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Reply #30 posted 07/14/07 3:34pm

RUHip2TheJive

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sexxydancer said:

What about "Baby,I R,I'm a star?" I R?? lol

It's obviously grammatically incorrect, but it doesn't bother me, because it was obviously done on purpose.
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Reply #31 posted 07/14/07 4:17pm

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If I Was Your Girlfriend

I don't know if the title would work written correctly.

If I Were Your Girlfriend

Honestly, there are grammatical errors throughout music. Music isn't graded for grammar.



So what are the GRAMMY'S for then?
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Reply #32 posted 07/14/07 4:20pm

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you were not put on this planet to think.
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Reply #33 posted 07/14/07 4:21pm

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HousequakeComSucks said:

jbchavez said:

If I Was Your Girlfriend

I don't know if the title would work written correctly.

If I Were Your Girlfriend

Honestly, there are grammatical errors throughout music. Music isn't graded for grammar.



So what are the GRAMMY'S for then?

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Reply #34 posted 07/14/07 5:44pm

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One thing I hate in general is when people don't say "between you and I'..... that is just wrong... although fewer and fewer people are aware and one day it will probaby be deemed "acceptable". the only excuse in song to do it is for rhyming purposes. but there's a Whitney song, i can't think of now, where they say that and it doesnt' even rhyme....im like "you could've said you and "ME" and it would've been just as good.


"Between you and I" is incorrect. Was that you meant to say? You said you hate when they don't say that.
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Reply #35 posted 07/14/07 5:58pm

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coolcat said:

GaryMF said:


One thing I hate in general is when people don't say "between you and I'..... that is just wrong... although fewer and fewer people are aware and one day it will probaby be deemed "acceptable". the only excuse in song to do it is for rhyming purposes. but there's a Whitney song, i can't think of now, where they say that and it doesnt' even rhyme....im like "you could've said you and "ME" and it would've been just as good.


"Between you and I" is incorrect. Was that you meant to say? You said you hate when they don't say that.
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lol I was just about to ask the same question, out of sheer curiousity.

Also, what is so wrong about "me and you" ? Should it rather be "you and me" , is that the problem, or " I and you "? ( Which is wrong, as far as I know ). Or is the most correct form " You and I " ?
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Reply #36 posted 07/14/07 6:10pm

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somewhere in that song 'Something in the Water'.. Prince says 'Don't Not Compute' (2 negatives).. listen to it.. u'll hear it.. oh and I love his grammar wink
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Reply #37 posted 07/14/07 7:08pm

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RUHip2TheJive said:

sexxydancer said:

What about "Baby,I R,I'm a star?" I R?? lol

It's obviously grammatically incorrect, but it doesn't bother me, because it was obviously done on purpose.
Doesn't bother me either.As a matter of fact,I think it's cool.Just responding 2 the thread question,that's all. wink
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Reply #38 posted 07/14/07 7:33pm

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Flowerz said:

somewhere in that song 'Something in the Water'.. Prince says 'Don't Not Compute' (2 negatives).. listen to it.. u'll hear it.. oh and I love his grammar wink
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yeah don't it just roll off ya tongue biggrin
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Reply #39 posted 07/14/07 9:16pm

coolcat

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coolcat said:



"Between you and I" is incorrect. Was that you meant to say? You said you hate when they don't say that.
[Edited 7/14/07 17:46pm]




lol I was just about to ask the same question, out of sheer curiousity.

Also, what is so wrong about "me and you" ? Should it rather be "you and me" , is that the problem, or " I and you "? ( Which is wrong, as far as I know ). Or is the most correct form " You and I " ?


smile me should be used when it's an object...

For example:

"He bought the car for you and me". ('you and I' and 'I and you' would be wrong here... But I think you can also say 'me and you')

But "I" should be used when it's a subject...

For example:

"You and I should go out sometime." ('you and me' and 'me and you' would be wrong here... I'm not sure about 'I and you'... it sounds strange)

hmmm
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Reply #40 posted 07/14/07 11:57pm

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nothing bugs me more than when i hear "for you and I" like Mayte in the 3 chains of gold.

ugh. i HATE it when i hear supposedly, or otherwise, educated people use 'I' rather than 'me' as in "for you and I" when 'I' there is the object of the preposition, or in other expressions when it should be "me" (dative and accusative case).

If I 'Was Your Girlfiend' should be if 'I Were Your Girlfriend.'
But the subjunctive case is being increasingly lost on English speakers. sad

Not that I think should have named his song differently. Was is better than Were here. As art. Music is not a grammar lesson with Shakespearean orators.
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Reply #41 posted 07/15/07 12:14am

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Reply #42 posted 07/15/07 12:34am

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KoolEaze said:

BobGeorge909 said:

I'm sure if he write a letter in regular english/prose, it would look and sound fine.

His songs are written in verse. Since when did verse follow the conventions of everyday speech?

lol Yeah, you´re right but then again it was Prince himself who corrected someone in 1988 while performing Still Would Stand All Time lol

"Who´s the fool singing will ? It´s would...!"


Was he performing with somebody or was he alone?
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Reply #43 posted 07/15/07 12:44am

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Wuz up wit da gramma lessons I could have stayed in school fo dis! razz biggrin
surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
I ain't felt this way in years...
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Reply #44 posted 07/15/07 2:15am

Rockability

Okay grammar freaks.

"If I was your girlfriend"

vs

"If I were your girlfriend"

were: Second person singular and plural and first and third person plural past indicative of be.


were is plural form. Think about it. "If I were going to the store"

"I was going to the store"

"I were going to the store"

"I was the king of the world" RIGHT

"I were the king of the world" WRONG

Hence:

"I was your girlfriend"

vs.

"I were your girlfriend" You really think IF changes everything. FOOLS!
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Reply #45 posted 07/15/07 8:04am

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I'm a stickler for grammar usualy, but I think there's a difference between using spoken-colloquial forms (like "me and you" for example) or slang-dialectical patterns (i.e. ain't/no type forms which are very common especially in African-American dialects)..... and using plain old bad grammar "baby but I R
".

Actually "ain't" is a term used quite a lot in White-American southern societies as well. All cultures have various slang-dialects. In the Caribbean "broken English among Black and White Caribbeans are considered normal, everyday slang-dialect. Take for example "I don't know" you will hear "me tain know". Often words used with "th" are pronounced without the "h". My mother always says the number "three" like "tree" or "thank you" like "tank you"...and I tease her all the time, but lovingly of course..lol Broken English in the Caribbean is used by those most educated. but don't be fooled, they use proper grammar or English when necessary. I believe we all do it, no biggy. But GaryF, since you're a stickler for grammar, going to various parts of the caribbean and just listening to the slang-dialect pattern would probably drive you up the wall. lol lol
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Reply #46 posted 07/15/07 9:36am

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coolcat said:

GaryMF said:


One thing I hate in general is when people don't say "between you and I'..... that is just wrong... although fewer and fewer people are aware and one day it will probaby be deemed "acceptable". the only excuse in song to do it is for rhyming purposes. but there's a Whitney song, i can't think of now, where they say that and it doesnt' even rhyme....im like "you could've said you and "ME" and it would've been just as good.


"Between you and I" is incorrect. Was that you meant to say? You said you hate when they don't say that.
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SORRY BUT YOUR MISTAKEN.
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Reply #47 posted 07/15/07 9:39am

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HousequakeComSucks said:[quote]

coolcat said:


SORRY BUT YOUR MISTAKEN.


I hope that was intentional, given the nature of this thread; otherwise, I am sorry, but you're mistaken.
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Reply #48 posted 07/15/07 8:21pm

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HousequakeComSucks said:

coolcat said:



"Between you and I" is incorrect. Was that you meant to say? You said you hate when they don't say that.
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SORRY BUT YOUR MISTAKEN.

OMG! I am embarrassed now! you are right... the "don't" was a typo.

I meant that I hate when people say "between you and I", becaues that is incorrect. As someone pointed out above, the correct form is "between you and ME".
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Reply #49 posted 07/15/07 8:23pm

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Rockability said:

Okay grammar freaks.

"If I was your girlfriend"

vs

"If I were your girlfriend"

were: Second person singular and plural and first and third person plural past indicative of be.


were is plural form. Think about it. "If I were going to the store"

"I was going to the store"

"I were going to the store"

"I was the king of the world" RIGHT

"I were the king of the world" WRONG

Hence:

"I was your girlfriend"

vs.

"I were your girlfriend" You really think IF changes everything. FOOLS!
[Edited 7/15/07 2:18am]


Actually, you forgot one thing above.

"Were" is also the SUBJUNCTIVE form of was.

The Subjunctive is appropriate when referring to a hypothetical situation or a wish.

So the correct grammar for this song is 'If I WERE your girlfriend."

Don't agree? Look it up.
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Reply #50 posted 07/15/07 8:31pm

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2elijah said:

GaryMF said:
I'm a stickler for grammar usualy, but I think there's a difference between using spoken-colloquial forms (like "me and you" for example) or slang-dialectical patterns (i.e. ain't/no type forms which are very common especially in African-American dialects)..... and using plain old bad grammar "baby but I R
".

Actually "ain't" is a term used quite a lot in White-American southern societies as well. All cultures have various slang-dialects. In the Caribbean "broken English among Black and White Caribbeans are considered normal, everyday slang-dialect. Take for example "I don't know" you will hear "me tain know". Often words used with "th" are pronounced without the "h". My mother always says the number "three" like "tree" or "thank you" like "tank you"...and I tease her all the time, but lovingly of course..lol Broken English in the Caribbean is used by those most educated. but don't be fooled, they use proper grammar or English when necessary. I believe we all do it, no biggy. But GaryF, since you're a stickler for grammar, going to various parts of the caribbean and just listening to the slang-dialect pattern would probably drive you up the wall. lol lol
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Actually I would find it really interesting to hear and learn about the Caribbean slang/dialect!!! I'm very interested in how languages and dialects form etc.

re: Ain't/no ....yeah I had a feeling that it's also very Southern (and I know it's not exclusively African American....I think some British dialects use it too) but I'm most familiar with it in terms of African American usage in terms of my actual experience (I haven't spent much time in the South so I didn't want to speak to that)

And while I'm a "stickler," I also respect dialectical forms. Which is why I think it's cool for Prince or other pop songs to use slang/dialect (i.e. "Ain't Nobody" etc. one of my favorite songs!). Moreover, in a sense there are still "rules" to it, albeit informal.... for example you wouldn't say "I Ain't got SOME"; you'd say I ain't gone NONE".

But just plain old incorrect, sloppy usage like "Between you and I" or inane usages like "I R" do annoy me! smile
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Reply #51 posted 07/16/07 6:02am

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GaryMF said:

2elijah said:

GaryMF said:
".

Actually "ain't" is a term used quite a lot in White-American southern societies as well. All cultures have various slang-dialects. In the Caribbean "broken English among Black and White Caribbeans are considered normal, everyday slang-dialect. Take for example "I don't know" you will hear "me tain know". Often words used with "th" are pronounced without the "h". My mother always says the number "three" like "tree" or "thank you" like "tank you"...and I tease her all the time, but lovingly of course..lol Broken English in the Caribbean is used by those most educated. but don't be fooled, they use proper grammar or English when necessary. I believe we all do it, no biggy. But GaryF, since you're a stickler for grammar, going to various parts of the caribbean and just listening to the slang-dialect pattern would probably drive you up the wall. lol lol
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Actually I would find it really interesting to hear and learn about the Caribbean slang/dialect!!! I'm very interested in how languages and dialects form etc.

re: Ain't/no ....yeah I had a feeling that it's also very Southern (and I know it's not exclusively African American....I think some British dialects use it too) but I'm most familiar with it in terms of African American usage in terms of my actual experience (I haven't spent much time in the South so I didn't want to speak to that)

And while I'm a "stickler," I also respect dialectical forms. Which is why I think it's cool for Prince or other pop songs to use slang/dialect (i.e. "Ain't Nobody" etc. one of my favorite songs!). Moreover, in a sense there are still "rules" to it, albeit informal.... for example you wouldn't say "I Ain't got SOME"; you'd say I ain't gone NONE".

But just plain old incorrect, sloppy usage like "Between you and I" or inane usages like "I R" do annoy me! smile
[Edited 7/15/07 20:33pm]



Yeah... i live in what's considered the south, (i don't really think of it as southern, though), and people use "ain't" all the time...
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Reply #52 posted 07/16/07 8:20am

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KoolEaze said:

BobGeorge909 said:

I'm sure if he write a letter in regular english/prose, it would look and sound fine.

His songs are written in verse. Since when did verse follow the conventions of everyday speech?

lol Yeah, you´re right but then again it was Prince himself who corrected someone in 1988 while performing Still Would Stand All Time lol

"Who´s the fool singing will ? It´s would...!"


HE IS PRINCE,IF HE SAYS ITS WOULD ,THEN GOD DAMMIT ITS BLOODY WOULD.
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Reply #53 posted 07/16/07 8:21am

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All that glitters ain't gold

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All that glisters is not gold


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Reply #54 posted 07/17/07 10:15pm

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A friend of mine didn't want me to miss this thread because she knows how I feel about poor English. lol
Just to add my two cents, I rarely bother about The grammar in a song, whether it's Prince or someone else. Personally, I just think we can allow some leeway there. I do, however, have two pet peeves. One is mentioned several times already. That's the use of "I" when it should be "me" and I see it written and hear it so much on television that I fear that someday it's going to be accepted. It truly grates on my ears! The other is not grammer; it's punctuation, but I just gotta say it. It's the use of apostrophes where they don't belong as in the word it's when it should be its or in pluralizing something like a name, say The Smith's when it should be The Smiths.
OK, That felt good! Now I'm finished. I think we're worrying unnecessarily about Prince's grammar. We're supposed to get the message. He's only used ONE word that bothered me and I'm not going to say it again. wink
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Reply #55 posted 07/18/07 8:27am

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NewPowerSista said:

A friend of mine didn't want me to miss this thread because she knows how I feel about poor English. lol
Just to add my two cents, I rarely bother about The grammar in a song, whether it's Prince or someone else. Personally, I just think we can allow some leeway there. I do, however, have two pet peeves. One is mentioned several times already. That's the use of "I" when it should be "me" and I see it written and hear it so much on television that I fear that someday it's going to be accepted. It truly grates on my ears! The other is not grammer; it's punctuation, but I just gotta say it. It's the use of apostrophes where they don't belong as in the word it's when it should be its or in pluralizing something like a name, say The Smith's when it should be The Smiths.
OK, That felt good! Now I'm finished. I think we're worrying unnecessarily about Prince's grammar. We're supposed to get the message. He's only used ONE word that bothered me and I'm not going to say it again. wink

You and I are on the same page !smile

The crazy thing, is that technically, when someone asks "Who is it?" one is supposed to answer: "It is I!" Now, I have to admit, even I don't do that...that would be too nerdy! smile I remember back in school I think the grammar books even said that "it's me" is now considered "accepted usage." (I do however on the phone when they ask "Is this Gary?" say "This is HE" which is correct.)

The sad thing, as you point out, is that given that newscasters and politicians regularly say things like "between you and I", it probably will become accepted, which really annoys me.

Like "drive safe!" or "buy direct" (I hope people on here realize why these are incorrect!). I always wanted to start a campaign to promote the usage of adverbs!!!

But I agree, that in song/poetry, one is allowed to deviate (hence the term "poetic license").
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