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Question about "Starfish & Coffee" /Dream Factory/ Crystal Ball There is an "alternate" version of "Starfish & Coffee" that is around 3:21.
To me this version sounds much better than the "Sign O The Times" version. The alternate version that I am talking about can be found on The Works bootleg. Anyways, my question is basically...Can anyone tell me anymore about this version? It sounds so much better than the SOT version...Why was it not used on the record? And how does it play into the whole unreleased Dream Factory & Crystal Ball configurations? The Dream Factory bootleg I've heard has the SOT version of Starfish & Coffee. Was this alternate Starfish & Coffee version supposed to be on the unreleased Crystal Ball ? Just asking cuz I think this version is so much better and I'm trying to find out more about it. Thanks in advance guys. [Edited 7/13/07 15:05pm] | |
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there is a Starfish and Coffee from 1995, though the recording I have of it runs 3:17. this message brought to you by logic. | |
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I think the differences between the circulating 'out-take' and SOTT versions are minimal, if any. I dunno, from memory it might be a slightly different mix or something, but that's all - they're the same length aren't they?
The sound quality might vary between a bootleg that might've been tweaked and SOTT on CD, which is kinda dull and flat. You can find the various DF and CB tracklists here: http://www.prince.org/msg/7/116565 [Edited 7/13/07 16:17pm] | |
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dumbass said: there is a Starfish and Coffee from 1995, though the recording I have of it runs 3:17.
Yeah I have 2 versions of it...one is 3:18 and the other 3:21 so I think you know which one I'm talking about. I had no idea it was from '95 though.....any more info about that? | |
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NouveauDance said: I think the differences between the circulating 'out-take' and SOTT versions are minimal, if any. I dunno, from memory it might be a slightly different mix or something, but that's all - they're the same length aren't they?
The sound quality might vary between a bootleg that might've been tweaked and SOTT on CD, which is kinda dull and flat. You can find the various DF and CB tracklists here: http://www.prince.org/msg/7/116565 [Edited 7/13/07 16:17pm] No the one I'm talking about is substantially different. It sounds the same at the beginning but it has a substantially different arrangement, especially towards the end....Like the part that goes "Cynthia had a happy face, just like the one she'd draw..." [Edited 7/13/07 17:26pm] | |
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dumbass said: there is a Starfish and Coffee from 1995, though the recording I have of it runs 3:17.
Just checked and the one I'm talking about IS that one, it just has a few more seconds of silence at the end. [Edited 7/13/07 17:27pm] | |
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emilio319 said: dumbass said: there is a Starfish and Coffee from 1995, though the recording I have of it runs 3:17.
Just checked and the one I'm talking about IS that one, it just has a few more seconds of silence at the end. [Edited 7/13/07 17:27pm] he re-recorded it for the Muppet Tonight show he was on in 1996. well, he did it on that show anyway, he might have recorded it before that (since it's labeled 1995) perhaps he rerecorded it as part of that whole rerecording his entire catalogue thingie he was up to back then. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said: emilio319 said: Just checked and the one I'm talking about IS that one, it just has a few more seconds of silence at the end. [Edited 7/13/07 17:27pm] he re-recorded it for the Muppet Tonight show he was on in 1996. well, he did it on that show anyway, he might have recorded it before that (since it's labeled 1995) perhaps he rerecorded it as part of that whole rerecording his entire catalogue thingie he was up to back then. Well, that sure explains it....Well I gotta say the 95 version smokes the Sign O The Times version! I had no idea it was from 95. I was thinking it was a version done by him and the Revolution that didn't make the final cut for some reason. | |
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emilio319 said: Well, that sure explains it....Well I gotta say the 95 version smokes the Sign O The Times version! I had no idea it was from 95. I was thinking it was a version done by him and the Revolution that didn't make the final cut for some reason.[/color][/quote]
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emesem said:
so wrong I respect your opinion and I usually think the original versions of all songs are the best but can you explain why you prefer the original. I really am curious. The 95 version adds so much more to it. The SOT version sound plain in comparison. I still dig it, I'm just saying it seems like the 95 version sounds so much more interesting. | |
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BTW, can anyone tell me what he performed on the Muppet's Show? And was it with a band or just lip sync? Thanks. | |
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emilio319 said: emesem said:
so wrong I respect your opinion and I usually think the original versions of all songs are the best but can you explain why you prefer the original. I really am curious. The 95 version adds so much more to it. The SOT version sound plain in comparison. I still dig it, I'm just saying it seems like the 95 version sounds so much more interesting. The original sounds more organic, breaths more. the later one suffers from most of the problems Prince had in the 90s going forward. Overproduced, overcompressed, overdubbed. The synth doesnt fit in the song and I dont hear Susanna on the back ups. The break is ridiculous. | |
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emesem said: emilio319 said: I respect your opinion and I usually think the original versions of all songs are the best but can you explain why you prefer the original. I really am curious. The 95 version adds so much more to it. The SOT version sound plain in comparison. I still dig it, I'm just saying it seems like the 95 version sounds so much more interesting. The original sounds more organic, breaths more. the later one suffers from most of the problems Prince had in the 90s going forward. Overproduced, overcompressed, overdubbed. The synth doesnt fit in the song and I dont hear Susanna on the back ups. The break is ridiculous. Now I understand where you are coming from. Still prefer the 95 version but different strokes for different folks.  | |
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emilio319 said: BTW, can anyone tell me what he performed on the Muppet's Show? And was it with a band or just lip sync? Thanks.
The show was first broadcast in May, 1997. Uptown's 'The Vault' suggests that the show is believed to have been recorded in Spetember 1996. Music written by Prince that features on the episode - all pre-recorded / lip-synched: 1. 'Delirious' performed by various Muppets 2. 'Starfish and Coffee' (version recorded in 1995) 3. 'Raspberry Sorbet': joke parady on 'Raspberry Beret' (two lines from chorus) 4. 'She Gave Her Angels' (later released on Crystal Ball) 5. 'Let's Go Crazy' (chorus with Muppets) . [Edited 7/14/07 0:38am] ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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langebleu said: emilio319 said: BTW, can anyone tell me what he performed on the Muppet's Show? And was it with a band or just lip sync? Thanks.
The show was first broadcast in May, 1997. Uptown's 'The Vault' suggests that the show is believed to have been recorded in Spetember 1996. Music written by Prince that features on the episode - all pre-recorded / lip-synched: 1. 'Delirious' performed by various Muppets 2. 'Starfish and Coffee' (version recorded in 1995) 3. 'Raspberry Sorbet': joke parady on 'Raspberry Beret' (two lines from chorus) 4. 'She Gave Her Angels' (later released on Crystal Ball) 5. 'Let's Go Crazy' (chorus with Muppets) . [Edited 7/14/07 0:38am] Thank you very much for answering my question. One of these days, I need to get my hands on "The Vault." | |
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