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Printableskywalker said: Why do you think Prince's 80's output is so revered now, but when much of that music was released it received mixed reviews from both critics and fans? This is another devious argument. Did absolutely everyone love every album Prince made in the 80s? Of course not. Was every review glowing? Of course not. However he was without question the most critically acclaimed artist of that decade. No one had the word genius attached to their name as much as Prince did. Furthermore, there were at least two albums that decade that were universally acclaimed as masterpieces immediately upon their release, SOTT and PR. Still generally regarded as his best albums. Most of the rest also got ecstatic reviews. Where some fans and reviewers were critical it was usually when he went in directions that baffled them personally. However, they never questioned his talent. They just didn't like what he was doing with it. The critcism now is a different one. People just don't think he's got it anymore. And that's not a criticism restricted to just an album here or there. It's been an ongoing one now for years. Bottom line: My "invented reason" just as legit as your dubious claim that "the 80's were better because the just were"...[/b]
You're now deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I never said "the 80s were better because they just were". I said "If they think his music was better in the 80s it may just be because it simply was", in response to your suggestion that people had hidden motives for preferring his 80s output. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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This is another devious argument. Did absolutely everyone love every album Prince made in the 80s? Of course not. Was every review glowing? Of course not. However he was without question the most critically acclaimed artist of that decade. No one had the word genius attached to their name as much as Prince did. Furthermore, there were at least two albums that decade that were universally acclaimed as masterpieces immediately upon their release, SOTT and PR. Still generally regarded as his best albums. Most of the rest also got ecstatic reviews. Where some fans and reviewers were critical it was usually when he went in directions that baffled them personally. However, they never questioned his talent. They just didn't like what he was doing with it. The critcism now is a different one. People just don't think he's got it anymore. And that's not a criticism restricted to just an album here or there. It's been an ongoing one now for years. 1. No one questions Prince's talent--not back then-not now. 2. There have been some people have been saying that Prince "hasn't got it" since at least 1985 when it comes to his albums. You seem to forget a HUGE section of the population thinks/thought that Prince fell off after Purple Rain. This is what I mean by "rose tinted glasses" the 80's wasn't all sunshine for Prince or Prince fandom--especially in the late 80's. It was rough until Batman happened. 3. What criticism can you level at Prince's music that hasn't been said since 1991? I mean it's the same thing that keeps being said-yet Prince's career is stellar right now. You're now deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I never said "the 80s were better because they just were". I said "If they think his music was better in the 80s it may just be because it simply was", I am sorry I misquoted you, but what's the difference? [Edited 7/12/07 14:37pm] "New Power slide...." |
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midnightmover said: Furthermore, there were at least two albums that decade that were universally acclaimed as masterpieces immediately upon their release, SOTT and PR.
SOTT wasn't universally acclaimed at the time. There were several major reviews that were less than blown away. what's funny is that Kurt Loder's review of SOTT reads alot some of the complaints in this thread 20 years later. "Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?" "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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ElCapitan said: midnightmover said: Furthermore, there were at least two albums that decade that were universally acclaimed as masterpieces immediately upon their release, SOTT and PR.
SOTT wasn't universally acclaimed at the time. There were several major reviews that were less than blown away. what's funny is that Kurt Loder's review of SOTT reads alot some of the complaints in this thread 20 years later. "Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?" Exactly right. "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: How is their quite articulate post and valid opinion "wrecking the orbit of their entire prince world"? Your post comes across as more of a knee jerk reaction that that the original poster. Re-read my statement. I said that "the newest (Prince) album is wrecking ther orbit of their entire Prince world". How many times have we heard from fans that that Prince has "lost it" and "doesn't make them feel like 198whatever"? We hear it a lot. It has been the thing to say after a new Prince album-aka an kneejerk reaction-for a long time now. The funny thing is that people pretend that they were instantly in love with "classics" like Around the World in a Day and Lovesexy, when they actually pretty devisive albums when they 1st came out. Skywalker, I'm going to have to disagree that my original post is a "knee-jerk" reaction that could've been said about Prince at any time since 1991. My point (and opinion) is that Prince is no longer interested in doing new and interesting things in the studio; he is now primarily focused on being a live musician. No, I'm not questioning his talent or ability. My point and opinion could not have been made in 1991, or any year subsequent through 2001. As much as I personally didn't like The Rainbow Children -- it was clear he was going for a very unique sound and put much effort into producing a record that had this sound. He did the same with Exodus, Gold, Come, even C&D. All showed a very deliberate effort to produce songs that had a particular sound as studio songs. I have no seen that effort in Musicology, 3121, or what I've heard from PE. So this is not a knee-jerk reaction but one based solely on the last THREE albums. No, I don't want the 80's stuff back. No, I don't want prince to make the same type of music as he did in 1988, yes I think it's wonderful being a Prince fan because you don't know what you will get -- but my point is that is seems prince has not shown excitement/motivation in his studio albums and has instead focused his energy and talents in live music and concerts; both lacking in innovation. | |
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skywalker said: How is their quite articulate post and valid opinion "wrecking the orbit of their entire prince world"? Your post comes across as more of a knee jerk reaction that that the original poster. Re-read my statement. I said that "the newest (Prince) album is wrecking ther orbit of their entire Prince world". How many times have we heard from fans that that Prince has "lost it" and "doesn't make them feel like 198whatever"? We hear it a lot. It has been the thing to say after a new Prince album-aka an kneejerk reaction-for a long time now. The funny thing is that people pretend that they were instantly in love with "classics" like Around the World in a Day and Lovesexy, when they actually pretty devisive albums when they 1st came out. | |
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Skywalker,
I'm going to have to disagree that my original post is a "knee-jerk" reaction that could've been said about Prince at any time since 1991. My point (and opinion) is that Prince is no longer interested in doing new and interesting things in the studio; he is now primarily focused on being a live musician. No, I'm not questioning his talent or ability. My point and opinion could not have been made in 1991, or any year subsequent through 2001. As much as I personally didn't like The Rainbow Children -- it was clear he was going for a very unique sound and put much effort into producing a record that had this sound. He did the same with Exodus, Gold, Come, even C&D. All showed a very deliberate effort to produce songs that had a particular sound as studio songs. I have no seen that effort in Musicology, 3121, or what I've heard from PE. So this is not a knee-jerk reaction but one based solely on the last THREE albums. No, I don't want the 80's stuff back. No, I don't want prince to make the same type of music as he did in 1988, yes I think it's wonderful being a Prince fan because you don't know what you will get -- but my point is that is seems prince has not shown excitement/motivation in his studio albums and has instead focused his energy and talents in live music and concerts; both lacking in innovation. | |
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skywalker said: 1. No one questions Prince's talent--not back then-not now. When it comes to songwriting and delivering in the studio nowadays I'm afraid they do. They don't think he's got his mojo anymore, and that viewpoint is longstanding. 2. There have been some people have been saying that Prince "hasn't got it" since at least 1985 when it comes to his albums. You seem to forget a HUGE section of the population thinks/thought that Prince fell off after Purple Rain. The only people who thought that were the people who bought PR because it was flavour of the month and never bought anything else by him. The only person around here I've ever heard express that view is vainandy, and that's because he thinks Prince deserted the robotic funk, not because he thought Prince lost his mojo which is what people think now.
This is what I mean by "rose tinted glasses" the 80's wasn't all sunshine for Prince or Prince fandom--especially in the late 80's. It was rough until Batman happened. You are now talking about record sales which is irrelevant to this conversation. Artistically Prince was in great shape until Batman.3. What criticism can you level at Prince's music that hasn't been said since 1991? I mean it's the same thing that keeps being said-yet Prince's career is stellar right now. I think the date you're looking for is 1989. From then on his output was patchy but still frequently briliant. From 98 onwards it's been a washout for the most part. I too don't really understand why people seem so disappointed with PE as he's been on the skids artistically for a while now.
You're now deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I never said "the 80s were better because they just were". I said "If they think his music was better in the 80s it may just be because it simply was", I am sorry I misquoted you, but what's the difference? [Edited 7/12/07 17:35pm] [Edited 7/12/07 17:37pm] [b][Edited 7/12/07 17:42pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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ElCapitan said: midnightmover said: Furthermore, there were at least two albums that decade that were universally acclaimed as masterpieces immediately upon their release, SOTT and PR.
SOTT wasn't universally acclaimed at the time. There were several major reviews that were less than blown away. what's funny is that Kurt Loder's review of SOTT reads alot some of the complaints in this thread 20 years later. "Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?" I remember that review but I'm sure you must be aware that his review was seriously going against the grain. There's probably no album ever released that hasn't got some bad notices, but I think most will recall SOTT was praised to high heavens by the overwheming majority. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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ElCapitan said: midnightmover said: Furthermore, there were at least two albums that decade that were universally acclaimed as masterpieces immediately upon their release, SOTT and PR.
SOTT wasn't universally acclaimed at the time. There were several major reviews that were less than blown away. what's funny is that Kurt Loder's review of SOTT reads alot some of the complaints in this thread 20 years later. "Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?" So Loder compared SOTT to a biblical miracle, then said it's not enough? Yep, that definitely sounds like the mindset of today's Prince fans  | |
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Jatrig said: Well, after hearing the PE tracks - it is sadly apparent: Prince has decided to become (or fell into becoming) merely a live musician -- albeit one of the best live musicians of today.
No longer does Prince seem to care about creating quality, complex, interesting, and simply well produced songs. Now, it's all about playing live and putting on concerts. It's as if he's putting out PE (and 3121) because he has too, because he's going through the motions (ironic, because this is exactly what he claimed to do in 1995 and 1996). His production is lazy and lame. Point: think about the song "Positivity." Imagine him recording this song in the studio in 2007. We would not hear the interesting beat, the layered guitar, or the complex arrangements. We'd here just a normal drum beat with bland guitar and his regular voice. it would ruin the entire song. Darling Nikki: same thing. That song is good only because of the brilliant production and complex arrangements. Today we have "Lolita" and "Guitar." I shouldn't fault Prince -- he's done it for a while and maybe he just doesn't have the energy/creativity to produce in the studio anymore, maybe he's content on being a great live musician -- nothing wrong with that - but as prince fan it's depressing to see his "comeback" tempered with such lame new output. This is exactlly how I feel about Planet Earth. I tried to listen to it again on the way to work this morning and got about a minute into the opening song and turned on talk radio. I'm not going to get mad...but I think I am finally resigned to the fact that he is incapable of recording a decent studio album. On my lunch break I went to Youtube looked up Fury from SNL and played it 5 times in a row. Such genius, charisma, guitar skills and vocals. We still have that! Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Skywalker,
I'm going to have to disagree that my original post is a "knee-jerk" reaction that could've been said about Prince at any time since 1991. Cool. I am down with a good discussion. My point (and opinion) is that Prince is no longer interested in doing new and interesting things in the studio; he is now primarily focused on being a live musician. 1. How can you even presume to know what Prince is or is not interested in? 2. What is or is not "interesting things in the studio" is a matter of opinion, right? My point and opinion could not have been made in 1991, or any year subsequent through 2001. As much as I personally didn't like The Rainbow Children -- it was clear he was going for a very unique sound and put much effort into producing a record that had this sound. He did the same with Exodus, Gold, Come, even C&D. All showed a very deliberate effort to produce songs that had a particular sound as studio songs. What is interesting is that many fans bemoaned the fact that MUCH of his 90's output was TOO OVERPRODUCED. People claimed that Prince wasn't as loose and free with his production as he had been. Many fans complained that his sound was "too polished". I have no seen that effort in Musicology, 3121, or what I've heard from PE. So this is not a knee-jerk reaction but one based solely on the last THREE albums. See, I felt that these 3 albums seemed refreshing because Prince did seem to ease up a bit and just let things go. They were a bit more sparse and minmal in the production compared to his 90's sound. No, I don't want the 80's stuff back. No, I don't want prince to make the same type of music as he did in 1988, yes I think it's wonderful being a Prince fan because you don't know what you will get -- but my point is that is seems prince has not shown excitement/motivation in his studio albums and has instead focused his energy and talents in live music and concerts; both lacking in innovation.
Point taken. I am sorry you feel that way--I don't. I feel that Prince is very much business as usual. Not breaking vast new ground, but still doing his own unique thing. Both in the studio and live. "New Power slide...." |
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When it comes to songwriting and delivering in the studio nowadays I'm afraid they do. They don't think he's got his mojo anymore, and that viewpoint is longstanding. Well, I guess we are going to have to define who "they" are. If you mean you and your friends--perhaps your right. See, back in 2004 most the USA rediscovered Prince and he has a so called "comeback". He had the year's most successful tour and he has since been riding a wave of popularity that he had not seen since at least 1991. Superbowl, Musicology, 3121, Vegas, The Roosevelt, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, 7/7/7 in MPLS: The general consensus has NOT been that "Prince has lost it". People were/are still amazed at his talent. The general consensus is that "Prince is back". The only people who thought that were the people who bought PR because it was flavour of the month and never bought anything else by him. The only person around here I've ever heard express that view is vainandy, and that's because he thinks Prince deserted the robotic funk, not because he thought Prince lost his mojo which is what people think now. Again--What people? The general public? Certainly not--they are having a Prince renaissance and have been since '04. Critics? You mean the some gave SOTT bad reviews? The ones who praise Rave, but shat on The Rainbow Children? All those folks in London who bought scores of tickets to see Prince ? You and your friends? Who? You are now talking about record sales which is irrelevant to this conversation. Artistically Prince was in great shape until Batman. It's not irrelevant. You were talking about what "most people think". Are record sales not an indicator of "what people think"? What is? Don't tell me the critics--they called Lovesexy a flop. I think the date you're looking for is 1989. From then on his output was patchy but still frequently briliant. From 98 onwards it's been a washout for the most part. I too don't really understand why people seem so disappointed with PE as he's been on the skids artistically for a while now. According to you. Who else are you speaking for? Interesting to note that even here when you quote me you deliberately edited my words to try and obscure the context and meaning. Tiresome.
Tiresome is you trying to quabble about technicalities rather than try to back up your faulty claim. Tell you what: You say your quote perfectly word for word--and then try to back it up. Cool? [Edited 7/12/07 20:08pm] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: jacobpb said: It's too bad you frame your entire argument on my amount of listening to the album? Then you say I haven't heard the album..haha. You're not reading. Lazily negative? Negative to soft types I guess. I call it constructive criticism. [Keep it civil snip - luv4u] I stand by everything I've said, you want to frame this about me like so many others on here when you read something you can't digest, like the huge argument how many years Prince will perform??? [Keep it civil snip - luv4u] Wow. Did I hurt your feelings? I honestly didn't mean to. You got really personal really quickly. I apologize if you felt like I was attacking you. I am not going to argue with you on the strategies/ethics of arguing in a fan forum. 1. I stand by my claim that it is lazy to give us an album review without hearing the album. Furthermore, it is cynical to give us a negative review and suggest a career overhall based on hearing samples of an album. If you don't like what you are hearing so far: Why not just say that? Why the huge post on what Prince should/shouldn't do based on hearing snippets of songs? 2. You made the claim that Prince probably doesn't have many years of performing without any basis. Plenty of musicians have performed until they were much older than Prince and/or dead. I think your claim is faulty-that's all. Again, I am sorry if I offended you. Perhaps, I shouldn't of made the crack about predicting the future? I am not sure when I made other personal insults... Actually ethics are very much a part of a debate. Re-read my post. You chose not to. You chose to parse words. I did not state I've ONLY HEARD SNIPPETS OF EACH SONG. Re-read the post. You choose to assume or outright lie saying I HAVEN'T HEARD THE SONGS in an effort to destroy to my credibility. The arguments have been stated and are just as valid as anybody. Where are yours? Tell me: what is the theme/concept of this album? Prince performing, I stated he won't be much longer, that's based on a probablity guess, 10 yrs max. Hopefully not, but call me crazy, folks get old. Maybe he'll zoom around in a wheelchair. It's not even worth debating. Likewise, apparently Prince can bring in the Francisican Monk Choir or the Polka Club with this tracklist, and it's okay. All I'm arguing for is ORIGINALITY, CONTINUITY. | |
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Actually ethics are very much a part of a debate. Is that why they shut down this thread for awhile and edited your comments towards me? Re-read my post. You chose not to. You chose to parse words. I did not state I've ONLY HEARD SNIPPETS OF EACH SONG. Quote you: "...From just the snippets/songs I've heard, half the album doesn't fit, and some of the Wendy/Lisa input songs I'm cringing. THE ONE U WANNA C, PLANET EARTH, SOMEWHERE HERE ON EARTH, okay, sounds somewhat interesting. CHELSEA RODGERS, FUTURE BABY MAMA, okay, decent, but why such a sharp contrast in relation to the other stuff?.."
Had you, or had you not heard the entire album when you 1st posted? If you have, and I misread--I apologize. To me, it sounded like you were giving a critique based on hearing a few Planet Earth tracks and snippets of the rest. That's what I was calling you on. Again, if you had/have heard the entire album--I apologize. Just let me know--did you hear the ENTIRE album before giving your opinion? Where are yours? I haven't heard the entire album--just "Guitar" "Future Baby Mama" and snippets of the rest. I'll send you my thoughts when I can hear the entire album so as not to snap to any judgments... Tell me: what is the theme/concept of this album? Again, I have not heard it. I cannot really talk about the album with any expertise or honesty until I hear the whole thing. Prince performing, I stated he won't be much longer, that's based on a probablity guess, 10 yrs max. Hopefully not, but call me crazy, folks get old. Maybe he'll zoom around in a wheelchair. It's not even worth debating.
If it's not worth debating why get into it with me? I just wanna know why you think 10 years? Did someone close to Prince tell you something? What are you basing this info on? Anything? Mick Jagger? James Brown? [Edited 7/12/07 20:22pm] "New Power slide...." |
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just heard planet earth, and he is just a live guy and that's OK. Chelsea R. will be sooooo funky live. he's earned this semi retirement and he truly enjoys tearing the house down, good for him. i wont miss the great records because he left so much to enjoy as well as an extensive unreleased body of work.he did enough creatively from 80-89 to cement his place as a "recorded" genuis now in his dottage he's cementing his legacy as the greatest live performer of our time. he's like that fighter that u know wont be champ again yet if he's anywhere near your town (even as a shell of himself) you make it your business to go. | |
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The new cd is not even mediocre. 3121 and Musicology were mediocre and still enjoyable to the average listener. Planet Earth requires absolute dedication to Prince for one to enjoy it. The lyrics are very amateurish and the musical arrangements are not interesting at all. The songs are not rock enough for rock radio, not upbeat enough (excluding Chelsea Rodgers) for dance radio, and not fun enough for top 40.
When I heard this record today, my initial reaction was this is a man who's given up caring about his new music and is only interested in playing live. After listening a few more times, I realized Prince hasn't given up caring. He's just old and out of touch. He doesn't work with current producers and musicians and he's stuck in his own musical world. There's no inspiration and too much ego...that makes for a great live performer but not a very interesting creator of new music. More of the same, with less interest in branching out. | |
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PapaSmurf said: The new cd is not even mediocre. 3121 and Musicology were mediocre and still enjoyable to the average listener. Planet Earth requires absolute dedication to Prince for one to enjoy it. The lyrics are very amateurish and the musical arrangements are not interesting at all. The songs are not rock enough for rock radio, not upbeat enough (excluding Chelsea Rodgers) for dance radio, and not fun enough for top 40.
When I heard this record today, my initial reaction was this is a man who's given up caring about his new music and is only interested in playing live. After listening a few more times, I realized Prince hasn't given up caring. He's just old and out of touch. He doesn't work with current producers and musicians and he's stuck in his own musical world. There's no inspiration and too much ego...that makes for a great live performer but not a very interesting creator of new music. More of the same, with less interest in branching out. Agreed. | |
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ego is born of insecurity, i think he has less of it now than ever, he's confirmed now and that removes urgency. when he was young he was more self absorbed, somatic ( does your man have an ass like mine?LOL), insecure and jealous (micheal drove him like the beach boys and stones did the beattles).The smaller parts of being human (or let's for this argument say "young") is experiencing and processing mostly negative emotion. when he was young he objectified and resented his worship of women, thanks to his talent he had a million dollar way of expressing those dark emotions. Even his current divorce wont effect him as it would at 25 yrs. old , imagine this guy getting played at 25? what kind of raw kick ass music it would have produced. No prince is a grown up now and grown ups dont make hot music. However he's honed his craft as a live performer and musician, his mellowed ego even allows him to surround himself with more talented musicians and you can hear it in his shows. He's aslo more fan friendly, a complete departure from the pouty narcissist of the 80's and this enhances the live experience. I have no qualms with PE, neither should anyone here. We should all be looking for our own seminal moment, our own purple rain so to speak. | |
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i would also dare to say he's not the reclusive recording freak he used to be, you see this cat everywhere now. places you didnt imagine he would subscribe to when younger, he's enjoying life. i think he's enjoying living legend status and reaping the rewards of being celebrated as an icon. that too can take you out of the angst and urgency that fueled a lot of his best work. | |
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Cracker Jack psychology ain't gonna get you anywhere. Not all egoists are insecure. In fact, I'd venture my bottom money that most are quite secure. It takes a lot of confidence to be as arrogant as Prince is. No, Prince is still full of ego...I think to be in the biz, you have to be.
Bob Dylan still makes good music. Paul McCartney still makes good music. U2 still makes great music. Madonna still makes good music. There are a lot of people Prince's age and older still making great music. Johnny Cash did right 'til the end. Thing is, these artists all work with other musicians and producers. It keeps things fresh and it keeps you on your toes. It's great that Prince can play every instrument. It's great that he can go into a studio alone and make a complete record. It's great that he knows how to produce himself. That doesn't mean he's benefiting artistically from all this musical solitary confinement; it's musical masturbation in my opinion. Sure, you get the job done, but wouldn't it have been more fun if it included another person's participation? | |
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dreamshaman32 said: i would also dare to say he's not the reclusive recording freak he used to be, you see this cat everywhere now. places you didnt imagine he would subscribe to when younger, he's enjoying life. i think he's enjoying living legend status and reaping the rewards of being celebrated as an icon. that too can take you out of the angst and urgency that fueled a lot of his best work.
He's not being a reclusive guy anymore because that image doesn't work anymore. He has to get out there and be seen and talked about. That's what is keeping him relevant. | |
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ufoclub said: all of prince's albums since Purple Rain revieved mixed reviews. SOTT was most certainly not universally embraced at the time by a lot of people.
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PapaSmurf said: The new cd is not even mediocre. 3121 and Musicology were mediocre and still enjoyable to the average listener. Planet Earth requires absolute dedication to Prince for one to enjoy it. The lyrics are very amateurish and the musical arrangements are not interesting at all. The songs are not rock enough for rock radio, not upbeat enough (excluding Chelsea Rodgers) for dance radio, and not fun enough for top 40.
When I heard this record today, my initial reaction was this is a man who's given up caring about his new music and is only interested in playing live. After listening a few more times, I realized Prince hasn't given up caring. He's just old and out of touch. He doesn't work with current producers and musicians and he's stuck in his own musical world. There's no inspiration and too much ego...that makes for a great live performer but not a very interesting creator of new music. More of the same, with less interest in branching out. what a great post...the thing is we still love dude...but everything you say here is true right down the amaturish lyrics which frankly have been rearing their ugly head since the mid 90s Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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skywalker said: Actually ethics are very much a part of a debate. Is that why they shut down this thread for awhile and edited your comments towards me? Again, I have not heard it. I cannot really talk about the album with any expertise or honesty until I hear the whole thing. Prince performing, I stated he won't be much longer, that's based on a probablity guess, 10 yrs max. Hopefully not, but call me crazy, folks get old. Maybe he'll zoom around in a wheelchair. It's not even worth debating.
If it's not worth debating why get into it with me? I just wanna know why you think 10 years? Did someone close to Prince tell you something? What are you basing this info on? Anything? Mick Jagger? James Brown? [Edited 7/12/07 20:22pm] Great, you got it -- I've heard songs and snippets, correct. The question how many of each and which ones, is it every song or the entire album? Guess what -- I don't answer to you. I reject your premise "you must hear all songs completely to form any opinion". I stand by my assessment, the argument's there. Since you don't have the listening material in front of you, and can't debate what's stated, you pursue to taint and discredit the messenger, because you didn't like what you read. You question my motives. You question my intentions. And then you wonder why people get pissed off?? Spare me the psychoanalysis. Comments similar to any Prince criticism are in the vein of "Well, you just miss your youth of the 80's". This has nothing to do with the messanger, everything to do with the argument stated, usually in the following format for future reference: Statement of thesis A) Supporting Argument 1. Example 2. Example B) Supporting Argument 1. Example 2. Example Etc... Class dismissed. | |
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Am I gonna have to separate you two? | |
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That's our business sugarnipples.
Actually last post. | |
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jacobpb said: That's our business sugarnipples.
Actually last post. What's a sugarnipple? Sounds kind of kinky...in a freaky kind of way!  | |
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