to shut up, pick up a guitar, and go make their mark on the world. Prince already did, and as far as I'm concerned, I definitely feel him on this. If not, they should shut the hell up! Feel me? I had to get this off my hairy chest... Youre lemonade brah---cool n refreshing and I thought *I* didnt mince words. BnR just dont be givin' a damn heheee!! Let me say I love M, Free ma Hot, and appreciate the site etc...but this pause for the cause thing is not worth it and like some say..in the wrong. since he was approached courteously. Dont think that Bruce, Phish et.al are all hunky dory with taping...what happened is monfonkers gave in, caved in or what have you... They figured--"ya cant beat em so why not do it this way?" But Prince said basically "oh no mutherfucker---I may not obliterate the companies but I will damn sure poot my high hell in the ass of those I can try to stop". Is it right or wrong in the issue of the fans? One has to look at it from both perspectives...from a fan perspective and an artist perspective. Some artists are not that concerned with their material, appreciate other venues and the collecting etc, and some do not want their own unofficial art reelased without their consent. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong...Haha! Again, for real..I usually don't give a damn about the P community cause it's so congested with asses...but like soemone said here...you're asked in the nicest way to stop, you say "fuck you," and now that the shit has hit the fan, you're paint yourself the victim. Take some damn responsibility, freemyheart! This is another example of the culture of blame...do some shit you knew wsa wrong, and when caught, turn to those with their heads up their asses just as far as yours to rationalize your position. I hate that shit. And yes, I love that Prince is saying, as you so beautifully put it, "oh no mutherfucker---I may not obliterate the companies but I will damn sure poot my high hell in the ass of those I can try to stop." Again, this is one of the things I truly love about Prince...take heed people! He sets goals and attains them. His goal here is to make you aware that he is correct, you are wrong. No matter how you try to rationalize it. And, fans are selfish...they will NEVER look at it from the artist's POV...they just want what they want. Period. Well, this shit should make em' sit up and take notice. | |
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This I love, a quote from one of the articles I read regarding this idiocy; "Lankford denied violating the copyrights and said he doesn't think he's done anything illegal."
Well, I'm surprised! LMAO! Hell, most people who break the law don't think that they're doing anything illegal in their minds...lol! Crackheads don't think it's wrong to smoke crack, dealers rationalize their actions by convincing themselves that they're providing a legitimate need, robbers and thieves justify their actions by blaming society on their lack of means, and so forth. What it comes down to is the interpretation of the law by those who impose it, not a bunch of rants by bitter fans. | |
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BlackandRising said: c'mon man...lol! Offering link, actual downloads, etc; that is a WEAK defense! Laugahable! "Defend your Prince all you want..." wtf are you, 12? I hope homie doesn't go to court with some bullshit like this...the judge will prolly smash him in the head with the gavel for GP! and typing *prolly* and *homie* are supposed to be signs of intelligence? come on guy..we all have the right to our own opinion, share yours...minus the arrogance... im really interested in your opinion of other artists like Meshell, Radiohead, David Bowie, The Foofighters and otheres who encourage the trading of boots...what is your opinion on that? also, why isnt prince going after the actually companies who are selling boots or who provided the songs for download...try and convince me that your opinion is the correct one to have...im listening... re-mixed edit!!! [This message was edited Tue Oct 1 19:35:04 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] | |
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SkletonKee said:[quote] BlackandRising said: c'mon man...lol! Offering link, actual downloads, etc; that is a WEAK defense! Laugahable! "Defend your Prince all you want..." wtf are you, 12? I hope homie doesn't go to court with some bullshit like this...the judge will prolly smash him in the head with the gavel for GP! and typing *prolly* and *homie* are supposed to be signs of intelligence?
come on guy..we all have the right to our own opinion, share yours...minus the arrogance... Oh stop--arrogance and slang run fucking rampant here. He was on point ...point blank, regardless of how he came across. also, why isnt prince going after the actually companies who are selling boots or who provided the songs for download...try and convince me that your opinion is the correct one to have...im listening...
Umm... probably because they arent blatantly advertising it on a website ..Sabatoage et.al arent exactly saying "come n get my download". Im sure if he could locate them (they are only a few guys not a complete comglomerate type of entity) he would..anyone remember Cyberseekers? He stopped them from delivering his bootleg product and made them even publicly apologize on their website. [This message was edited Tue Oct 1 19:46:05 PDT 2002 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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SkletonKee said: BlackandRising said: c'mon man...lol! Offering link, actual downloads, etc; that is a WEAK defense! Laugahable! "Defend your Prince all you want..." wtf are you, 12? I hope homie doesn't go to court with some bullshit like this...the judge will prolly smash him in the head with the gavel for GP! and typing *prolly* and *homie* are supposed to be signs of intelligence? come on guy..we all have the right to our own opinion, share yours...minus the arrogance... im really interested in your opinion of other artists like Meshell, Radiohead, David Bowie, The Foofighters and otheres who encourage the trading of boots...what is your opinion on that? also, why isnt prince going after the actually companies who are selling boots or who provided the songs for download...try and convince me that your opinion is the correct one to have...im listening... oh please! You're prolly one of those people that find something else to bitch about when you can't find anything relevant to say. If you think that because someone speaks or types out a word in a way that you don't, and you take that for ignorance or stupidity, then you're in the correct forum. And I have shared my opinion...it's pretty black and white. No gray area. My opinion on other artists doing what they do is that they are doing what in their minds is in the best interest of their music and/or career. I wholeheartedly support them in their stance, just as I do Prince. Just because other artists do what you like with regard to their property, does that mean that Prince is wrong since he isn't? One thing he ain't is a lemming. But those artists still have the right, since it is copyrighted material to wake up one day and say...what the fuck anm I doing?, and go the same route as Prince. And don't mistake passion for arrogance...I'm passionate about music, and an artist's right to do with theirs as they see fit. That isn't arrogance. re-mixed edit!!! [This message was edited Tue Oct 1 19:35:04 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] | |
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rdhull said: Oh stop--arrogance and slang run fucking rampant here. He was on point ...point blank, regardless of how he came across.
i dont agree that he was *on* point...legally, this type of suit has yet to be proven...for all we know, the courts could state that it isnt against the law to post links...but thats its against the law to offer uploading of bootlegged songs... so to say the guy was breaking the law just isnt accurate...*yet*. | |
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BlackandRising said: SkletonKee said: BlackandRising said: c'mon man...lol! Offering link, actual downloads, etc; that is a WEAK defense! Laugahable! "Defend your Prince all you want..." wtf are you, 12? I hope homie doesn't go to court with some bullshit like this...the judge will prolly smash him in the head with the gavel for GP! and typing *prolly* and *homie* are supposed to be signs of intelligence? come on guy..we all have the right to our own opinion, share yours...minus the arrogance... im really interested in your opinion of other artists like Meshell, Radiohead, David Bowie, The Foofighters and otheres who encourage the trading of boots...what is your opinion on that? also, why isnt prince going after the actually companies who are selling boots or who provided the songs for download...try and convince me that your opinion is the correct one to have...im listening... oh please! You're prolly one of those people that find something else to bitch about when you can't find anything relevant to say. If you think that because someone speaks or types out a word in a way that you don't, and you take that for ignorance or stupidity, then you're in the correct forum. And I have shared my opinion...it's pretty black and white. No gray area. My opinion on other artists doing what they do is that they are doing what in their minds is in the best interest of their music and/or career. I wholeheartedly support them in their stance, just as I do Prince. Just because other artists do what you like with regard to their property, does that mean that Prince is wrong since he isn't? One thing he ain't is a lemming. But those artists still have the right, since it is copyrighted material to wake up one day and say...what the fuck anm I doing?, and go the same route as Prince. And don't mistake passion for arrogance...I'm passionate about music, and an artist's right to do with theirs as they see fit. That isn't arrogance. re-mixed edit!!! [This message was edited Tue Oct 1 19:35:04 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] is there a responce somewhere in there? :O  | |
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SkletonKee said: BlackandRising said: SkletonKee said: BlackandRising said: c'mon man...lol! Offering link, actual downloads, etc; that is a WEAK defense! Laugahable! "Defend your Prince all you want..." wtf are you, 12? I hope homie doesn't go to court with some bullshit like this...the judge will prolly smash him in the head with the gavel for GP! and typing *prolly* and *homie* are supposed to be signs of intelligence? come on guy..we all have the right to our own opinion, share yours...minus the arrogance... im really interested in your opinion of other artists like Meshell, Radiohead, David Bowie, The Foofighters and otheres who encourage the trading of boots...what is your opinion on that? also, why isnt prince going after the actually companies who are selling boots or who provided the songs for download...try and convince me that your opinion is the correct one to have...im listening... oh please! You're prolly one of those people that find something else to bitch about when you can't find anything relevant to say. If you think that because someone speaks or types out a word in a way that you don't, and you take that for ignorance or stupidity, then you're in the correct forum. And I have shared my opinion...it's pretty black and white. No gray area. My opinion on other artists doing what they do is that they are doing what in their minds is in the best interest of their music and/or career. I wholeheartedly support them in their stance, just as I do Prince. Just because other artists do what you like with regard to their property, does that mean that Prince is wrong since he isn't? One thing he ain't is a lemming. But those artists still have the right, since it is copyrighted material to wake up one day and say...what the fuck anm I doing?, and go the same route as Prince. And don't mistake passion for arrogance...I'm passionate about music, and an artist's right to do with theirs as they see fit. That isn't arrogance. re-mixed edit!!! [This message was edited Tue Oct 1 19:35:04 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] is there a responce somewhere in there? :O Yeah there is...do yourself a favor and read it! And RD is on point as well...Sabatoge et al aren't on the net for all to see. But damn, when you put it in soemone's face and dare them to come at you...then they're gonna come at you! | |
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SkletonKee said: rdhull said: Oh stop--arrogance and slang run fucking rampant here. He was on point ...point blank, regardless of how he came across.
i dont agree that he was *on* point...legally, this type of suit has yet to be proven...for all we know, the courts could state that it isnt against the law to post links...but thats its against the law to offer uploading of bootlegged songs... so to say the guy was breaking the law just isnt accurate...*yet*. Let's see...Napster wasn't in "possession" of copyrighted materials...they were only providing the means for people to download copyrighted materials from each other's computer. Now, in my mind, that's more or less like "providing a link." And, where is Napster now? What did the courts say about their legal strategy? They said that it was, in effect, bullshit. And Napster is in the dumpster. And they had top-notch lawyers arguing their case! And that says what? That is has been proven, to the point that the ruling shut down a company that will soon host hella porn. | |
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BlackandRising said: Yeah there is...do yourself a favor and read it! And RD is on point as well...Sabatoge et al aren't on the net for all to see. But damn, when you put it in soemone's face and dare them to come at you...then they're gonna come at you!
yeah, i read it...i was just trying to make you smile.  | |
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BlackandRising said: Let's see...Napster wasn't in "possession" of copyrighted materials...they were only providing the means for people to download copyrighted materials from each other's computer. Now, in my mind, that's more or less like "providing a link." And, where is Napster now? What did the courts say about their legal strategy? They said that it was, in effect, bullshit. And Napster is in the dumpster. And they had top-notch lawyers arguing their case! And that says what?
That is has been proven, to the point that the ruling shut down a company that will soon host hella porn. actually, napster uploaded the tunes that were available to share...the mp3s were on *their* network... audiogalaxy was a p2p provider which would be more similiar to this case...but, as far as i know they took their site down prior to litegation...i think matt has already clarified the situation on other threads..maybe he could address this one too, from a legal standpoint... | |
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SkletonKee said: Featured artist site better than npgmc: www.freemyheart.com "famatic: the last remaining people who refuse to admit prince is an arse with zero business savy."-skeletonkee
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SkletonKee said: BlackandRising said: Let's see...Napster wasn't in "possession" of copyrighted materials...they were only providing the means for people to download copyrighted materials from each other's computer. Now, in my mind, that's more or less like "providing a link." And, where is Napster now? What did the courts say about their legal strategy? They said that it was, in effect, bullshit. And Napster is in the dumpster. And they had top-notch lawyers arguing their case! And that says what?
That is has been proven, to the point that the ruling shut down a company that will soon host hella porn. actually, napster uploaded the tunes that were available to share...the mp3s were on *their* network... audiogalaxy was a p2p provider which would be more similiar to this case...but, as far as i know they took their site down prior to litegation...i think matt has already clarified the situation on other threads..maybe he could address this one too, from a legal standpoint... Ummm...Napster was an online service that allowed PC users to share digital music files stored on another user's hard drive. Audiogalaxy ran a type of centralized server, which means the company had some control over the types of files on its system. As such, it was ruled that AudioGalaxy could be held accountable for infringing materials on their systems. Isn't this kind of what's going on here? Read the ruling by the Ninth Circuit U.S. District Court. And is Matt a lawyer? I have enough friends who are attorneys to know that unless you are one, it's best not to theroize. Just my opinion based on legal rulings... | |
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BlackandRising said: Ummm...Napster was an online service that allowed PC users to share digital music files stored on another user's hard drive. Audiogalaxy ran a type of centralized server, which means the company had some control over the types of files on its system. As such, it was ruled that AudioGalaxy could be held accountable for infringing materials on their systems. Isn't this kind of what's going on here? Read the ruling by the Ninth Circuit U.S. District Court. And is Matt a lawyer? I have enough friends who are attorneys to know that unless you are one, it's best not to theroize. Just my opinion based on legal rulings... if you're not sure either, aren't you also theorizing? | |
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BlackandRising and RD, y'all are my heroes. Prince is in the RIGHT in this situation. It's not like Prince just said shut down the site now he ASKED and the guy said in his actions No. Prince is not the enemy in this case. Period. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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AaronForever said: BlackandRising said: Ummm...Napster was an online service that allowed PC users to share digital music files stored on another user's hard drive. Audiogalaxy ran a type of centralized server, which means the company had some control over the types of files on its system. As such, it was ruled that AudioGalaxy could be held accountable for infringing materials on their systems. Isn't this kind of what's going on here? Read the ruling by the Ninth Circuit U.S. District Court. And is Matt a lawyer? I have enough friends who are attorneys to know that unless you are one, it's best not to theroize. Just my opinion based on legal rulings... if you're not sure either, aren't you also theorizing? I'm basing my opinion on facts, legal rulings and logic, not what I hear from other bitter fans who claim that they know the law, or rationalize the situation by claiming that Prince is an wrong because he isn't doing as we wish or as other artists do. | |
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