An ironic statement considering the amount of hate that gets spewed on a person at prince.org who would, say, claim to prefer Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic over Lovesexy.

I would argue that the individualists around here champion/celebrate Prince's new albums and do not adhere to the much popular notion that only Prince's albums previous to 1989, or 1996, are "the best".

What is going against the grain here at prince.org, hating New Power Soul ,or embracing it?

i find it all to be bs.

you find what to be bs? New Power Soul?

SynthiaRose said:

Being an individualist means you know you are not a collectivist. Which means you DO know other people think like this.

Well by nature I am an individualist when it comes to "unalienable rights" but I dont think you read my post carefully enough. I never once said "sales" or "profits".. mechanisms that guide the entertainment industry.

But u HAVE to accept that art is about YOUR self expression... to others! That is why u created that art. That is what gives u the buzz, the drive to be artistic, know that u can communicate your thoughts and feelings to others who appreciate it.

U can create art for urself and never let others hear it I suppose. And as usual there are exeptions to the rule. I wouldnt want to ask those ppl how much porn they have on their computer, or why they dont have a girl/boyfriend!

lol.

PurpleHouse said:

and yes what other people think of you COMPLETELY defines you u r.. to those exact"other ppl".


Ur obviously not a buddhist and havent read the theory of interdependance. I wont lecture u now. I am an individualist in some ways but not 100%. That would make you an anarchist. R u an anarchist?

internationallover2004 said:

A-friggin'-men.

Genesia said:

Don't hate me because u see yourself in one of those categories. Who said Prince was infallible? People fall into many categories. I didn't say that the totality of their existence was to be a member of one of those cateogories, but if the shoe fits it fits.

Genesia said:

Don't hate me because u see yourself in one of those categories. Who said Prince was infallible? People fall into many categories. I didn't say that the totality of their existence was to be a member of one of those cateogories, but if the shoe fits it fits.

the notion that you can generalize peoples opinions and then categorize them into neat little groups just so you can justify your own views.

its silly and it's bs.

PurpleHouse said:

No, art is about self expression period. The audience is an afterthought and is irrelevant.

A true artist could on a deserted island create something just for herself to behold.

No true artist gets the "buzz" or "drive to be artistic" because they are communicating to others who appreciate it, as you claim.

Art is creately purely for translation of abstract concept to masterful concrete form that you can behold. Artists speak rhetorically, like an echo over a cliff, to the universe at large, saying this is me, these are my beliefs.

If others like or dislike it, so what.Who cares. Art is about the purity of creation not the reception.

The confusion over that principle is why there are so many so-called artists' who participate in shock value or fame for fame's sake -- too much emphases on the audience.

As a writer-artist, I interact with several artistic friends. One of my writer friends also does sculpture for himself and he rarely shows it to anyone. He won't sell it. He has occasionally given it away to close friends.

You have probably seen a movie he's written, so he's not some abnormal closet porn freak.

The thrill of creation for me is translating the concept into artistic form and beholding it. Then we sell it to have money to live so we won't sell ourselves out to 9 to 5 jobs.

There's a difference in having an audience and pandering to them or creating for them/with them in mind.

No artist should do that or think it's an any way important to the artistic process.

tricky99 said:

oh this is just silly. your generalizing and making assumptions about people's opinion simply to justify your own personal taste.

why is it so hard to just disagree with folks?

sosgemini said:

If there was no truth in my post certain people wouldn't be in this post acting like their feelings are hurt. What exactly bothers them about what I said? If none of these types of posters exist and its all in mind why did all those people cosign my thoughts?

but in the end, what the hell good does that type of statement do anyone? just f*cking like what you like and get on with it.

is is that freakin hard?

tricky99 said:

whose posting like there feelings are hurt? who is bothered? and why are people co-singing? because they agree with you? still doesn't make the argument any more legitimate. expecially since your are arguing something that is subjective. in fact, i could easily say you are posting this list because your feelings are hurt by other's differing viewpoints...but in the end, what the hell good does that type of statement do anyone? just f*cking like what you like and get on with it.

is is that freakin hard?

Dude, it's the internet--posting silly/subjective/humorous lists is what these fan sites are all about. It's not literary analysis chatroom, it's a fan site for fanboys and fangirls. People can do, basically, what they want. What's the problem?

Prince is one of a kind. I feel that we are still in the middle of the Prince story with many twists and chapers to go. He is simply better than most people can deal with. Too diverse, too prolific, too bold, and mostly too evolutionary. Those who can't really take it all in throw peanuts from the gallery. Prince is showing us what happens when a genuis musician does not implode but continues to grow and confront the music world. How does the world react to the genuis in their midsts?

At each fork in road of Prince's career there have been hatere. Many of which have been ex-fans who remind of bitter ex-lovers. Has there been a artist whose so-called fans had such a love/hate releationship with. The haters come in serveral categories:

1) The wendy and Lisa groupies. Who give most of the credit to Prince's basic existence to these women. The curious thing is these two have not created one classic song let alone album without Prince. Chances are we wouldn't even know they exist without him.

2) The non-religious nuts. Who are so perterbed about a man's spiritual beliefs that they somehow seem to think they reflect on their own. These same people had no problem with the nasty prince but must project their own religious issues onto Prince.

3) The troll. This poster doesn't even like prince maybe never has. They just hate that others love him. When u see their post u know it will be negative no matter what.

4) The "shit", "crap", "cringe" poster. There is no middle ground with these folks. They would have u believe that nothing Prince does has any musical merit to speak of.

5) The flavor of the moment poster. Who ever is hot right now is the "new" prince or their album is a better Prince album than whatever real Prince album is currently out. See Van Hunt, D'Angelo, Timberfuck, andre 3000, beck.


6) The 1984-1988 poster. Nothing Prince did before or after is much good for these folks (but they are still here lol).


7) The I only like one genre poster. Anything Prince does outside their narrow musical box is shit. They want more funk or less horns. always downgrade the R&B Prince as pandering (he's black y'all helllo!). On the flipside are those that if its not funky prince then its "corny".


8) The business poster. Always concerned with Prince's business decisions and why he is doing it. According to them Prince is a bad business man even though he has managed to have a successful and profitable career for 30 years. This poster is mad at prince for business decisions.

why are your panies all in a bunch about this?

tricky99 said:

tricky said:

skywalker said:

re-read tricky's first post with this one in mind.

sosgemini said:

So this really did strike home, otherwise u wouldn't pay it any mind. So
what category do u see your self in?

Dude, it's the internet--posting silly/subjective/humorous lists is what these fan sites are all about. It's not literary analysis chatroom, it's a fan site for fanboys and fangirls. People can do, basically, what they want. What's the problem?

sosgemini said:

Well, you seem to be giving the message of "live and let live"--and then take tricky to task for posting something you don't agree with. Curious, no?

its kinda pathetic that folks have to post drivel like this just to justify their own opinion...

whatever happened to "different strokes for different folks"?


oh yeah...the breastfeeding of our nation has led to a bunch of coddling babies who demand uniformed thought.

Genesia said:

Don't hate me because u see yourself in one of those categories. Who said Prince was infallible? People fall into many categories. I didn't say that the totality of their existence was to be a member of one of those cateogories, but if the shoe fits it fits.

Imago said:

The thing i have learned about Prince and his music and just any artist with longevity, if you are going to constantly compare something new with something old you are always going to be let down, so why bother. Stop picking up every Prince record and long for COMPUTER BLUE or something else, if thats what you want then pull out Purple Rain and have a big ole party. I have said this time and time again to Prince fans and just fans of any artist, you cant compare today with yesterday, they were different and so were you. The other day I was thinking back to my Senior year of high school and Slippery When Wet by Bon Jovi was the big album and i played it to death that summer and i thought of girlfriends i had at that time, and then i pulled out the cd threw it on, and you know what, i couldnt recapture how i felt, u know why??? Because it wasnt 1987 again, I wasnt a Senior in High School, those girlfriends have long since married and gone on, my current girlfriend only knows Bon Jovi for Have A Nice Day, so shit changes, get over it, its just music and life.

skywalker said:

because theres a difference between the subjective discussion of art and criticizing and judging folks for their opinion...huge difference.

sosgemini said:

Why won't u say what cateogory u fit in? Obviously u take exception to my list because u see yourself in it. I'm not buying that u are riding so hard on this because u feel the need to protect everybody else. If I'm talking about u own up to it instead of hiding. I mean really if u fall into one of those groups why be moderator anyway? I would hope that someone that takes such a position would at least like Prince. And I mean the artist he is now not 20 plus years ago.

tricky99 said:

Is there a Prince dick rider category cuz you would be king of that bitch.

Lothan said:

Cool, no problem. Love his music and if that makes me a dickrider fine.

PurpleHouse said:

No, art is about self expression period. The audience is an afterthought and is irrelevant.

A true artist could on a deserted island create something just for herself to behold.

No true artist gets the "buzz" or "drive to be artistic" because they are communicating to others who appreciate it, as you claim.

Art is creately purely for translation of abstract concept to masterful concrete form that you can behold. Artists speak rhetorically, like an echo over a cliff, to the universe at large, saying this is me, these are my beliefs.

If others like or dislike it, so what.Who cares. Art is about the purity of creation not the reception.

The confusion over that principle is why there are so many so-called artists' who participate in shock value or fame for fame's sake -- too much emphases on the audience.

As a writer-artist, I interact with several artistic friends. One of my writer friends also does sculpture for himself and he rarely shows it to anyone. He won't sell it. He has occasionally given it away to close friends.

You have probably seen a movie he's written, so he's not some abnormal closet porn freak.

The thrill of creation for me is translating the concept into artistic form and beholding it. Then we sell it to have money to live so we won't sell ourselves out to 9 to 5 jobs.

There's a difference in having an audience and pandering to them or creating for them/with them in mind.

No artist should do that or think it's an any way important to the artistic process.

tricky99 said:

Is there a Prince dick rider category cuz you would be king of that bitch.

An ironic statement considering the amount of hate that gets spewed on a person at prince.org who would, say, claim to prefer Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic over Lovesexy.

I would argue that the individualists around here champion/celebrate Prince's new albums and do not adhere to the much popular notion that only Prince's albums previous to 1989, or 1996, are "the best".

What is going against the grain here at prince.org, hating New Power Soul ,or embracing it?
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