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PrintableI hated the "Rave" era. It was Prince's sellout era. What's worse, the year was 1999 and Prince should have thrown down some funk like the "1999" album since the year was actually 1999. Instead, he sold out and had guest stars on the album and even a shit hop rapper. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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KingSausage said: lastdecember said: Look im not going to debate, because everyone is going have an opinion and favorite this or that. Now i have seen the man 73 times in concert and with the Exception of the Jones Beach show on the Emancipation Tour the man has never "coasted". Its funny that you mention RAVE since this to me was when I lost a little interest in Prince, not sure if it was shit going on in my own life or just the fact that i didnt really dig the vibe that was coming from him at that point, sure there were moments that i liked but i really felt like Prince at that point needed new direction, some dig his new jazz vibe some dont. I didnt dislike RAVE i just dont find myself going back to it and playing it very much , but like i said take each cd as if its a new artist then you dont have to worry about, best CD since this or that kinda talk. Problem is, I'm not a goldfish. My memory stretches from one day to the next, one year to the next, and one CD to the next. An artist's back catalog isn't something to be ignored. It provides the tapestry and context for what they're doing. I feel that my appreciation for Lovesexy is heightened by listening to The Black Album, and understanding how those two works of art relate to each other. If I treated every album as a new CD by a new artist, I wouldn't understand fully the creative rush that brought Prince from The Black Album to Lovesexy in such short time. That's just one of many examples in which an understanding of Prince's musical legacy enhances an analysis of any new album, whether you like or dislike the new stuff. To pretend like this music is coming from a new artist every time shortchanges his artistic development, and is -- in my belief -- quite an artifical and contrived way to look at it. But to each their own. But im talking comparing, not ignoring. If you are always going to think Purple Rain and SOTT with every cd, then you are always gonna be let down, u cant re-create a feeling you had when you heard that record and Prince cant re-create that feeling when he recorded, regardless of how many band members he brings back. I mean i hear these debates from people on every artist, MJ fans still want Thriller part 2, their never gonna get it, Madonna fans want another Like A virgin and thats not going to happen etc and the list goes on and on. I told someone the story the other day about thinking back to my High School Senior year and Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet was the album that was everywhere that last summer, so 20 years later i was thinking back and i threw the CD on to get feeling back and you know what, it didnt happen. Why didnt happen, well because it wasnt 1987, i wasnt in High School anymore, the Girls i dated and things like taht were long gone, the issues in my life then werent the ones facing me today. Memories are cool but thats what they are you cant re-create feelings, if you try you are always gonna be let down. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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vainandy said: I hated the "Rave" era. It was Prince's sellout era. What's worse, the year was 1999 and Prince should have thrown down some funk like the "1999" album since the year was actually 1999. Instead, he sold out and had guest stars on the album and even a shit hop rapper.
despite some of the songs being easy & commercial, some others (Undisputed, Hot Wit' U, Strange But True...) were very innovative. | |
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For me, it's all about the live band feel of the last few (Musicology and PE especially....3121, not so much).
Rave and High were mostly cold, computer generated things. [Edited 7/21/07 10:25am] | |
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How can you "miss" that era? Those were the days when our hero was seen as an old clown, with no respect within the industry or the mainstream public; Prince was sad, divorced and he had lost his child, and his music was awful as well: half of NPS is garbage and Rave is his worst album ever (cold, boring, dull, out of focus...)  | |
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JoeTyler said: How can you "miss" that era? Those were the days when our hero was seen as an old clown, with no respect within the industry or the mainstream public; Prince was sad, divorced and he had lost his child, and his music was awful as well: half of NPS is garbage and Rave is his worst album ever (cold, boring, dull, out of focus...)
Why should we care what the industry (a bunch of sharks who don't care about music) think?  | |
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shaomi said: JoeTyler said: How can you "miss" that era? Those were the days when our hero was seen as an old clown, with no respect within the industry or the mainstream public; Prince was sad, divorced and he had lost his child, and his music was awful as well: half of NPS is garbage and Rave is his worst album ever (cold, boring, dull, out of focus...)
Why should we care what the industry (a bunch of sharks who don't care about music) think? It's easy to say this now that he's a millionare... [Edited 7/21/07 10:47am] | |
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JoeTyler said: shaomi said: Why should we care what the industry (a bunch of sharks who don't care about music) think? It's easy to say this now that he's a millionare... [Edited 7/21/07 10:47am] A lot of things are easy now that he's a millionaire...as can be heard in his music. "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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JoeTyler said: How can you "miss" that era? Those were the days when our hero was seen as an old clown, with no respect within the industry or the mainstream public; Prince was sad, divorced and he had lost his child, and his music was awful as well: half of NPS is garbage and Rave is his worst album ever (cold, boring, dull, out of focus...)
Because, to paraphrase the Gold Experience liner notes, he was panning for gold. The man wanted to be back on top, and the struggle was exciting. Now that he's successful, we're on autopilot (see Planet Earth). It's sort of like a sitcom...it's exciting when Sam is chasing Diane, but once they actually get together, there's nowhere to go. Back in the day, he used his success as a platform for experimentation. Purple Rain begat Around the World in a Day. Now, however, his success breeds "safe" Prince albums. There's nothing edgy about his new stuff. It's not bad music...AGAIN, I'm not saying that Rave was good music. But he's not taking any chances. At least with some shit like NEWS, you knew that the guy thought with all his heart that he was gonna "double down," fuck what the world thinks. Now, better play it safe, so that the next one will sell, too. It's his decision, and that's cool. I will buy Planet Earth (already pre-ordered), as well as every CD he puts out until he dies. It's part of being a hardcore fan, and enjoying the path of his artistry. All I'm saying, is that his new success has made me realize that I actually enjoyed those "dark years" a bit more than I ever thought I would. Because everything he did was to 11, in the words of Spinal Tap. If something was good, it was really good. If something was bad, it was really bad. He had passion, and it drove him to edge, for better or worse. It's safe now. We've got our musical helmets on, and you can feel free to walk around before the ride stops re: Planet Earth. It was fun to follow and underdog. "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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lastdecember said: KingSausage said: Problem is, I'm not a goldfish. My memory stretches from one day to the next, one year to the next, and one CD to the next. An artist's back catalog isn't something to be ignored. It provides the tapestry and context for what they're doing. I feel that my appreciation for Lovesexy is heightened by listening to The Black Album, and understanding how those two works of art relate to each other. If I treated every album as a new CD by a new artist, I wouldn't understand fully the creative rush that brought Prince from The Black Album to Lovesexy in such short time. That's just one of many examples in which an understanding of Prince's musical legacy enhances an analysis of any new album, whether you like or dislike the new stuff. To pretend like this music is coming from a new artist every time shortchanges his artistic development, and is -- in my belief -- quite an artifical and contrived way to look at it. But to each their own. But im talking comparing, not ignoring. If you are always going to think Purple Rain and SOTT with every cd, then you are always gonna be let down, u cant re-create a feeling you had when you heard that record and Prince cant re-create that feeling when he recorded, regardless of how many band members he brings back. I mean i hear these debates from people on every artist, MJ fans still want Thriller part 2, their never gonna get it, Madonna fans want another Like A virgin and thats not going to happen etc and the list goes on and on. I told someone the story the other day about thinking back to my High School Senior year and Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet was the album that was everywhere that last summer, so 20 years later i was thinking back and i threw the CD on to get feeling back and you know what, it didnt happen. Why didnt happen, well because it wasnt 1987, i wasnt in High School anymore, the Girls i dated and things like taht were long gone, the issues in my life then werent the ones facing me today. Memories are cool but thats what they are you cant re-create feelings, if you try you are always gonna be let down. I hear you. But I think we're talking about very different things. To start, 20 years ago is a much longer time. And this isn't so much about nostalgia to me. I'm certainly not asking for another SOTT. I'll put that CD on if I want to hear it. And I'll put PE on if I want to hear that. But, I personally feel there's an edge missing now...a motivation is gone. It's all so effortless now, and he's EASILY in the most reserved period of his career. Even that ass dumpling of an album that was NPS seemed more "risky" than PE, 3121, or Musicology. I'll listen to 3121 anyday over NPS, because I enjoy the music more. But it won't be as major of a milestone in his career, looking back. To make an analogy, when looking back at all the Bond films, I think that major stinkers like Moonraker are much more consequential than mediocre tripe like Diamonds Are Forever. When I eat food, I want a taste. Even a bad taste is something more than a bland, tasteless lump. At least there's a spark. "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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